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Turkish Aviation January 2008 Part 2  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Turkish Aviation - Jan 2008 (by Bahadir Dec 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Please continue here from where we left off.

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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

By the way, Sunekspress getting new planes?
I just saw that TC-SUZ is about to be delivered.
I can't seem to remember, was there an order?
Thanks.

User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3132 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):

As far as I can remember they will get upt to three new 738 this year. They will operate 13 738 and 4 757 this summer.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Are they brand new planes? I couldn't find the order.
How about the 738 that went to TK, are they getting it back?
Thanks
In March 17th, 2007 they ordered two 738s, I finally found.

[Edited 2008-01-24 10:56:15]

User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 3045 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 3):
Are they brand new planes? I couldn't find the order.
How about the 738 that went to TK, are they getting it back?
Thanks
In March 17th, 2007 they ordered two 738s, I finally found.

The lease was extended for another six month, think it will be returned in june? Beside of the twonew 738, they are also in the market for second-hand Aircraft.

Cant find the article now, but as fa as I remeber they will base 2 A/C in SAW, 5 in ADB and 10 in AYT this summer. Will look for that.

User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 3034 times:



Quoting TKfan (Reply 4):
Cant find the article now, but as fa as I remeber they will base 2 A/C in SAW, 5 in ADB and 10 in AYT this summer. Will look for that.

wasn't that an article in airporthaber.com (with announcing new SAW ops?)

User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

SunExpress is getting one frame in March fom Seattle. I don't work in Boeing any more, so i cannot access the delivery schedule as i was able to 3 months ago.


Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 2996 times:



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 5):

thought that too, but couldnt find, neither on www.airhaber.com, unfortunately they have no search function.
another great site to keep track of Turkish carriers fleet is www.ucakbilgi.com (despite the technical info about the aeroplanes Big grin )

User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

Thinks that make you go 'what?".
Sabiha Gokcen arrival..

H9 036 PEGASUS DENVER / STAPLETON INTERNATIONAL, CO., CO***2 00:30 00:30 26/01/2008


Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

TKfan,
Thanks for the KIX, ICN info.

Also, I am as usual excited and wanted to share it with you. Just got my tix for my usual spring trip to Turkey. I was able to get DL nonstop JFK-IST for $722 in May and already booked exit row seats both directions. Last year I paid $888 for the same ticket. Looking at the seat map on DL.com the plane is 95%empty both directions, midweek flights.

It has been a few years that I can't afford to fly TK anymore. DL beats TK by few hundred dollars every time.
How can TK get away with this?
-Is it because, Turks fly TK no matter what and willing to pay more? (I doubt it)
-Better TK product? IFE? Food and Beverage better, free? Better pitch? (I doubt it also)
Any ideas?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Generally TK does not need to price too aggressively to NY especially into the summer as loads are very strong. Winters they can be a little difficult on loads and do see some good specials as a result.

I am curious to see however how things will work out this summer as TK has rescheduled the JFK departure to 4pm, pretty much eliminating West Coast feed while also not having the AA code-share any longer either. I know their focus is for the flight is now more on local O&D traffic with ORD and eventual IAD flights being the driven by US connections.

[Edited 2008-01-25 09:55:23]


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 2913 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 9):
DL beats TK by few hundred dollars every time.
How can TK get away with this?

I think they get a lot of connecting traffic from Turkey, Middle East and Central Asia, same with AA as LAXintl said, feed the flight with US travellers.
Delta or Skyteam travellers have the option to transfer from CDG, MXP, FCO.

I think this is the main reason, besides TK has certainly a better Product

User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

I dont know if anyone of you noticed this thread World Focus Now Ankair especially their livery is great!!!!

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=4412

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2826 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 9):
booked exit row seats both directions.

So here is a question;
How is TK's online ticketing these days? Since I haven't flown them for a while, as far as I know you can't make seat selections, correct? It was some crazy system that after you purchase your ticket, you have to wait till you are 3 months from your departure to be able to make seat reservations, by phone only. Is that still the same? With the Star A we should expect that to change I hope.
How about Credit card payments? Do you still have to receive a fax, fill it out, and fax it back to TK?
Thanks.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

The new TK logo?
I thought this might be just for the ESB based TK2, but it looks like they have changed the logo on their website, and logo pages;
http://www.thy.com/ (See the old on the plane, and the new at the top)

I actually don't mind it.

User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2803 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 14):

Now as you mention it, I had to look again carefully, you are right. I recognized a change but didnt know what. There seems to be a grey/silver circle around the logo, guess i was fixed on that.

now i remember it was always a red circle and red bird (Crane)

User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2797 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 14):
The new TK logo?

Pity, like the old one

http://www.thy.com/tr-TR/corporate/n...m/kurumsal_iletisim/eski_logo.aspx


new:  bored 

http://www.thy.com/tr-TR/corporate/n...m/kurumsal_iletisim/yeni_logo.aspx

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

The reason it made me take a closer look was an ad in the New York Times Travel section today. There is almost a half page ad for Turkish Tourism, and as usual Turkish Airlines logo and numbers at the bottom, the new logo.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2773 times:

Here it is:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Irfan Caliskan - AirTeamImages



User currently offlineAirmaillabel From Turkey, joined Dec 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

The change is not only the silver circle, it's like the negative of the old logo: now the background is red, not white.
It looks strange on a red tail tail Sad

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2742 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
I am curious to see however how things will work out this summer as TK has rescheduled the JFK departure to 4pm, pretty much eliminating West Coast feed while also not having the AA code-share any longer either.

Well, DL flight leaves at 4:30pm also, so West Coast folks either spend a night in NYC, or make their one stop someplace in Europe till ORD goes daily.

User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

TK's website and their pricing sucks. I was shopping around for some IST-SEA flights one way. Expedia.com gives me daily options through both JFK and ORD but thy.com doesn't even bother with JFK connection. (This is for April where departure is still around 11 am).
In addition the price from expedia is 938 USD where TK gives me $1300..
I think part of the problem is turkish people don't book these travels through the website, but they either call the airline or the travel agent.


Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2673 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 20):
Well, DL flight leaves at 4:30pm also, so West Coast folks either spend a night in NYC, or make their one stop someplace in Europe till ORD goes daily.

DL's 430pm departure still works for West Coasters - DL has arrivals into JFK from LAX,SFO,SEA at 334pm, 331pm and 335pm respectively which might be a little tight but are legal connections never the less.

Potential IAD flight should have a departure around 600pm dependent on what TK works out with UA and should be much better for West Coast folks.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 17):
The reason it made me take a closer look was an ad in the New York Times Travel section today. There is almost a half page ad for Turkish Tourism

Turkey this week kicked off a tourism campaign in the US, which includes TV commercials as well. Keep your eyes open particularly during the evening and late night news.
You should also see Turkey booths in many local travel shows including in the upcoming LA Times show Feb 9th and 10th in Long Beach, CA - which happens to be the largest annual show on the West Coast.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineUzzzer From Ukraine, joined Dec 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Cheers from Ukraine!

Does anyone know the details on TK announcement about launching LWO (Lviv, Ukraine). How many frequencies, what type of metal, how would those flights be connected?

Many thanks!

User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2640 times:



Quoting Uzzzer (Reply 23):
Cheers from Ukraine!

Does anyone know the details on TK announcement about launching LWO (Lviv, Ukraine). How many frequencies, what type of metal, how would those flights be connected?

Many thanks!

No details yet, I assume it will start with two weekly as the previously launched new routes to Ukraine, and increased once the demand is there.

I d thought Harkov would see flights before.... might also come in the near future as there is lots of traffic between UKR and TR

25 TKfan: Does anyone know the range difference between Turkish Airlines 340-311 and 340-313X??? I think the -313X stands for Extended Range. TKs website shows
26 TK787: 313x's has the CFM 5C4 engines with more thrust, and also MTOW is 5 tons higher, but the range of them could be similar to 311s.
27 Post contains images TK787: What EXPO decals on the -JGM, I can't read?
28 Post contains links and images TKfan: LOL, You are not only reading the thread but check daily the Photobase? I think they want to promote the EXPO Canditature of Izmir for 2015 http://ww
29 Wing: I was kind of hoping a bigger support on behalf of THY to Expo İzmir.There were decals for "12 Dev Adam", Football players and even Galatasaray.I thi
30 TK380: Yesterday I flew on TK ISTADBIST. Lots of food, which you can never expect from a European carrier. I think soon TK will be a 5 star airline. Furtherm
31 TK787: Yes TK is on the right track, but 5 stars is wishful thinking. Just look at some of the 4 star airlines to realize where TK is. I can go on and on ab
32 TKfan: I think a bit too late... The decision is in march and it seems Milan will get it ....
33 TKfan: Turkish Airlines partly leave their domestic operations out of SAW to Sun Express. I think it will be easy for Sun Express to take over the operations
34 TK787: It is getting pretty crowded over there: -TK2 is starting out of ESB -XQ now has 3 hubs? (AYT, ADB, SAW) -TK stays with only IST In theory it looks go
35 Post contains images TKfan: You are right, according to the article in Airporthaber, XQ plans also SAW-HAJ, SAW-NUE and out of ADB flights to ARN, CDG, OSL. More connections out
36 Post contains links LAXintl: Dont know if you guys have heard about the drama at TK's corporate office earlier. http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1201685938.html
37 Post contains links OA260: Dont know if this was discussed before but TK are selling 2 A310's http://www.thy.com/download/ihale/SALE_PROSPECTUS_FOR_MSN496.pdf http://www.thy.com
38 Stylo777: very interesting, thought they want to convert them all into freighters. do they say the selling price? didn't find it in the .pdf...
39 Post contains images TKfan: read it half an hour ago, mixed feelings, but more sad Love the 310
40 TK787: Thanks, sooner than expected. I would have guessed by next winter but not now. Looks like they want to get rid of them before some maintenance issues
41 OA260: Yes me too, I loved the TK A310's. My first flight on TK was IST-LHR on an A310. I had a airline staff ticket on BA and decided to see if TK would ta
42 TK380: Sad to see the A310 leaving TK fleet. I flew it from IST to FRA, DUS, ORY, BRU, ROM, MXP, TLV and many domestic destinations. It is my favorite aircra
43 OA260: TK had an office in Frankfurt near to the Main train station but there is no mention of it on their website!! Does anyone know if it is still there???
44 TKfan: I m still sad..... Pity I have never flown on their A310.... they are rarely deployed to Berlin. They had, it was a big and prestigious sales office,
45 TK380: Yes, it was near the main train station of FRANKFURT and a very nice one. Their current office on the 1st floor does not do ticketing. Once I was the
46 OA260: So the sales one on the 1st floor is still there then?? Its on the right as you come out of the main train station entrance near to Olympic Airways o
47 Post contains images TKfan: True, it was a great fun for me to collect all their timetables and promotional stuff when I was a kid . Nowadays they neither have such offices, nor
48 Bahadir: Sun Express' 737-800 is out of the factory with green primer on it. If they paint it in Renton before I leave for Turkey i will snap a picture and pos
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