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Qantas Prepares Next Multi-billion Order  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4165 posts, RR: 36
Posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14901 times:

Reports have surfaced citing Mr. Borghetti, Member of the Board of Qantas, that the carrier is set to place another multi-billion order this year and has indicated that the order could comprise a combination of A350s and further A380s. So far only a link in German avaiable:

http://www.faz.net/d/invest/meldung.aspx?id=67268511

Basically not so much new info in here, interesting though that the A350 still appears to be under consideration.


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14862 times:



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Basically not so much new info in here, interesting though that the A350 still appears to be under consideration.

Maybe it's because it's early, but I only saw the a380 mentioned:
""QANTAS - Die australische Fluggesellschaft Qantas Airways plant, noch in diesem Jahr einen weiteren Milliardenauftrag für neue Flugzeuge zu vergeben. Die Bestellung von Maschinen des Typs Airbus A380 könnte weiter aufgestockt werden, sagte Vorstand John Borghetti. (Süddeutsche Zeitung S. 22)"

Did they mention the a350 somewhere else?

By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if QF becomes another carrier who orders both the 787 and the a350.



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14862 times:

There was talk last year of the A350-1000 being a possibility for QF

Possible Qantas A350 Order (by MEA Aug 2 2007 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=3539965&searchid=3539965&s=QANTAS+A350#ID3539965


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5264 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14815 times:

I guess QF may wait and see how the downturn effects air travel especially given that they have something like 150 aircraft on order. (738, A32S, 787, A380)

But this is QF, so who knows what they have up the sleeve!


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8459 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14680 times:

Perhaps they found a way of screwing more money out of jetstar by buying A350s and using the 787s as an interim measure or even keeping the A330 at JQ longer.

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14482 times:

Even more A380s for QF?!

That would be their second follow up order then!

Looks like quite a few customers are going to add to their order this year: so far we have seen comments from top-managers of following airlines that 2008 will be the year in which they place their follow up orders for the A380:

Air France (by means of their CFO)
Kingfisher (by means of their Chairman)
Gruppo Marsans (by means of their Chairman as well, even before the first 4 are firmed)
Qantas (by means of a Boardmember)

and then their is LH which has repeatedly said they have never ordered a plane without placing follow-up orders later and that the A380 would not be any different...

Add a significant order from ANA (strongly rumoured) and LH may be pushed to firm up now if they do not want to see delivery slots on their added orders be set deep into the second half of the next decade.

What is going on? Are all these airlines becoming 'non-profit oriented' all of a sudden?
Richard, please give them a wake-up call in one of your monthly letters...  Wink


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14417 times:



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Reports have surfaced citing Mr. Borghetti, Member of the Board of Qantas, that the carrier is set to place another multi-billion order this year and has indicated that the order could comprise a combination of A350s and further A380s. So far only a link in German avaiable:

http://www.faz.net/d/invest/meldung.aspx?id=67268511

Basically not so much new info in here, interesting though that the A350 still appears to be under consideration.

I also don´t see any word regarding the A350. Maybe it is in the printed edition of the Süddeutsche Zeitung as the link refers to it (Page 22). Qantas stated interest in the A350 a while ago. As Boeing does not give any indication about when the 787-10 will be launched and Qantas was mainly interest in that version for a follow-up order the A350-1000 seems very likely. It will offer commonality with their A380 fleet and EK and QR have ordered them already and will fly them to Australia along with their A380s.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
and then their is LH which has repeatedly said they have never ordered a plane without placing follow-up orders later and that the A380 would not be any different...

Add a significant order from ANA (strongly rumoured) and LH may be pushed to firm up now if they do not want to see delivery slots on their added orders be set deep into the second half of the next decade.

LH will announce their foolow-up order together with their decision on the 787/A350. Maybe they will also firm up some of their 747-8Is options as 747 the fleet chief of LH recently said LH could need up to 50 747-8Is.
ANA is my strong guess for being the next A380 customer as well as Air India. Since Sarkozy is travelling to India by the end of the month Air India might be the first to order.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14324 times:

I did a quick search on several German business sites regarding this. According to them Qantas wants to buy more A380s but also have stated interest in the A350. According to John Borghetti a member of the board the question on how they will split the order depends if they want more capacity or more flights. They also are looking for possible take-over candidates.
Link in German:
http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nach...ichten-2008-01/artikel-9922846.asp

[Edited 2008-01-22 01:58:42]


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14306 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Even more A380s for QF?!

That would be their second follow up order then!

They still have four options outstanding. Maybe they become due this year?

Gemuser



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14177 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Add a significant order from ANA (strongly rumoured)

Really? Haven't heard this rumour. That would be a huge win for Airbus, tremendously boosting the credibilty of the a380, as they were not overly enthusiastic about the a380 before.

Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
Qantas stated interest in the A350 a while ago.

I also remember this from an earlier statement by QF

Quoting Columba (Reply 7):
did a quick search on several German business sites regarding this. According to them Qantas wants to buy more A380s but also have stated interest in the A350.

From the link you provided:
"Außerdem gibt es starkes Interesse am Airbus A350."

Seems clear to me  Smile



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14041 times:

Can definitely see QF ordering another 20 A380's


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13986 times:

that would be a good strategic choice, QF will offer MORE capacity at LOWER COSTS and EARLIER than many of their competitors like ANA, Cathay, TG, MAS, JAL, KE, any US airline, SA.. all except EK, QR, SQ.

the first to shoot wins!  whistleblower 


User currently offlineJimma From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13957 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 10):
Can definitely see QF ordering another 20 A380's

can you go into detail over this comment?


User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1576 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13841 times:

I think Qantas will be very cautious about adding any more capacity until they see how the World Economy goes over the next six months, and the likelihood of an aviation downturn.

Of course they may be able to pick up some bargains.

Is this a strategic release of information, for as yet unknown reasons?

Ruscoe


User currently offlineVHHYI From Australia, joined Oct 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13828 times:

This article was published last year, but haven't seen it mentioned on A.Net:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,22961346-23349,00.html

So QF wants more favorable tax laws relating to aircraft so they can get on the same financial playing field as their Asian compeditors. Now the green card is thrown into it as encouragement.

The above article seems to suggest (mildly) a desire to buy/replace frames much faster than they do now.

JetStar has plenty of A32x on the way, QF has 738 to replace older 737's, both will see a large (up to 65) 787's, A380's, more A33x etc, when fleet replacement is out of the equation, how much more capacity is desired?



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13650 times:

I think Dixon said during the 787 roll-out:

“We are looking very, very carefully at the A350,” Dixon says, adding: “There is no doubt the A350 now is a very, very good aircraft.”

The A350-900 would be B787-10 sized, the A350-1000 B777-300ER sized, only much lighter.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3507305/


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12988 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 9):
Really? Haven't heard this rumour. That would be a huge win for Airbus, tremendously boosting the credibilty of the a380, as they were not overly enthusiastic about the a380 before.

Well British Airways said the same thing and look what happened!! Im surprised that a Japanese airline hasn't order A380s yet considering their high-yielding routes... They can fill up 747s on domestic routes.. why not an all Y class A380?



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12887 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
Well British Airways said the same thing and look what happened!!

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That order also boosted the a380's credibility.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 15):
The A350-900 would be B787-10 sized, the A350-1000 B777-300ER sized, only much lighter.

I think the a350/787 combo can be really successfull, like the 777/a330 combo that some airlines use right now.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4642 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11581 times:



Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 13):
I think Qantas will be very cautious about adding any more capacity until they see how the World Economy goes over the next six months, and the likelihood of an aviation downturn.

Airlines don't worry about the "short term" so much as the medium and long term.

From what I've heard, this is the rather complext plan -

1. First 15 787-8s go to Jetstar for expansion onto previously unviable routes (ATH, FCO, etc)

2. The 6 x A332s with JQ will go back to QF. These will probably replace the 743s.

3. Once the 787-9s start coming in, they're supposed to be replacing the 787-8s with JQ which will then go to QF

4. The 787s will presumably replace all of the QF 767s (29 currently), all the A333s (10 currently) and the A332s. The rest will be used for growth.

5. The A380s - 20 - will be used to replace the 744s in a lot of places, with the younger 744s reallocated to places such as Santiago. There are 30 744s in the fleet at the moment.

That would just about cover what is currently on order.

See the hole?

Quoting Keesje (Reply 15):
“We are looking very, very carefully at the A350,” Dixon says, adding: “There is no doubt the A350 now is a very, very good aircraft.”

For a start, I don't doubt it's an excellent aircraft.

I think, personally, that there is a replacement need for the 10 later build 744s. This could go to the A350, a revamped 777, or the 787-10 - depending on how Boeing scales it. This would be sometime between 2012 and 2022.

So I would certainly expect another order in the next 24 months or so.



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11558 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
Well British Airways said the same thing and look what happened!! Im surprised that a Japanese airline hasn't order A380s yet considering their high-yielding routes... They can fill up 747s on domestic routes.. why not an all Y class A380?

There is a limit on 4 engine aircraft in Japan. JAL and ANA will not be buying the A380 or the 747-8i anytime soon. That is not part of their long term business plan.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11421 times:
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I remain skeptical about a QF order for the A350. Not because I believe the A350 is not a good plane, but if QF feels that they can now use a 300+ seat twin-engine long-haul plane it has to be because the economics of such a need have to be pretty marginal, so only the 20%+ efficiency the A350 or 787-10 offer over the 777 would make such a need worth pursuing. Otherwise, they'd have already done it with the 777.

The problem becomes, at what point were those projections made? If we assume the 777-300ER with fuel at $1.00 a gallon is "1" and the minimum needs to be "1.15", then even if the A350-1000 delivered "1.2" based on Airbus' original projections against the 777-300ER at a fuel price of $1.00 per gallon, it takes only a very small rise in fuel price or a very small drop in that "efficiency gap" between the A350-1000 and the 777-300ER before that figure drops below the "1.15" minimum and even an A350-1000 is no longer able to economically justify the mission.

And if QF is looking to add even more A380-800s, this would go against the grain of launching a 300+ seat long-haul twin. Instead, QF would more likely have a two-tier long-haul structure - "hub to hub" flights (be they QF or OneWorld partner hubs) would be handled exclusively by A380s and the 787-8 and 787-9 would be used for "hub to point" (be they QF or OneWorld partner hubs) as well as select point-to-point routes that can justify the service.


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11264 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 15):
A350-1000 B777-300ER sized

That's a hypothesis to be proven. I think XWB-1000 will be a bit smaller than the existing 777-300ER



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10516 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
Otherwise, they'd have already done it with the 777.

What was QF's main objection to the 777-300ER? Just curious.


User currently offlineStoutAirLines From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9994 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Add a significant order from ANA (strongly rumoured)



Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
ANA is my strong guess for being the next A380 customer

Where could we read about these strong rumours and the basis for the strong guesses? I thought ANA was trending in the opposite direction toward smaller aircraft.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 15):
The A350-900 would be B787-10 sized, the A350-1000 B777-300ER sized, only much lighter.

Keesje,
Will the A350-1000 also have equivalent cargo capacity at the same range as the B777-300ER? I was not aware of this.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9516 times:



Quoting StoutAirLines (Reply 23):
Will the A350-1000 also have equivalent cargo capacity at the same range as the B777-300ER? I was not aware of this.

Yes, cargo belly capacity (number of pallets / LD3) is more determined by lenght then width.

I think for Qantas to have something inbetween A330/787s and 747/ A380s isn´t very irrational.

Why Qantas didn´t order the 777 during the last 13 years I don´t know. Maybe they didn´t need the range of the 777-200ER and didn´t like carrying its 22.000 kg (46.000lbs) additional structure around Asia on top of their A330-300s.


25 ANstar : Probably becuase they have some younger 747's that meet that capacity.... By the time they need to repalce those 747's then Im sure the 773er will be
26 Thorben : Really? Can I read their long-term business plans somewhere?
27 TCT : would a 380 be able to do JFK-SYD nonstop?
28 DavidByrne : Can you elaborate on what the limitation is and why? Thanks
29 Post contains links and images Keesje : Why, its quieter and more fuel efficient per passenger then twins.. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ptimistic-of-all-nippon-order.html
30 Zkpilot : Yes except that it is not just the worries of a global recession (that could last for several years), it is the high cost of fuel also. A recession o
31 Thorben : Nope. That is more than 16,000km, the A380 is listed at 15,000km with 555 passengers and their luggage.
32 TCT : Wow I thought they need a aircraft to do that type of route? Guess well have to wait till the future for an aircraft to do that.
33 Zkpilot : Its called the 787 (or a HGW/LR version of it).
34 Flysherwood : Look up the comments of the CEO of ANA when they purchased the 787. And yes, they later said maybe when Airbus had a VP in Japan, but if Airbus wants
35 Gigneil : A 777-200LR can do JFK-SYD nonstop today. Its just not worth it. NS
36 Post contains images Flysherwood : Only if the flight is full Keesje!!!
37 Post contains images Keesje : Indeed. However I´ve heard rumors twins, NB´s and even regionals aren´t always full either
38 Stitch : A 777-300ER and A350-1000 should both have 44 LD3 positions. As to range and density, that will have to wait until those figures for the A350-1000 ar
39 Gigneil : I would bet that the density is a smidge lower... the airframe is a lot lighter. It gets its range from economy, not from raw weight uplift. Same dea
40 Post contains images Flysherwood : And that helps your argument to buy an A380, how?
41 Thegeek : Yes, this plan involves a massive amount of shuffling aircraft between JQ and QF. It also means getting rid of not exactly old A330s, while hanging o
42 Jbernie : A few too many factors playing into this one... play A vs B for best price (nothing new there) play A vs B for best aircraft As already mentioned QF i
43 Thegeek : I wouldn't think so either. However, I'd expect that the B744 will be still in the QF fleet for another 15 years. I expect that QF will wait and see
44 Gigneil : If the 787 gets 330 minute ETOPS, sure no problem. Of course, Australia and the varying South American countries don't have to do what the FAA says d
45 Aussie747 : But I'm thinking QF is looking at whats it's new jets can handle come later this year, before launching non stops to DFW and that way can tap more in
46 QantasHeavy : I think QF would (and should) refrain from committing to any more planes that are on the drawing board. Both the A380 and 787 had bid delays which hav
47 NCB : Unless they order Domestic variants (a huge order by NH will make sense)... Put more pax instead of fuel, remove all unneeded long-haul equipment (ga
48 United Airline : Probably some B 787-10s and extra A 380s? Also some B 747-8s?
49 Stitch : Airbus doesn't make one, though. Also, frequency actually plays an important part in the Japanese domestic network (since the shinkansen continues to
50 Post contains links Aerokiwi : http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/corporate/ir/pdf/annual/07/07_09.pdf "Long term" business plans in the airline industry (and many others) aren't wo
51 Mariner : So - you're suggesting that Airbus just walk away? mariner
52 Aerokiwi : The Australian and Japanese markets are rather differnet when it comes to the A380 as well. Qantas is under pressure to respond to the threat of Middl
53 Mariner : I haven't seen that. If anything, the opposite has been true. Or so it seems to me. mariner
54 Aerokiwi : Whenever the Japanese market is brought into the A380 debate, the argument has generally been that a. Japan has 747s on domestic so they need an airc
55 SKY1 : That's pretty curious there is not still any twin flying over the South Pacific route.
56 Gigneil : Presently there is no twin being operated in any South Pacific countries designed to a 330 minute standard. NS
57 Mariner : That may be. But that wasn't my point. It was this statment that I queried: From my perspective, the number of those on a.net supporting the A380 - a
58 Aerokiwi : Oh I see your point. Sorry, had to re-read there. I'm referring to the A380 cheerleaders. Sorry, should've been more specific. Meanwhile, Qantas and
59 Mariner : Huh? It proves exactly the reverse - that it doesn't dominate, at least as far as Japan is concerned. mariner
60 Aerokiwi : Yes you're right, I've corrected my original post. Sorry, I misread/understood it there. My reaction is to the A380 cheerleaders who have had the same
61 Mariner : Okay, but they are still heavily outweighed by the A380 Bashers, who have had the same argument since, well, forever. mariner
62 Aerokiwi : Except in the ANA example, there is official documentation to support the argument that the A380 is very unlikely for that carrier, thus supporting t
63 Post contains images Mariner : That still isn't the point I was making, which was about your claim of "size beats all" being alive and well here. From my perspective, the bashers o
64 Aerokiwi : Then I suggest you read the thread to date from the beginning. The same members spouting the usual A380-for-Japan argument (thus prompting our little
65 Mariner : Um - why should I re-read it? I've done that and I said that you were not the one to fire the first round. Since that is a question (presumably to me
66 Post contains images Astuteman : 320 m2 of deck space vs 330 m2 for the 773ER. How close to they have to be before they're pretty much "like-for-like"? Or the A380 HGW/R...... It is
67 Post contains links Planemaker : About two years ago... Although it has no plans to acquire the A380 in the medium term, Yamamoto does not rule out an order for the aircraft in the l
68 Post contains images Scbriml : That would seem to be the inference. If NH does buy the A380, there are going to be some very disappointed people here.
69 Post contains links and images Keesje : I far as I can see the specs can be found at airbus.com and 40 are ordered at this moment. What's the problem? How detailed were the 787 specs 5 yrs
70 Scbriml : As was confirmed by Tom Enders at Airbus' Annual Press Conference last week, the basic configuration of the A350 is frozen - it's not going to get bi
71 Stitch : There are a lot of empty spaces on that chart, and they're some of the most important data points: MEW, MZFW, and volumetric payload. I'm sure Airbus
72 Post contains images EK413 : 4 of the 6 JQ A332's will replace the B743 fleet... VH-EBE, VH-EBF will be reconfigured with the Skybed course they have the stronger floor fitted...
73 Post contains links and images Keesje : Not entirely true, there was the L1011 / DC10 / MD11 from the seventies used by JAl and ANA and A340s and 777s from the nineties also offering the re
74 JFK787NYC : Why would it not be worth it? Could Delta do it from Atlanta?
75 Gemuser : Insufficient demand! For more details, both pro & con this theory, look up all the numerious threads dealing with DL, NW & CO serving Australia & NZ.
76 Flysherwood : Not at all. They could very well purchase a variant of the A350! The A380 is not going to happen.
77 Post contains images Mariner : But then you are saying that - on the A380 - they should just walk away. And I cannot think of a single reason why. If you've got it, flaunt it. Or a
78 Post contains links ClassicLover : 24 x 747-400 6 x 747-400ER ... and four 747-300s. http://www.icns.com.au/qflyer/qflyer.html
79 Post contains images Scbriml : Wasn't that the "experts" opinion about BA as well?
80 Kiwiandrew : OT , I know , but is QF the last remaining operator of 'first-hand' 747-300s ?
81 Post contains links ClassicLover : No... Saudia, and Japan Air Lines still do... http://www.planespotters.net/Product...List/Boeing/747/747-300/index.html
82 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : Doh! - I should have known that thanks for the quick answer
83 Aerokiwi : The following is the sentiment I was referring to... Also, see my response in the first paragraph of Reply 54 - the same arguments are wheeled out ov
84 Scbriml : Not at all, just suggesting an alternative reality to those that refuse to believe any airline will ever buy the A380. I was under the impression thi
85 EK413 : Does this include the 3 purchased from MH and OZ... OEB, OEC,OED, TG... EK413
86 Zkpilot : QF struggles to fill a 744 LAX-JFK so how on earth are they going to fill an A380? especially considering that over such a long distance it will not
87 Post contains images Astuteman : Fair enough. Though I'm not sure that one post from a member who's only been on here long enough to make 11 posts, constitutes a "size beats all ment
88 Thegeek : That may be, but if, as reported the trip costs of an A380 are similiar to a B744, then there is no disadvantage to using the A380 on this route. And
89 ClassicLover : Yes. As I said, 24 x 747-400, 6 x 747-400ER and 4 x 747-300.
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