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Southwest Bringing Wi-Fi To The Low Cost Skies  
User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Just saw this on the Consumerist (among others)

"the highest bandwidth available to commercial airlines in the United States,"

http://valleywag.com/348225/southwes...inging-wi+fi-to-the-low+cost-skies

Looks like they'll be using Satellite technology rather then 3G-Cell Tower based technology like Beta Blue. Should be interesting to use!

Now CO needs to jump on the bandwagon!

What does everyone think? Who will be the next carrier to announce this? VX is my guess.

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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Very cool! Now all they need is to come to MOB so that I can use it!

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25041 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Kinda old news
Southwest To Add Wireless To 4 Planes (by AV8orWALK Oct 11 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineWifiinthesky From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 3279 times:



Quoting Mnevans (Thread starter):
VX is my guess.

VX has already announced they're going to trial Aircell's air-to-ground service later this year.


User currently offlineWifiinthesky From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 3257 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
Kinda old news

This is a new announcement, they hadn't told the public which service provider they would be using prior to this news release.

Either way, interesting that VX, B6, AS, and WN are all testing or planning service, yet the only big 6 network carrier doing anything is AA, although we think CO could be next.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

This is interesting. Ever since B6 pioneered live TV and AirTran put XM in their planes, people have been wondering what WN would do to compete. Full service WiFi definately will get people's attention.


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User currently offlineAV8ORWALK From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

This makes sense that it would coincide with the gate remodeling. Now you can have your laptop completely charged before boarding your flight - utilizing the power points in the redesign. I can get 3 hours out of 1 battery. I also have a back up battery. That's 6 hours. Just as much time as the longest WN flight.

They are really fighting for that expensive business traveller!

Hope it works.

Cheers!
Drew



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User currently offlineWifiinthesky From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2950 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
WiFi definately will get people's attention.

..and could also get more biz travelers to fly WN to MDW instead of UA to ORD


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2841 times:



Quoting AV8ORWALK (Reply 6):
They are really fighting for that expensive business traveller!

At what cost?

So far I've seen only one report - and that was you will have to pay $15 to $20 per flight to use the Internet connection.

IMHO - in the long run, internet access is going to end up like the phones in the back of seats on planes - something only a few people use due to the high costs of airtime/ service.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2826 times:



Quoting AV8ORWALK (Reply 6):
This makes sense that it would coincide with the gate remodeling. Now you can have your laptop completely charged before boarding your flight - utilizing the power points in the redesign

I wonder if this will lead to sockets (not emPower) being added to the seats. UA has similar ones on their p.s. aircraft.

Quoting Wifiinthesky (Reply 7):

..and could also get more biz travelers to fly WN to MDW instead of UA to ORD

WN's business traffic is more impressed by the ultra-flexible, ultra-reasonable fares they offer.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):


So far I've seen only one report - and that was you will have to pay $15 to $20 per flight to use the Internet connection.

IMHO - in the long run, internet access is going to end up like the phones in the back of seats on planes - something only a few people use due to the high costs of airtime/ service.

Think about this logically. There is a big difference between the old Airfones charging $5.99 a minute and getting a whole flight worth of WiFi for $15. As it is, to buy a tmobile day pass you have to pay $10 and that is on the ground where you have other options.



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User currently offlineWifiinthesky From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2782 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):
So far I've seen only one report - and that was you will have to pay $15 to $20 per flight to use the Internet connection.

Aircell is $10-$12, and providers across the board are looking at multiple pricing models, including the use of FF miles.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):
in the long run, internet access is going to end up like the phones in the back of seats on planes

I think cell phones for voice on planes could be like the Airfones in the back of seats because of Inmarsat's rates. But text messaging is another story, over 20,000 Qantas pax have sent texts from their GSM phones in that airline's trial. Also, there's established pricing for text messaging, it's the same as international roaming, and that price level has been successful in the cruise ship industry.


User currently offlineSmed63 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Hmmm....$15-20 to use or $10-12. Why not make this a perk of Business Select? The existing perks of Business Select aren't costing Southwest much if anything (except for the free drink, which I imagine not everyone would use), and this would be a great way to drive more business to the more expensive fare. For other passengers, allow them to buy it on a per-flight basis.

User currently offlineWifiinthesky From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2605 times:



Quoting Smed63 (Reply 11):
Why not make this a perk of Business Select?

Good point, a colleague just paid the extra $60 over standard business just to get an A boarding pass.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

The WN service will be provided by an outfit called Row 44. http://www.row44.com/

It looks like their setup potentially can be leveraged to include IPTV as well. A lower cost and lower weight way for WN to offer IFE? Row 44 claims it weighs less than 150 lbs.

The satelite backend is the Hughes/DirecTV system. I wonder how they are getting 30mbps out of that system? The latency is terrible for DirecPC/Directway users. Maybe the amplified signal from the radome makes a difference.

Anyways, it will be interesting to see how well this works.



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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2514 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 13):
The latency is terrible for DirecPC/Directway users. Maybe the amplified signal from the radome makes a difference.

No, that can't help latency as it won't make the radio waves move any faster. It's pretty simple, the satellites are geosync, ~ 22000 miles up. Min distance travelled for a RT is 22000*4 but normally more as it's unlikely that the endpoint will be anywhere near the ground station. In a perfect world, thats 88000/186000x1000=475 ms which is pretty bad in anybody's book. More realistically when you add relay time at the satellite, ground station, etc. you'll be seeing 600 ms +.



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User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

$15 is a lot to pay considering that most WN flights are shorter, about one and a half hours. I hope WN considers variable rate pricing for different stage lengths.

Of course if they didn't that would be great for my LAS BUF segment that is 4+ hours.


User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Maybe they should set the rates based on length of flights.


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User currently offlineDYflyer From Norway, joined May 2006, 676 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

In Europe DY will bring Wifi to the Low Cost Skies (and unfortunately also mobile service) later this year. They haven't given out any prices or more technical information yet. The services will be available on all their 738s (the first one being delivered tonight).


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