Co LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 875 times:
Hi,
I am looking for any info on Carnival Airlines. Where did they go that you know of? Their routes, etc. Also, do any of you know when Nations Air Express with the 732's went out of business? I heard they merged into PanAm, but when?
Highliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 691 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 852 times:
Here's what I know.......
Carnival had a fleet of 727s, 737-400s and A300s. With the merger to PanAm in sept. 97, the A300s were discarded, I know that. The whole company folded in 1998. I know most of their routes were in the eastern US. They were based in Fort Lauderdale. I know they never served Chicago, . Hope it helps some, I know its not much. I don't know anything about Nations Air Express.
Falcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 847 times:
Carnival originally started as Majestic Air with a sole B727-100 flying to the Bahamas. Subsequently called Carnival to reflect the link with the cruise company, it acquired a pair of B727-200s and later B737-200s and -400s starting scheduled service along the East Coast and to the Caribbean. The A300s were bought for increased capacity to the Northeast and for the LA flights from Miami and Ft. Lauderdale which were often operated with the -400s, fuel stopping in Phoenix. Pan Am 3 took over the company's certificate and dumped the 'buses and B737-200s. While it operated the -400s for a while, the merged company eventually closed. Todays Pan Am took its certificate and some of the 727s and moved to NH. Nations Air Express was a small charter outfit that operated B737-200s and B727-200s on charter flights throughout the US and Caribbean.
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CrewChief32 From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 418 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 833 times:
Carnival had good relations to Pegasus Airlines of Turkey, too.
At least two A300`s went to Turkey in the summer of 1995 and 1996 (corect me if I am wrong), N226 & 228KW for the summer holiday season here, and Pegasus gave them B734`s TC-AFK & M during the winter months.
Carnival did operated one Istanbul Airlines 734 for one winter season, too.
Varsity From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 171 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 828 times:
You can find a list of the cities operated by Carnival, Pan Am II and Pan Am Air Bridge at
http://www.varsity-nj.com/panam/pacities.html.
Pan Am III looked at buying NationsAir but they never actually did.
TWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 822 times:
Falcon Flyer,
You said Pan Am 3 bought Carnival's certificate....I think perhaps you meant Pan Am 2 in 1997. It wasn't untill 1998 when the newly merged airline went bust did Guilford Transportation in NH enter the picture, acquire the name, plane, certificate, etc....did anything regarding "Pan Am 3" exist.
Pan Am 2, started with A300s with a plan to fly from MIA to LAX to JFK and back to MIA shuttling OAL's pax around the country with hot meals and low fares. It eventually slimmed down with 727s and as both Pan Am 2 and Carnival struggles, they merged.
Falcon Flyer, I've never heard of Majestic Air. I do know that the relationship between Carnival Air Lines and Carnival Cruises was a very very strong one (not a simple mrkting agreement): same ownership! Micky Arison.
Falcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 818 times:
Regarding PA 2 & 3, you're right, it was PA 2. About Majestic Air, it started up using B727-100 N5607 for several months in a black, white and gold color scheme. Majestic became Carnival and operated N5607 for a while before upgrading to the -200s.
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CV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 809 times:
I remember seeing Carnival's 737s at Islip, and heard rumors they served White Plains as well, but never saw one of their planes there.
Ryanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 801 times:
PA2 has wanted to buy Carnival Airlines from the very start but couldn't agree on price. I understood around Jan 1998 (PA2 started flying Sept 97) talks started again about a merger but terms couldn't be agreed. PA got into a lot of trouble and basically Arison bought a large shareholding in PA and licenced the PA name to Carnival, effectively shutting PA down except for a handful of flights. Carnival along with PA went bust despite a plan to centre the fleet round 734's and some 733's that never arrived. The sched. ops ended but charters continued using 3x 722's (maybe a 732 was involved not sure) and then Guildford bought this op from the bankruptcy court and moved everything up to Pease NH.
By the time the company went under most of the A300's were in storage or returned to lessers, most of the 722's and 732's had been reprocessed except for a handful but the 734's remained as ILFC was a big supporter.
Really Carnival is still about, because PA3 is simply a reorganised Carnival under a different name but the company bears no ressemblence.
The Pan Am link listed above pretty well shows most of Carnivals scheduled routes but there was also much charter work.
TWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2990 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 784 times:
Carnival went out of business, and so Pan Am II was formed. That went out of business as well, and so teh current Pan Am III exists. Nations Air Express was never aquired by the new new Pan AM (III) although they came very close to realching an agreement. I know Carnival's base was at FLL.
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. Hope it helps some, I know its not much. I don't know anything about Nations Air Express.
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