SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4967 posts, RR: 15 Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2435 times:
Here in San Diego, Alaska Airlines currently uses/leases/"possesses" (I don't know exactly what the correct term is in SAN) gates 16-17-18 (having acquired the 3rd gate almost exactly 1 year ago when F9 and YX were shifted to T2E.) AS/QX today run a whopping 13 flights a day out of these 3 gates; it will balloon to 14 flights in June!
I have a couple of questions for SAN-folks and for AS/QX-people. First, has anyone got any info or ideas on what the next year or so will see from AS/QX in SAN? I remain disappointed with AS here, having seen them start and stop (multiple times) service to SFO, YVR, BOI. They (at least for right now) have a monopoly on their PDX and SEA routes, and share their once daily SJD and QX-GEG routes with competitors. And that's it.
I assume there was some cost involved in getting that 3rd gate last year (moving F9/YX, remodeling the gate area, higher lease payments) so they must have had a reason for doing it. Perhaps it was just to start the SAN-SFO route? (AS/QX peaked at 19 flights/day last summer when the SFO service was still op'ing.)
Maybe (and I did hear rumors about this) QX was/is going to pretty much use gate 18 for expanded service out of SAN? More Mexico routes -- AS and/or QX -- coming? How about AS to HNL from here? Might AS apply for a SAN-DCA exemption to compliment their exclusive LA-DC route? Any other ideas?
Finally, if AS is finished with their (attempt at) SAN growth, will/should they "give back" a gate? Or can the airport people just "take" one and turn it into a generic, or CUTE gate, or just turn it over to WN or AC? Is it worth it to AS to keep paying for it even if it's basically unused, just so nobody else can have it?
Any thoughts/ideas/information/rumors about Alaska at Lindbergh or about the gate situation would be appreciated.
AirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2370 times:
Quoting SANFan (Thread starter): AS/QX today run a whopping 13 flights a day out of these 3 gates; it will balloon to 14 flights in June!
If it were 15 flights per day, then that would be only one flight per gate every 5 hours. Hardly any use at all! They could realistically do that number of flights out of two gates if the timings were correct.
Lindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3087 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2055 times:
bb, it would make sense for Horizon to move into some of the inter-California markets currently flown by XJet if the latter airline fails or seriously restructures. I think the Dash-8 would be well-suited for flights to such destinations as FAT and MRY, better than the ERJ-145s. Otherwise, I'm not sure where Alaska could or should go from SAN.
Then maybe they do want to keep Gate 18 as a QX "base"; right now it's seeing a grand total of 1 flight a day (to GEG)! I certainly could foresee Horizon flying to FAT (perhaps regardless of what the future of XE is), plus, if they feel like a fight with WN, RNO, SMF, TUS; longshots, and dependent on what happens with XE, might be STS, SBA, PSP, BUR, or even LAX (op'ing their own metal on a regular shuttle like they run PDX-SEA, rather than the code share with Eagle?)
And heading south, to Loreto, La Paz, Guaymas, or MZT, could possibly work. (I would love to see AS mainline metal fly to MZT, PVR, GDL, and MEX some day but I'm not gonna hold my breath.)
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1867 times:
The Alaska gates are well underutilized. 18 was returned to AS (I believe they have the master lease) when they started SFO flights. Alaska should look to contracting opportunities to increase gate revenue if they can't grow on their own. How about moving US Airways to 16 to 18 and moving Alaska to Terminal 2? Keep the Star Alliance carriers together. I know United often borrows an Alaska gate during irregular operations. Scuttlebutt at the airport is that United is expanding its lobby real estate and taking over the old Frontier counter and bag room. That would eliminate counter space for a third carrier using the gates down there.
WhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 636 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 3): bb, it would make sense for Horizon to move into some of the inter-California markets currently flown by XJet if the latter airline fails or seriously restructures. I think the Dash-8 would be well-suited for flights to such destinations as FAT and MRY, better than the ERJ-145s. Otherwise, I'm not sure where Alaska could or should go from SAN.
No question that QX would be welcomed in FAT should XE fail. QX is a great airline as is Alaska. QX does respond to economic incentives. Given that FAT-SAN is the #10 O&D market and growing, I could see the Fresno airport making an offer.
EIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1540 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1740 times:
It wouldn't surprise me to see AS start to some additional Mexico service from SAN. However, I suspect new flights would be QX, rather than AS, operated. I could also see AS adding another san-sea flight.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4967 posts, RR: 15 Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1735 times:
Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 8): Given that FAT-SAN is the #10 O&D market and growing, I could see the Fresno airport making an offer
I certainly do not want to be pounding nails in an XE coffin. Now that travelers have had a taste of air service between SAN and FAT, I think the numbers will really start growing. We all realize there is a great amount of leakage between the 2 cities (what with that big mass of population half way between) and many still stay on the ground to get from one to the other. As long as schedules are frequent (and reliable) enough, and fares reasonable, it should work.
And it seems to be working pretty well for XE. Yet, even with their 2 flights a day, they don't have all 1-day-trip possibilities covered. Maybe they will add a third r/t to increase the options; I'd love to see that.
And I am kind of surprised that QX, given what they did in the BOI/GEG-SAN market once XE started the route, hasn't already jumped on SAN-FAT... It sounds like a perfect market for 3 or 4 daily, well-timed r/t on a right-sized a/c.