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Pinnacle To Get More CRJ-900s For Delta?  
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

One of my friends was telling he he'd heard that Pinnacle will be getting an additional 15 CRJ-900s for Delta (added to the 16 already planned, making a total of 31). Does anyone know if this is true? If so, anyone have a link to confirm it?

If its not true, is Pinnacle slated to stay at only 16?

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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

I would prefer to see these go to ASA! Seems as though ASA has gotten screwed in the 900 department. Even Freedom has them!


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3230 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 1):
I would prefer to see these go to ASA! Seems as though ASA has gotten screwed in the 900 department. Even Freedom has them!

its not up to DL or EV.......OO picks who gets them so if DL gives OO 20 CR9s OO will pick who gets them and it looks like EV gets nothing and OO gets the new planes



yep.
User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3213 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 1):
I would prefer to see these go to ASA! Seems as though ASA has gotten screwed in the 900 department.

 Sad

sorry, but any one else besides EV.


User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

If they are getting larger planes maybe they are taking them from Mesa.....perhaps DL is going to drop them all together.


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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3190 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Thread starter):
he'd heard that Pinnacle will be getting an additional 15 CRJ-900s for Delta

I wonder if these planes will be used to replace mainline service at places like MOB? I wish for continued mainline service, but I am not optimistic when the MD88's are gas-guzzlers and loads are sub 70%. Two CR9's a day total 152 seats (compared to one MD-88 at 142 seats) and would likely produce an increase in loads because of the increased frequency. Would this result in more first class seats?


User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3171 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
its not up to DL or EV.......OO picks who gets them so if DL gives OO 20 CR9s OO will pick who gets them and it looks like EV gets nothing and OO gets the new planes

And the last time DL gave CR9's to OO to hand out was? They had nothing to 9E's CR9 order. They got them all by themselves from Bombardier.


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Sounds like Mesa might get dropped from DL and DL will transfer the -900's from Freedom to Pinnacle. DL owns and purchased the -900's that 9E and Freedom (Mesa for DL only) operates. DL has already stated that they would like to reduce the amount of DL Connection carriers if they don't perform to DL standards. Source for that was the town hall metting.


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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3128 times:



Quoting A380fo (Reply 3):


sorry, but any one else besides EV.

Yeah well sorry to you, ASA deserves some.



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3091 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 7):
Sounds like Mesa might get dropped from DL and DL will transfer the -900's from Freedom to Pinnacle. DL owns and purchased the -900's that 9E and Freedom (Mesa for DL only) operates. DL has already stated that they would like to reduce the amount of DL Connection carriers if they don't perform to DL standards. Source for that was the town hall metting.

How many CRJ-900s does Freedom fly for Delta? If this were to happen, what would the time frame be?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3085 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 8):
Yeah well sorry to you, ASA deserves some.

ASA is Skywest, and my guess is that when the former ASA employees pull their heads from their asses and start delivering ontime performance that Skywest's management will offer them increased flying.

NS


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3047 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
ASA is Skywest, and my guess is that when the former ASA employees pull their heads from their asses and start delivering ontime performance that Skywest's management will offer them increased flying.

I'm aware that OO owns EV but the performance comes down to many things, now DL handles ALL ground support in ATL, plus old and little ground support equipment (ie: huffer carts, gpu's & a/c carts), along with inferior gates and space coupled with the "world's busiest airport. Have any thoughts on how DL and/or ASA can improve? ASA basically provides little more than pilots, FA's and maintenance. We are still one of if not the most profitable regional airline in the country, bags and ground handling are no longer "our" fault.



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User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2957 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
ASA is Skywest, and my guess is that when the former ASA employees pull their heads from their asses and start delivering ontime performance that Skywest's management will offer them increased flying.

HELL YEA!

Its all EV. They're making the folks at OO look horrible. And OO is a strong company.


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2938 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 9):
How many CRJ-900s does Freedom fly for Delta? If this were to happen, what would the time frame be?

Last time I checked, 2 were flying, and 12 still on order. So that makes 14.


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2918 times:



Quoting A380fo (Reply 12):
Its all EV. They're making the folks at OO look horrible.

How so? Our CEO is an ex-OO employee along with OO owning us I guess it's really OO's problem then wouldn't you say? If EV is so bad why would OO buy us then? Also EV makes $$$ so does OO. DL is the problem along with our facilities that's a fact along with past management. Things will change and now it's time for our new leader to see how he can make this run better I wish him luck. If you think EV is horrible look at Mesa (Freedom) what have they done right?



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2742 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 11):
I'm aware that OO owns EV but the performance comes down to many things, now DL handles ALL ground support in ATL, plus old and little ground support equipment (ie: huffer carts, gpu's & a/c carts), along with inferior gates and space coupled with the "world's busiest airport. Have any thoughts on how DL and/or ASA can improve? ASA basically provides little more than pilots, FA's and maintenance. We are still one of if not the most profitable regional airline in the country, bags and ground handling are no longer "our" fault.

Be that as it may, didn't DL just "absorb" all those EV employees and call them DL employees instead of firing them?



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2673 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
ASA is Skywest, and my guess is that when the former ASA employees pull their heads from their asses and start delivering ontime performance that Skywest's management will offer them increased flying.

There are no "former ASA empolyees". They are both still operating as seperate companies and outside of Atlanta, ASA empolyees is just that, ASA.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 11):
I'm aware that OO owns EV but the performance comes down to many things, now DL handles ALL ground support in ATL, plus old and little ground support equipment (ie: huffer carts, gpu's & a/c carts), along with inferior gates and space coupled with the "world's busiest airport. Have any thoughts on how DL and/or ASA can improve? ASA basically provides little more than pilots, FA's and maintenance. We are still one of if not the most profitable regional airline in the country, bags and ground handling are no longer "our" fault.

Exactly, and if some of these wanna be aviation enthusists pulled their heads out of their asses and actually understood how ASA and Delta's contract works, they would understand that the down-falls of our operation in Atlanta was Delta's own faults. (Now, I'm talking in the time period when we handled our own aircraft in Atlanta) During IROP days, DELTA would be the one to push our aircraft to the bottom of departure lists to get their aircraft out. Does this makes sense? Yes, because it's better to get a fully loaded 757 out than an ATR with 30 people on it. It was DELTA's idea to cram our DFW operation into Atlanta. With 3 CRJ's parked at ONE gate, how did you expect our gate agents to peform? I can tell you, a lot of us genuinely cared about getting our flights our on time; loading as fast as we could then jumping in another bin to get that one out on time; RUSHING bags on our flights that MISSED on a mainline flight. Guess what. Because it was routed electronically on our flight from Delta and we missed it because it came into our bag room 10 minutes before it's suppose to push, that's our fault and the number reflects on EV and not DL.

I left ASA right around the time they started to make in-roads as far as infastructure goes. Delta didn't do a damn thing for ASA as far as improvements. They sat back and watched the $$$ roll in, all the while, performance began to slip. It was with our own money that we used to hire over 300 people back in September '06 to restart the Eastern bagroom. It was our own money that we used to buy the blue "Delta Connection" ramps (BTW, the hideous covered walkways that aren't even used anymore that began to fall apart a year after they were bought was Delta's idea). It was our money that we used to restore the GSE shot to what it was back in the early '90's and put in orders for new tugs and the little flight PDA things that you may see on all tugs in Atlanta today.

Quoting A380fo (Reply 12):
HELL YEA!

Its all EV. They're making the folks at OO look horrible. And OO is a strong company.

Once again. Ignorance to what's going on. And you statement is baseless and just sounds like bashing to me. SkyWest knew exactly what they were getting themselves into when they bought ASA. You think they don't watch the news? They didn't know what our statistics were? It's all about the dollars pal. They don't give a piss about anything else, especially ASA employees.

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 15):
Be that as it may, didn't DL just "absorb" all those EV employees and call them DL employees instead of firing them?

True to an extent. A lot of people were actually dropped and replaced with current Delta personnel But those that were former ASA and now wearing a Delta uniform had to submit an application and be re-interviewd.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Ok, now back to the topic.

Delta's whole "let's let every regional fly for us" strategy has logic behind it. First, it isn't/wasn't a very good idea to have one carrier dominate your regional flying. They learned that lesson with Comair and their pilot group. So at all the hubs, there is still dominance by a particualr carrier i.e. ASA-ATL, Comair-CVG, SkyWest-SLC, but you'll see that a lot of routes from these hubs are operated by multiple airlines. Just a sense of security I guess. Not to mention, you have a bunch of people bidding against each other, thus driving down the amount of money you have to pay for the contract flying.



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2611 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
ASA is Skywest, and my guess is that when the former ASA employees pull their heads from their asses and start delivering ontime performance that Skywest's management will offer them increased flying.

OO will continue to get any new -700 and -900 flying as long as EV maintains a CRJ scale based on number of seats. OO gets more aircraft because their non-union pay structure is more profitable.


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