MKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5895 times:
Looks like FL is going to try what NWA tried a few years back. NWA flew empty planes and failed going head to head with YX. Should be interesting to see who wins this round. I was hoping for new destinations from MKE... like MSY, SJC or SAN.
Gr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1613 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5794 times:
Press Release Source: AirTran Airways
AirTran Airways Announces New Flights From Milwaukee to New York
Wednesday January 23, 9:00 am ET
- Low Fare Airline Begins Milwaukee Expansion -
ORLANDO, Fla., Jan. 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: AAI - News), announced today that it will add service between General Mitchell International Airport in Milwaukee and New York LaGuardia Airport effective for travel May 6, 2008. The route will be served with the airline's popular and fuel-efficient Boeing 737-700 and Boeing 717-200 aircraft, which make up America's youngest all Boeing fleet.
"Passenger demand for AirTran Airways' product has been strong in Milwaukee, and we are excited to offer our Milwaukee customers new nonstop service to New York City," said Kevin Healy, senior vice president of marketing and planning for AirTran Airways. "With well-timed flights and low- fares, passengers can sit back, listen to XM Satellite Radio and enjoy their flight to the city that never sleeps. AirTran Airways' service expansion from Milwaukee to Las Vegas and Phoenix has been extremely well received. We think the addition of New York will be a strong market for both business and leisure travelers and a key part of our growing network from Mitchell Field."
AirTran Airways currently offers nonstop service form Milwaukee to Atlanta, Baltimore-Washington, Ft. Myers, Las Vegas, Orlando, Phoenix and Tampa. Today's announcement is the first of several exciting new service initiatives for AirTran from Milwaukee in 2008.
The following nonstop flight options will be available between General Mitchell International Airport and New York's LaGuardia Airport, for travel effective May 6, 2008:
Nonstop flights between Milwaukee and New York (LaGuardia)
From To Flight Departs Arrives Frequency
Milwaukee New York 508 7:30 a.m. 10:35 a.m. Daily
Milwaukee New York 311 1:25 p.m. 4:30 p.m. Daily
Milwaukee New York 514 5:55 p.m. 9:00 p.m. Daily
New York Milwaukee 216 6:45 a.m. 8:00 a.m. Daily
New York Milwaukee 509 1:10 p.m. 2:25 p.m. Daily
New York Milwaukee 327 5:29 p.m. 6:44 p.m. Daily
Following is a sample of fares* AirTran Airways will offer for its new flights between Milwaukee and New York's LaGuardia Airport. Fares listed are one way, available daily and are valid in either direction:
Introductory Lowest Lowest
Destination Sale Fare Walk-up Business Class
New York (LaGuardia) $74 $199 $239
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5785 times:
Ok, so these flights begin on May 6th.
Somewhere around October these will quietly disappear from the schedules. Then, in January, they will reappear, albeit as "seasonal" service, which will commence in April, and end in September. Next September, they'll be gone again, only to be replaced by convenient weekend-only service, which will take effect on November 15th, and last until AT LEAST late January. And the cycle will continue...
Mikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1405 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week ago) and read 5656 times:
Well, color me shocked. I am on record on this forum that they would go after some lower hanging fruit, i.e. where the faced little or no N/S competition from MKE, and never expected this announcement.
As others have rightly iterated, let's see how long this lasts. Surely this will appreciably drag down yields on one of YX's bread-and-butter routes (much more so, I would argue, than NW's relatively smaller attempt to run [was it 1x or 2x daily] MKE-LGA runs), but they'll have to remain entrenched to make any in-roads with NYC and MKE business travelers.
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5548 times:
From Fare Measure.com:
"Midwest Express Airlines not only carries the most passengers on this route, the airline is also the low-fare carrier. This means you should start your search with this airline.
During the most recent reporting period, Midwest Express Airlines had 71.16% of the market between Milwaukee, WI and New York, NY and passengers paid an average one-way fare of $187.30." The route has 1001 average daily o/d passengers and the flight is 746 miles long.
Even at half the fare, this route has to make more sense than the LAS routes that are probably around twice the distance for the same fare or less.
AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3710 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5543 times:
FL can add connections to the LGA flights, so in a way it will be different than the NW flights which relied on O&D numbers. Also if you go to FL's website and price a one way MKE-LGA ticket on May 6th it'll cost you $79.00 the same ticket on YX is $530.00. Which one would you pick?
Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5452 times:
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14): FL can add connections to the LGA flights, so in a way it will be different than the NW flights which relied on O&D numbers. Also if you go to FL's website and price a one way MKE-LGA ticket on May 6th it'll cost you $79.00 the same ticket on YX is $530.00. Which one would you pick?
Perhaps one of these flights are 1 stops on their way from either PHX or LAS? Would make it alot easier to make sure the planes stay full.
Bingo. They are using, I believe, slots from some of the Florida routes. Come November, they'll go right back to Florida. And then, in spring 2009, AirTran will use them to some other city they feel like "buidling up" for no real reason. AirTran's attempts to become a player in a market that is already extremely well-served for a city of it's size just tell Midwest "ha!" is a little childish. It's not even as if they are doing this to protect marketshare, in which case I would see the logic in this.
HeavyMx1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 305 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5153 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17): Bingo. They are using, I believe, slots from some of the Florida routes. Come November, they'll go right back to Florida.
Wrong. These are some of their new slots that they recently purchased from ATA along with some in to DCA. These are not shifted from other routes. I do not see why anyone is surprised that FL is starting MKE-LGA, If you listened to the conference call at the end of last year when they announced they had aquired LGA slots the specificly said that they would be used in the Midwest, were else do you think they would put them.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6760 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5122 times:
Quoting HeavyMx1 (Reply 21): These are some of their new slots that they recently purchased from ATA along with some in to DCA. These are not shifted from other routes. I
These slots are from ATA and they are currently being used to Florida...some will be shifted to MKE.
It'll be interesting to see if FL is willing to stay with this route. They've said they are committed to building up MKE, so we'll see how committed they really are. They have flown a few point-to-point routes to LGA with success (PHF and CAK). Of course, those markets didn't have the same level of competition that MKE-LGA will have, but the MKE-LGA market is also much larger.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4600 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5086 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17): Bingo. They are using, I believe, slots from some of the Florida routes. Come November, they'll go right back to Florida. And then, in spring 2009, AirTran will use them to some other city they feel like "buidling up" for no real reason.
So sad but true. You really want to wish that these stick around but you somehow just know it won't be the case. I wonder if FL will add 717 service between IND to allow them to basically connect the two markets? That way people could fly the shorter route of IND-MKE-LGA versus IND-ATL-LGA. The route through MKE would be 200 miles shorter each way. Just like running MKE-IND-LAX would save about 470 miles each way compared to MKE-ATL-LAX. The savings would be 700 miles going to SFO. Mileage savings could be realized from IND through MKE going to BWI and PHX as well.