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Horizon To Prince George BC  
User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 468 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

According to an announcement on Yahoo finance (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080122/20080122006508.html?.v=1)
Horizon is going to start daily flights from SEA to Prince George BC with Q400's with flights timed to arrive/depart YXS in the early afternoon. I was looking on a map and it appears that this will become Horizon's northern most destination served since YXS is a bit farther north than Edmonton.

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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1990 times:



Quoting Teneriffe77 (Thread starter):
I was looking on a map and it appears that this will become Horizon's northern most destination served since YXS is a bit farther north than Edmonton.

Very much the case. Still not as far north as places such as Grand Prairie, Alberta or Fort McMurray, Alberta or Juneau, Alaska, but none the less QX and AS are flexing their muscles as being a trans-border carrier for B.C. into SEA.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

YXS is a surprise but interesting. I haven't been there in years but I remember it provided good access to the the BC interior.


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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Wow...I'm a bit surprised by this one. Prince George doesn't have the tourist appeal that most of Horizon's other BC destinations have, but it is the largest city in northern BC (around 100,000 in the area, I believe). I hope QX does well on it! Will this be Prince George's first transborder service?

If they are giving Prince George a shot, I wonder if Whitehorse might be on their radar with the CR7's. That could be an interesting, and dark-horse, seasonal service candidate. SEA-YXY is 1,050 miles, well within the range of the CR7.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1897 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 3):
If they are giving Prince George a shot, I wonder if Whitehorse might be on their radar with the CR7's. That could be an interesting, and dark-horse, seasonal service candidate. SEA-YXY is 1,050 miles, well within the range of the CR7.

Another fun to think about idea, supplementary service into SE Alaska during the summer months.  scratchchin  Ketchican, Sitka and even Juneau are well w/in CR7 range.



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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1895 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 3):
If they are giving Prince George a shot, I wonder if Whitehorse might be on their radar with the CR7's. That could be an interesting, and dark-horse, seasonal service candidate. SEA-YXY is 1,050 miles, well within the range of the CR7.

Well as a Whitehorse person, I would say thats fairly unlikely. But then again, when it comes to the airline industry who knows whats going to happen.
As far as the CR7 goes that would kind of make sence, as Air Canada Jazz currently uses CRJ705s YVR-YXY, and SEA wouldn't be a heck of a lot farther to go. Range wise the CRJs don't seem to have a problem with YXY, it's just getting all the excess luggage in and out at busy times, and sometimes the really cold days that they seem to struggle with. But as long as they keep the luggage and cargo down and are prepaired for some delays and cancellations every here and there in the winter the CRJs seem to get the job done. Not as great as say a 737, but they'll get you there.

As far as the market though, I don't know. I've often wondered about a service YXY-Kelowna, and I heard the idea of YXY-Prince George floating around at one point, but Seattle would surprise me. It'd be nice to see another addition to the YXY list, but Horizon would definetly surprise me.



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1876 times:
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Prince George Airport is in the middle of a big runway lengthening project aimed at attracting some heavy metal in the form of Asian cargo flights on technical stops. They also want to attract some European passenger traffic as well. I wonder if Horizon is anticipating some collateral growth from all of that. I think the runway (11,400 ft) is supposed to be ready in the fall, complete with Cat II rating.


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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1831 times:



Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 5):
As far as the market though, I don't know. I've often wondered about a service YXY-Kelowna, and I heard the idea of YXY-Prince George floating around at one point, but Seattle would surprise me. It'd be nice to see another addition to the YXY list, but Horizon would definetly surprise me.

I agree wholeheartedly that such a service would be a nice surprise, but with the ever increasing tourism in Alaska and Yukon, it seems to be that QX could probably fill up a jet once a day in the summer. It'd also be nice to see AS or Air North try YXY from ANC, but nobody seems to be able to make YXY-Alaska work very well. Era couldn't do it on ANC-YXY, and Air North dumped JNU-YXY and massively scaled back their FAI service from Dawson.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 6):
Prince George Airport is in the middle of a big runway lengthening project aimed at attracting some heavy metal in the form of Asian cargo flights on technical stops. They also want to attract some European passenger traffic as well. I wonder if Horizon is anticipating some collateral growth from all of that. I think the runway (11,400 ft) is supposed to be ready in the fall, complete with Cat II rating.

There was an article in the Alaska Journal of Commerce about this not too long ago. Sounds like an interesting venture for YXS; as northern BC continues to grow, that airport is likely to be the source for any longhaul (domestic or international) flights to the region.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 4):
Another fun to think about idea, supplementary service into SE Alaska during the summer months. scratchchin Ketchican, Sitka and even Juneau are well w/in CR7 range.

A "Horizon North" service seems to pop up as an idea every now and then. I think if it ever happens, it'll be the Alaska Air Group buying out Era Aviation and operating the ANC-ENA/HOM/VDZ/CDV/ADQ routes as Horizon flights. I doubt QX would ever do SEA-Southeast Alaska; those are longish-flights that require a lot of cargo lift in the aircraft belly. Not really QX's specialty.



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User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1814 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 3):
Wow...I'm a bit surprised by this one. Prince George doesn't have the tourist appeal that most of Horizon's other BC destinations have, but it is the largest city in northern BC (around 100,000 in the area, I believe). I hope QX does well on it!

From the press release, it sounds like oil and gas exploration/extraction in the Prince George area is part of the reason. I can't think of why Horizon would venture into a somewhat obscure destination from SEA (as an airplane/geography nerd, even I had to Google it...) without some decent traffic potential, and oil and gas would certainly help, plus mining and lumber and the occasional vacation traffic. Maybe some hunting/fishing?

It is definitely nice to see another SEA destination, especially in Canada. However, with no border preclearance, the flights will be arriving in the S gates in Seattle, like Horizon's Victoria and Kelowna flights. The arrival time looks like 5:30PM in Seattle, which is unfortunate since some of the European arrivals tend to fill up immigration and customs around that time.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1636 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 7):
I doubt QX would ever do SEA-Southeast Alaska; those are longish-flights that require a lot of cargo lift in the aircraft belly. Not really QX's specialty.

No arguing that cargo capacity is critical in the market, but in the summer there is a need for seat lift, trouble is, cities like PSG, WRG, KTN & SIT don't really need 2 or 3 additional -400s or -700s, but for scheduling that's really the only option. I've always thought that adding in a CR7 to supplement seat only would be ideal. But of course, I'm from there, so I think any new service is ideal!  Smile



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1525 times:
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Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Reply 8):
From the press release, it sounds like oil and gas exploration/extraction in the Prince George area is part of the reason.

That might be a stretch. Most of the oil/gas activity is in the Fort St. John/Dawson Creek areas which are further north and on the other side of the Rockies. There are lots of AC flights between Ft.St.John and Vancouver or Calgary to service all that and I can't see Seattle being a useful link for that.

It may have more to do with the new (and growing rapidly) container port at Prince Rupert and the new CN intermodal facility in Prince George. Those two inter-related operations, and the runway lengthening, are expected to generate a lot of business activity in Prince George over the next few years. Lumber? that's on life support with a poor prognosis.



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