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Airbus Seeks To Extend A32S Life  
User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

'Airbus is about to engage in a series of fatugue tests on it's short haul aircraft, the Airbus A320. The tests, which aim to extend the life could lead to the flight-hour (FH) limit being tripled to 180000 hours.'

Is this true and if so, what airlines are using these ancient 320's and what carriers will benefit from this?

http://letsfindaflight.com/page_1181845192626.html

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User currently offlineCygnusChicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

This could be for the A320 freighter conversion program.


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User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

Check this out...

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...d-service-life-of-a320-family.html

Airbus is about to begin fatigue tests of full-scale A320 sections as it undertakes a major programme to extend the life of twinjet that could ultimately result in the flight-hour (FH) limit being tripled to 180,000h.

The programme, Extended Service Goal (ESG), was launched a year ago as the high-time A320 was approaching the 60,000h goal originally set for the twinjet when it entered service in 1988 with Air France. With 3,300 A318, A319, A320 and A321 aircraft in service, and 2,500 on order, Airbus is moving to ensure that the fleet can remain operational well into the second half of the century.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

The SECOND HALF of the century? This aircraft was designed for 1988. Few airliners last that long unmodified. I mean the 727 had a long run without much modification, but not THAT long. In 2058 the A320 will be 70 years old, even if individual aircraft are much newer. That would be the equivalent of an airline still having, say, a Comet-4 still in operation (I say a Comet because it's the earliest aircraft that has performance that would even come close to matching a modern aircraft).

I'm a big Boeing fan, but I will give AB credit where credit is due: The A320 is a fantastic aircraft. But it's not THAT good.

But another 30 years until the last one goes to the Smithsonian, sure I can buy that. But I guarantee you the last airline to retire the A320 will be NW.  Smile


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5392 times:

180,000 is a lot of hours.

NS


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3425 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

good luck to them. I suspect that they are going to have a hard ride getting 180,000 hours period. They also have to convince the athorities that more issues like the wingbox cracking will be found well before it causes a problem.

User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1465 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5165 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 4):
180,000 is a lot of hours.

80,000 is a lot of hours. Adding the extra digit seems a bit over the top, no?



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

To put this into perspective, Airbus did a similar thing on the A300, it is not the first time they have done this.


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User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

I don't get why they would take advantage in doing this ?? If so, it will not encourage carriers to buy new planes !! Am I missing something here ?

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4911 times:



Quoting HBJZA (Reply 8):
I don't get why they would take advantage in doing this ?? If so, it will not encourage carriers to buy new planes !! Am I missing something here ?

New airframe prices to an extent are determined by the "resale" or "residual" price of the airframe at what the airline would see being at the end of its "useful" life which can influence purchasing decisions.

If an airframe life can be extended, at the end of airline "A"s "useful" life, maybe just the start of the life with a new carrier, and only half way, instead of 80-90% of the approved cycles/hours. That means when it comes to doing a freight conversion, a 5 million investment could possibly be spread over say 10 years instead of 5.

For manufacturers, they still generate a lot of revenue from spares, and from doing these mods to increase the life.



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

See also

Airbus Targets Life Extension For A320 Family (by A342 Jan 22 2008 in Tech Ops)
Airbus To Double A320 Lifespan (by Flying-Tiger Jan 2 2008 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4907 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
The SECOND HALF of the century? This aircraft was designed for 1988. Few airliners last that long unmodified. I mean the 727 had a long run without much modification, but not THAT long. In 2058 the A320 will be 70 years old, even if individual aircraft are much newer. That would be the equivalent of an airline still having, say, a Comet-4 still in operation (I say a Comet because it's the earliest aircraft that has performance that would even come close to matching a modern aircraft).

I don´t think many passenger airlines would use their A320 that long it will be more freight airlines that would use them. Just look how many 727 are still in service hauling freight or as an even better example Dc 3s !



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12806 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4819 times:
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Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 5):
I suspect that they are going to have a hard ride getting 180,000 hours period.

Why?

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 5):
They also have to convince the athorities that more issues like the wingbox cracking will be found well before it causes a problem.

This "major issue" surfaces every now and again. How big an issue this is can be gauged by plunging A32S sales.



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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2811 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
But I guarantee you the last airline to retire the A320 will be NW. Smile

OMG. How long will they fly them?  hyper 

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