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How Is Porter Airlines Doing?  
User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

Anyone know how Porter Airlines is doing, and what loads and yields are like out of YTZ? Has anyone flown them and what is their service/inflight experience like on their Q400s? Also, how is their terminal at YTZ itself?


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User currently offlineBriboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

Hi

You might want to check out these Trip Reports:
Porter Airlines April 2007 With Picture Link (by Carfield Apr 30 2007 in Trip Reports)
Porter Airlines YTZ-YOW-YTZ Pics N Vid (by NorthStarDC4M Nov 21 2006 in Trip Reports)
Porter Airlines YTZ-YOW-YTZ Pics N Vid (by NorthStarDC4M Nov 21 2006 in Trip Reports)

They are also planning service to NYC, given their "teaser ad" they ran in NYC and YTO:

Big version: Width: 305 Height: 604 File size: 16kb


-Brian



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User currently offlineBravo1Six From Canada, joined Dec 2007, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

How they're doing - They are a private company so it's hard to say, but they are taking delivery of two more Q400s in February.

Loads/yields - No clue.

Flight experience - Impeccable. The aircraft itself is a fabulous experience and noise levels even right at the props/engines are low enough that you can carry on a conversation at a normal volume with a person across the aisle. The thing climbs like a homesick angel, and all flights I've been on were smooth despite the lower flight level. In flight service is very good, female FA's are younger and on the better looking side of the curve. Block time YTZ-YUL/YUL-YTZ is faster than a jet out of YYZ, plus you don't need to deal with the "please arrive at the airport 1 hour early" hassle or the traffic out to/in from Pearson.

Terminal - Some parts still under construction when I was last there, but their departure lounge is very good.


User currently offlineAAmd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5123 times:



Quoting Bravo1Six (Reply 2):
Terminal - Some parts still under construction when I was last there, but their departure lounge is very good.

The expanded terminal space opens on Monday, as far as I understand it.

I flew today, and the exterior looks complete... I think that's been the case for a while now, but an agent at YTZ told me it was open early next week.

As for the new aircraft LQF and LQG, at least one will be entering the fleet before Feb 19th, at which point YOW service is ramped up to 13 daily (weekday) flights until the end of March. Then, in April, once the new aircraft are settled into the fleet, EWR service will begin - no word yet on frequency, but we do know that it'll be to Terminal B, and that the staff will be Porter employees (making it a proper base, unlike YHZ which is contracted out).  Smile


User currently offlineYHU From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

With the arrival of the new aircraft, YHZ service will also be ramped up to also include some weekday flights until the EWR service kicks in. There will also be two more aircraft due for delivery around September.

User currently offlineAAmd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4867 times:



Quoting YHU (Reply 4):
With the arrival of the new aircraft, YHZ service will also be ramped up to also include some weekday flights until the EWR service kicks in. There will also be two more aircraft due for delivery around September.

There's long been the availability of daily YTZ-YOW-YHZ service during the spring break - it's been on offer since late last year, and didn't seem dependent upon additional aircraft being introduced to the fleet (originally, the spring break period called for one of the YOW-YTZ runs to be switched for a YOW-YHZ).

Obviously, with extra aircraft, it's easier to work this into the schedule, but I think it's something they were always planning on doing - with the current fleet of four if required.


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4840 times:
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Quoting Osprey88 (Thread starter):
Has anyone flown them and what is their service/inflight experience like on their Q400s?

Excellent! The flight crew are nice and the uniforms make a nice change from those other airlines..., some free alcoholic drinks, leather seats, quiet. Flight times YTZ-YOW were actually LESS than Air Canada YYZ-YOW when i flew them.

Quoting Osprey88 (Thread starter):
Also, how is their terminal at YTZ itself?

The lounge is, seriously, better than half the so called premium/business class lounges i've been in. Free internet, free soft drinks/bottle water/coffee, snacks, comfy seating... only bad thing would be the lack of view as the only windows present a very limited view of the airport apron.

If you live in downtown Toronto or are going to downtown, Porter is by far the best option... it will save at least an hour vs YYZ each trip... and more like 2 hours most of the time. Only drawback is the ferry, but with the new one you don't really go outside once you enter the ferry terminal at the foot of Bathurst.



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User currently offlineYHU From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

YHZ is only weekend service outside of summer, christmas holidays and March break. During regular YOW and YUL frequencies and with the current 4 aircraft, YHZ is a no go during the week.

For example, on March 26th (after March break) there are 11 YTZ-YOW flights each direction, with one flight continuing on to YHZ. The only reason this is possible is with the arrival of new aircraft. If you note, during the Christmas period YHZ was during the week as well (three times a day), but YOW and YUL service to YTZ was decreased to allow for aircraft availability to YHZ. After March break, they're able to offer more YHZ service, without bringing YOW below 10 or YUL below 9 per week day. Right now, during a week day, every aircraft is under constant usage used on YTZ-YOW/YUL.


User currently offlineAAmd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4603 times:



Quoting YHU (Reply 7):
For example, on March 26th (after March break) there are 11 YTZ-YOW flights each direction, with one flight continuing on to YHZ. The only reason this is possible is with the arrival of new aircraft.

That's pre-Newark. You're right... the additional aircraft will allow for YHZ service during the week of the 26th, while maintaining a strong YOW-YTZ frequency...

But come April 1st, when EWR is going to start, that'll change. Daily YHZ has to be a short term proposition because come April 1st, EWR and the 7 daily flights it'll be getting, will tie the new aircraft up - putting the fleet back where it was, with two aircraft per destination.

Rumour has it, EWR will be 7x daily. No spare aircraft for a daily trip to YHZ - not without sacrificing an afternoon YTZ/YOW run or two. YHZ will revert to weekend service, until the summer. It'll be interesting to see, come the end of June, whether YUL will be getting any YHZ service as it had last year, or if it'll all head through YOW as it did during the holiday period.  Smile


User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4556 times:

Any ideas about what U.S. cities they are going to fly to next and when? I know that they said they wanted to do PHL, NYC area BOS and some other cities when they first started, but I haven't heard anything about U.S. expansion besides EWR.

User currently offlineYhu From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4452 times:



Quoting AAmd11 (Reply 8):
That's pre-Newark. You're right... the additional aircraft will allow for YHZ service during the week of the 26th, while maintaining a strong YOW-YTZ frequency...

Exactly. The additional YHZ and YOW service is to have the new aircraft running for about 30-60 days before starting the EWR flights.


User currently offlineAAmd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4430 times:



Quoting Yhu (Reply 10):
The additional YHZ and YOW service is to have the new aircraft running for about 30-60 days before starting the EWR flights.

First additional YHZ leaves YOW at 11:20 on Fri 7 March. Then there's the usual 20:20 that night, too (returning Saturday morning). There's no YOW-YHZ on Saturday during this period, oddly enough. Sunday there's the usual YHZ return, but this time it's leaving at 15:50 (as during the holiday schedule).

The Monday, March 10, is the first full week of additional YHZ. Weekday flights leaving at 11:20 and a Sunday flight at 15:50. Sunday March 30 marks the end of the 'daily' period. So the additional YHZ service lasts about 3 weeks.

After this period, the Sunday YHZ service remains at the later departure time (15:50) instead of reverting to the 14:20 departure as at present.  Smile


User currently offlineYHU From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Yippers. I think it's due to the gap of the two aircraft arriving. The YOW goes up to 13 flights a day in mid Feb aprox.

User currently offlineAAmd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4375 times:



Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 9):
Any ideas about what U.S. cities they are going to fly to next and when? I know that they said they wanted to do PHL, NYC area BOS and some other cities when they first started, but I haven't heard anything about U.S. expansion besides EWR.

I'm putting money on Boston and Chicago being the next two U.S. destinations.

Which one first, and which airports in particular, I've no idea... is MDW more likely than ORD? I'm not familiar with the Chicago area, so I don't know which airport would better suit their needs.


User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Route talk is all very nice, but gives absolutely no indication of how they're actually doing (the original question).

User currently offlineAAmd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4170 times:



Quoting Multimark (Reply 14):
Route talk is all very nice, but gives absolutely no indication of how they're actually doing (the original question).

Quite right.

As far as I understand it, based on personal observations and anecdotal evidence, they're doing quite well. Obviously we don't have real load factor figures, as they're not published... but I've seen plenty of their flights coming into Ottawa with plenty of people on board. Friday evening's 1830 arrival, for example, must have been essentially full - there must have been close to 70 passengers coming off that plane. They won't have all been on cheap tickets, either... Porter's prices rise pretty quickly, so even after just a handful of seats have been sold, the prices rise significantly. So when the aircraft is full, you can bet there's a fair number of people who spent over $300 base airfare, even more if they've opted for a flexible/freedom ticket. The $100 change fee they charge for firm passengers to hop on an earlier flight must also help generate revenue.

Still, there's doubtless other flights which don't look so peachy (late morning flights, for one), but it's a positive sign that some of the flights get truly busy. Especially when you consider that the last block of seats on any given flight between YUL/YOW-YTZ retail for $447 + taxes. That's a lot of wonga.

Anyway, as I said, in anecdotal terms, the flights appear to be getting gradually busier as time passes... and that's probably not due to any dirt cheap promotions, because there just aren't any.  Smile


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