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AirTran Adds MKE-LGA 3X Daily  
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5877 times:
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http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=710240

Good to see that FL is staying committed to MKE.

Schedule is a follows


flt 508 MKE-LGA Departs @ 0730 Arrives @ 1035 B717
flt 311 MKE-LGA Departs @ 1325 Arrives @ 1630 B737
flt 514 MKE-LGA Departs @ 1755 Arrives @ 2100 B737

flt 216 LGA-MKE Departs @ 0645 Arrives @ 0800 B737
flt 509 LGA-MKE Departs @ 1310 Arrives @ 1425 B737
flt 327 LGA-MKE Departs @ 1529 Arrives @ 1644 B737

[Edited 2008-01-23 05:01:55]


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5008 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5834 times:

Where did these slots come from? Any flights cut from other FL destinations?

Guess it's on now in MKE.



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

Thats a bit of a surprise, but I guess that with the dropping of LAS to CAK & DAY, they had to employ those 737's somewhere.


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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

Looks like FL is going to try what NWA tried a few years back. NWA flew empty planes and failed going head to head with YX. Should be interesting to see who wins this round. I was hoping for new destinations from MKE... like MSY, SJC or SAN.

User currently offlineMikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5737 times:
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Quoting MKENut (Reply 3):
SJC

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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

I was kind of expecting this to happen when FL won those extra slots a while back. Ae these flights going to be with 717s or 737s?


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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

in one word


SEASONAL!


filler filler


User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1599 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

Press Release Source: AirTran Airways


AirTran Airways Announces New Flights From Milwaukee to New York
Wednesday January 23, 9:00 am ET
- Low Fare Airline Begins Milwaukee Expansion -


ORLANDO, Fla., Jan. 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: AAI - News), announced today that it will add service between General Mitchell International Airport in Milwaukee and New York LaGuardia Airport effective for travel May 6, 2008. The route will be served with the airline's popular and fuel-efficient Boeing 737-700 and Boeing 717-200 aircraft, which make up America's youngest all Boeing fleet.
"Passenger demand for AirTran Airways' product has been strong in Milwaukee, and we are excited to offer our Milwaukee customers new nonstop service to New York City," said Kevin Healy, senior vice president of marketing and planning for AirTran Airways. "With well-timed flights and low- fares, passengers can sit back, listen to XM Satellite Radio and enjoy their flight to the city that never sleeps. AirTran Airways' service expansion from Milwaukee to Las Vegas and Phoenix has been extremely well received. We think the addition of New York will be a strong market for both business and leisure travelers and a key part of our growing network from Mitchell Field."

AirTran Airways currently offers nonstop service form Milwaukee to Atlanta, Baltimore-Washington, Ft. Myers, Las Vegas, Orlando, Phoenix and Tampa. Today's announcement is the first of several exciting new service initiatives for AirTran from Milwaukee in 2008.

The following nonstop flight options will be available between General Mitchell International Airport and New York's LaGuardia Airport, for travel effective May 6, 2008:



Nonstop flights between Milwaukee and New York (LaGuardia)

From To Flight Departs Arrives Frequency

Milwaukee New York 508 7:30 a.m. 10:35 a.m. Daily
(LaGuardia)
Milwaukee New York 311 1:25 p.m. 4:30 p.m. Daily
(LaGuardia)
Milwaukee New York 514 5:55 p.m. 9:00 p.m. Daily
(LaGuardia)
New York Milwaukee 216 6:45 a.m. 8:00 a.m. Daily
(LaGuardia)
New York Milwaukee 509 1:10 p.m. 2:25 p.m. Daily
(LaGuardia)
New York Milwaukee 327 5:29 p.m. 6:44 p.m. Daily
(LaGuardia)


Following is a sample of fares* AirTran Airways will offer for its new flights between Milwaukee and New York's LaGuardia Airport. Fares listed are one way, available daily and are valid in either direction:



Introductory Lowest Lowest
Destination Sale Fare Walk-up Business Class

Milwaukee to/from
New York (LaGuardia) $74 $199 $239


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6526 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5647 times:

Ok, so these flights begin on May 6th.

Somewhere around October these will quietly disappear from the schedules. Then, in January, they will reappear, albeit as "seasonal" service, which will commence in April, and end in September. Next September, they'll be gone again, only to be replaced by convenient weekend-only service, which will take effect on November 15th, and last until AT LEAST late January. And the cycle will continue...


User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5590 times:



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 5):
was kind of expecting this to happen when FL won those extra slots a while back. Ae these flights going to be with 717s or 737s?

I believe it will be one 717 and two 737's.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5518 times:

Well, color me shocked. I am on record on this forum that they would go after some lower hanging fruit, i.e. where the faced little or no N/S competition from MKE, and never expected this announcement.

As others have rightly iterated, let's see how long this lasts. Surely this will appreciably drag down yields on one of YX's bread-and-butter routes (much more so, I would argue, than NW's relatively smaller attempt to run [was it 1x or 2x daily] MKE-LGA runs), but they'll have to remain entrenched to make any in-roads with NYC and MKE business travelers.

-Mike



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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1599 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

From the Press Release:

"Today's announcement is the first of several exciting new service initiatives for AirTran from Milwaukee in 2008."


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5427 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 3):
Looks like FL is going to try what NWA tried a few years back. NWA flew empty planes and failed going head to head with YX.

I believe NW was down to 88-100 daily seats by the time they dumped LGA.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

From Fare Measure.com:

"Midwest Express Airlines not only carries the most passengers on this route, the airline is also the low-fare carrier. This means you should start your search with this airline.
During the most recent reporting period, Midwest Express Airlines had 71.16% of the market between Milwaukee, WI and New York, NY and passengers paid an average one-way fare of $187.30." The route has 1001 average daily o/d passengers and the flight is 746 miles long.

Even at half the fare, this route has to make more sense than the LAS routes that are probably around twice the distance for the same fare or less.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5405 times:
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FL can add connections to the LGA flights, so in a way it will be different than the NW flights which relied on O&D numbers. Also if you go to FL's website and price a one way MKE-LGA ticket on May 6th it'll cost you $79.00 the same ticket on YX is $530.00. Which one would you pick?


Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5353 times:



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
ticket on May 6th it'll cost you $79.00 the same ticket on YX is $530.00. Which one would you pick?

But but...don't you want your cookie.  Big grin  Wink  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5314 times:



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
FL can add connections to the LGA flights, so in a way it will be different than the NW flights which relied on O&D numbers. Also if you go to FL's website and price a one way MKE-LGA ticket on May 6th it'll cost you $79.00 the same ticket on YX is $530.00. Which one would you pick?

Perhaps one of these flights are 1 stops on their way from either PHX or LAS? Would make it alot easier to make sure the planes stay full.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5205 times:



Quoting RJNUT (Reply 6):
in one word


SEASONAL!

Bingo. They are using, I believe, slots from some of the Florida routes. Come November, they'll go right back to Florida. And then, in spring 2009, AirTran will use them to some other city they feel like "buidling up" for no real reason. AirTran's attempts to become a player in a market that is already extremely well-served for a city of it's size just tell Midwest "ha!" is a little childish. It's not even as if they are doing this to protect marketshare, in which case I would see the logic in this.



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User currently offlineJettaKnight From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 16):
Perhaps one of these flights are 1 stops on their way from either PHX or LAS?


Edited - disregard post.

[Edited 2008-01-23 10:15:49]

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5105 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Bingo. They are using, I believe, slots from some of the Florida routes. Come November, they'll go right back to Florida.

Are they keeping any LGA-Florida service in the summer?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
FL can add connections to the LGA flights, so in a way it will be different than the NW flights which relied on O&D numbers.

I'm not sure I agree. NW definitely routed connections over MKE (cheap connections, typically) and still enjoyed terrible loads.

[Edited 2008-01-23 10:46:50]


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User currently offlineHeavyMx1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 305 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5015 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Bingo. They are using, I believe, slots from some of the Florida routes. Come November, they'll go right back to Florida.

Wrong. These are some of their new slots that they recently purchased from ATA along with some in to DCA. These are not shifted from other routes. I do not see why anyone is surprised that FL is starting MKE-LGA, If you listened to the conference call at the end of last year when they announced they had aquired LGA slots the specificly said that they would be used in the Midwest, were else do you think they would put them.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6584 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4984 times:



Quoting HeavyMx1 (Reply 21):
These are some of their new slots that they recently purchased from ATA along with some in to DCA. These are not shifted from other routes. I

These slots are from ATA and they are currently being used to Florida...some will be shifted to MKE.

It'll be interesting to see if FL is willing to stay with this route. They've said they are committed to building up MKE, so we'll see how committed they really are. They have flown a few point-to-point routes to LGA with success (PHF and CAK). Of course, those markets didn't have the same level of competition that MKE-LGA will have, but the MKE-LGA market is also much larger.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4948 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Bingo. They are using, I believe, slots from some of the Florida routes. Come November, they'll go right back to Florida. And then, in spring 2009, AirTran will use them to some other city they feel like "buidling up" for no real reason.

So sad but true. You really want to wish that these stick around but you somehow just know it won't be the case. I wonder if FL will add 717 service between IND to allow them to basically connect the two markets? That way people could fly the shorter route of IND-MKE-LGA versus IND-ATL-LGA. The route through MKE would be 200 miles shorter each way. Just like running MKE-IND-LAX would save about 470 miles each way compared to MKE-ATL-LAX. The savings would be 700 miles going to SFO. Mileage savings could be realized from IND through MKE going to BWI and PHX as well.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4893 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):
They have flown a few point-to-point routes to LGA with success (PHF and CAK).

And a few without success, like PIT-LGA.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
25 MAH4546 : Wrong. These are the slots purchased from ATA, but they are already being used on routes to Daytona Beach, Orlando, and Tampa.
26 Mikey711MN : Personally, Indy, I've always wondered if/when that might take place. I felt--that is, before today's announcement--that some of MKE's "lower hanging
27 AAflyguy : Regardless of what happens with this latest announcement, the airline is growing its fleet, and no matter what is added or pulled, it continues to ser
28 HeavyMx1 : Ok I give you that, but if you listen to the archived webcast, it says that they were purchased with the intent to service the midwest and they did m
29 Indy : I listened to the recording and it didn't say they were purchased with the intent to service the midwest. They stated there was a possibility/conside
30 MKE22 : Other expected destinations: SAN,MIA, DCA? I think that FL should also try routes not just to compete, like SAN IMO anyway.
31 Knope2001 : If I had to guess, LAX, SFO on the west, BOS and DCA on the east if they get the DCA slot. If they don't get the DCA slot, then perhaps only BOS. The
32 HeavyMx1 : Thank You! Obviously FL does well at the way they do things. Would you rather they stay in a city bleeding money when they could be utilizing there f
33 Post contains images MKE22 : All in all, FL is just doing what works for them.
34 Travatl : I think this may be our "last stand". DFW ... didn't work. IND ... underperformed. A coupla (or more) dozen other routes initiated in an attempt to ge
35 MKE22 : I think you have a point here. FL might just have been challenging too big. DFW- DL/AA? IND- NW 's backyard. And also in a way MDW- WN. YX isn't in t
36 Indy : Did IND under perform? I don't know they really put much effort into IND. They are at the same number of flights they've had for quite a while. Depen
37 Bok269 : Is that a typo or is one pair going to be operated out with a 717 and back witha 737?
38 MKE22 : Not a typo. According to airtran.com, thats what it is.
39 Cubsrule : YX has succeeded in subtly growing a lot of these markets. Places like DAY and STL were once Beech cities and now support jet service. What happens i
40 MKE22 : I'm sorry, let me re-phrase this. FL lost out on that big gate big at MDW to WN. Those 2 were 'competing' for those gates.
41 Cubsrule : Of course, had FL gotten more gates, I imagine they just would have failed more colossally.
42 Mke717spotter : Really? On MKE-PHX? I thought I heard earlier that MKE-PHX would do great for FL since lots of people fly the route. Are most are going with YX and U
43 MKE22 : Connections to TPA and BWI are available, but at times aren't reasonably priced, but they do happen.
44 Mikey711MN : This presents an interesting logical dilemma... On one hand, some posters will suggest that FL will routinely either drop or make seasonal routes tha
45 Post contains images SFOQQAA : My prediction: The FL flights will be full of AA/UA customers after their ORD flights are cancelled as the airlines don't want to risk violating the N
46 Quickmover : FL did over a year of due dilligence on YX. I'm sure they identified some better routes. FL must think the YX/NW deal will be approved or they wouldn
47 N353SK : No need to drive through Chicago when going from MKE-STL, but that's sort of a moot point, since MKE-MSP (pretty close distance-wise) has pretty good
48 Knope2001 : Perhaps, however MKE-TPA nonstop, which was bookable through summer, was pulled after 4/14 yesterday.
49 Knope2001 : One way to see what AirTran might be planning at MKE is to work the flow currently showing for summer. It appears they have pretty clearly slotted for
50 Knope2001 : And for what it's worth, here are the combined summer load factors (June/July/August) for Midwest's west coast nonstops at Milwaukee: 2006 (when faced
51 MKE22 : I think FL should try LAX seasonal despite at times not having success at IND.
52 Indy : Wow. Pulled TPA? That is unfortunately a move so typical of FL. I wonder what route they are starting that they don't have equipment for? Its a sad s
53 Knope2001 : That had flown MKE-TPA year-round for a few years, from October 2002 to May of 2005. They did not bring it back at all in the winter of 2005/2006. Th
54 Indy : Maybe it just seems odd to me because they run 2x daily from here with no seasonal disruption.
55 Quickmover : Either they have something planned somewhere else or they are deferring more deliveries and haven't announced it yet. I thought they were taking 10-1
56 Indy : BTW I don't think IND-LAS with FL will last. I was looking at some of the fares they are offering and they are nearly giving the seats away. They have
57 Knope2001 : If they do add those two west coast daytime nonstops from MKE, that combined with the added 3x on MKE-LGA uses nearly three airplanes right there. It
58 Indy : It will be interesting to see what the loads are like. They are coming in and dumping nearly 400 seats daily to LGA. I just don't see how that lasts.
59 Knope2001 : As the schedule looks now (including the two west coast adds) they'll at least have good connections at MKE to/from Phoenix, Las Vegas, Los Angeles a
60 MKE22 : It's in part the equipment. The deliveries of the new 737s are taking longer then anticipated and FL is growing impatient. In turn I think it could b
61 Cubsrule : ...which I suspect FL will go ahead and do. I wonder if one of their problems is that they focus too much on load factors at the expense of yields.
62 Knope2001 : Didn't AirTran choose to slow or defer deliveries? Or has there been an issue at Boeing?
63 MKE22 : I'm almost certain it was a Boeing issue, but i'm not 100% sure on that one.
64 Knope2001 : AirTran is ending MKE-PHL May 5th. Just pulled with the schedule loaded last night, and prior to that it was bookable thruogh fall.
65 JettaKnight : Did you mean to say PHX?
66 Knope2001 : Yes, I did mean MKE-PHX. Sorry for the typo.
67 Mikey711MN : Well, that would logically affirm Travatl's observations then and be consistent with FL's MO for flight scheduling. As a sidenote, that 1x daily MKE-
68 Knope2001 : Yup, they added the 2nd MKE-LAS to the schedule a few weeks ago to start 5/08, and it now appears to start 5/21. (Reply 49 listed it,) The MKE "flow"
69 Cubsrule : FL deferred the deliveries.
70 Indy : For what its worth I noticed that FL is down to 5 destinations and 12 daily departures out of IND in late August.
71 SANFan : Say Knope', can you verify for me that they have apparently pulled the SAN-MCO Fri/Sun-only nonstop? I don't see it but I do still see the 3x ATL flig
72 BA744PHX : Wasn't MKE-PHX originally announced as seasonal? If so then wouldn't this just be until winter??
73 MAH4546 : Not sure how it was announced, but until two days ago it was bookable through the summer.
74 SANFan : I believe SAN-MCO was as well... bb
75 Post contains links BA744PHX : http://pressroom.airtran.com/phoenix...-newsArticle&ID=1045989&highlight= Ok according to their original announcement it was being launched as season
76 Knope2001 : Yes, MKE-PHX and MKE-RSW were both announced as seasonal. However while Fort Myers was never for sale past early April, Phoenix was kept in the schedu
77 EvilForce : The cheapest RT I could find was $ 267. That doesn't seem like "giving it away" to me. *shrug*
78 Indy : The fare I found was on airtran.com .
79 EvilForce : On Expedia, I simply checked fares for a 3 week + advance over a weekend (typical Vegas trip) Outbound from IND - Friday Feb 22nd - Return Tuesday Fe
80 MKE22 : Lets see how long that lasts. I hope it does well though, although YX operates this like 3x daily at least right? Thank you for clearing that up for
81 Indy : Prior to FL starting the service you could look around on any given day and find $400+ r/t. The yields were finally starting to recover from the TZ e
82 SkyexRamper : That sure is a nice mark up that Midwest wants you to pay for the NWA codeshare flight.
83 B757capt : Seems to be the general AirTran plan. Did anyone happen to see their earning balance sheet? Why can't they make money outside of ATL? That was unreal
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