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How Airports Deal With New Schengen Zone?  
User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

There are 9 new countries which entered the Schengen travel area in 2007: the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia, although their airports are yet to implement the new "rules" by March 2008.

Is there any info regarding airlines changing terminals due to this? or airports needing to change their layouts to assign a pier to Schengen flights?

Some airports simply don't have domestic areas such as Malta and some others such as the ones in Poland or Czech Republic will see a huge grow of "domestic" (read Schengen) flights overnight.

[Edited 2008-01-25 06:51:12]

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User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Hi Guys!

Quoting Aisak (Thread starter):

I already asked myself how it will be about BUD? How will they change the procedure at T1 and T2?

Best Regards

Tom



Tom from Cologne
User currently offlineBT001 From Latvia, joined Aug 2006, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Land borders are wide open, but there will be passport control in Airports till as far as I can remeber April 1.

Have visited this 2 aiports in Germany and one in Czech Republic this year, went through passport control in each airport both when departing as well as arriving. In one of the German airports was even stopped in customs green corridor asking how much money I have (true answer was - EUR10), if I have some credit cards etc.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3601 times:



Quoting Aisak (Thread starter):
Is there any info regarding airlines changing terminals due to this? or airports needing to change their layouts to assign a pier to Schengen flights?

Most likely. Airside, just move all "schengen" flights to one side of the terminal, and all "non-schengen" flights to the other side, and put passport control in the middle. You still need to clear customs on Schengen flights just like you do from non-Schengen flights so that part of the airport suffers no change.


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3565 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 3):
You still need to clear customs on Schengen flights just like you do from non-Schengen flights so that part of the airport suffers no change.

I don't get that. When I travel within the shengen countries by car the border control stations were completely ripped out. I once flew to MAD from FRA and it was like a domestic U.S. flight with no arrival formalities. IIRC FRA has a schengen concorse and a seperate security control.


User currently offlineTANS From Czech Republic, joined May 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

In PRG all Schengen flights will depart from the 'new' Terminal 2. This has been pretty much the case since it was built, so there won't be practically any changes.

All other flights will continue flying from Terminal 1.


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3495 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 4):
IIRC FRA has a schengen concorse and a seperate security control.

At FRA Terminal 1 - Concourse A the main level (floor) is used for departure and arrival of flights within the Schengen zone - the upper level (floor) of the same concourse is used for non-Schengen flghts including the U.S. The two levels make use of the same contact or bus gates.

Some gates at T1- Concourse B are for Schengen flights. These are reachable via the connecting tunnel between concourses A and B. The remainder of gates at T1B are non-schengen traffic (incl. the U.K.).
Haven't used T1C in recent years, but mainly longhaul-a/c are using this area.
T2 must be seperated into two zones, but I haven't used it for departing or arriving yet.

If I am not mistaken, also MUC T2 seperates Schengen and non-Schengen (departing) traffic on seperate levels (floors) operating into the same contact or bus gates.

Quoting Aisak (Thread starter):
Is there any info regarding airlines changing terminals due to this? or airports needing to change their layouts to assign a pier to Schengen flights?

While not in March 2008, ZRH will have to change ops drastically as soon as Switzerland joins the Schengen zone expected for ca. November 2008. At present only minimal domestic ops are carried out to GVA and LUG, everything else is "international & non--Schengen"

My homebase of HAJ has only very few flights to these new members of Schengen zone: up to once daily to WAW and twice daily PRG. Many of HAJ's gates can be used for either Schengen or non-Schengen flights. This can be changed even throughout the course of a day on a flight-by-flight basis.

Quoting Aisak (Thread starter):
Some airports simply don't have domestic areas such as Malta

How are helicopter flights to the island of Gozo handled at present ?
-HT



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User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3449 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 6):
Haven't used T1C in recent years, but mainly longhaul-a/c are using this area

Hi

I travelled through FRA lately and really liked the main floor area. However, when I went for my connection (to the UK) to T1 C, it felt as if it was a different airport. (Old and worn out furniture and temporary walls etc)

I think there was a kind of refurbishment going on in the corridors on my way to T1C. Is this to be brought up to T1A standard soon?



CY@Uk
User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3667 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3432 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 6):
If I am not mistaken, also MUC T2 seperates Schengen and non-Schengen (departing) traffic on seperate levels (floors) operating into the same contact or bus gates.

For the most part MUC works that way. G-gates (main level) are Schengen and H-gates (upper level) are non-Schengen. However, there is a part on the further end of the G-gates where I see boarding pass and passport checks, but did not venture to that part of the airport.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

What about the possible temporary suspension of Schengen for Euro 2008? How will the new Schengen countries manage that in airports?

User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3387 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 4):
I once flew to MAD from FRA and it was like a domestic U.S. flight with no arrival formalities.

Well, here in Europe we have customs at every airport. So still anyone flying MAD-FRA without those green edges at the baggage tags would have to choose whether go thru the green lane (nothing to declare) or fill in a declaration for customs.

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 4):
IIRC FRA has a schengen concorse and a seperate security control.

Yes, that's the point. Airports which have been in the Schengen area for years have already huge departures&arrivals areas for the sizeable Schengen/domestic operation. The problem I see with these other airports is the sudden change from 90% international vs 10% domestic to 30% International vs. 70% domestic&Shengen.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 3):
Most likely. Airside, just move all "schengen" flights to one side of the terminal, and all "non-schengen" flights to the other side, and put passport control in the middle.

Yes. That'd be likely the best and least complicated way of doing it. Removing the passport control at the entrance and move it to a given gate area. But there's still a problem with arrivals.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 3):
You still need to clear customs on Schengen flights just like you do from non-Schengen flights so that part of the airport suffers no change

Yes, we'll still need to "go through" cumstoms but not through inmigration. That's the key change. So now arrival halls for international flights have inmigration controls for everyone. Now these passengers should have to be routed to a baggage claim hall with no inmigration control (but still customs of course)


User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3371 times:



Quoting CYatUK (Reply 7):
I travelled through FRA lately and really liked the main floor area. However, when I went for my connection (to the UK) to T1 C, it felt as if it was a different airport. (Old and worn out furniture and temporary walls etc)

I think there was a kind of refurbishment going on in the corridors on my way to T1C. Is this to be brought up to T1A standard soon?

They are working on it. But it takes time since all the renovation is done while Concourse C is still in use. I think the goal is eventually to stretch Concourse C so that it connects with Terminal 2. The next big change will come as soon Terminal 3 is done (planed to be in 2020). It might happen that Lufthansa takes over completely Terminal 1 with all three concourses. Anyway that are just rumors.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3667 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3349 times:



Quoting Aisak (Reply 10):
So still anyone flying MAD-FRA without those green edges at the baggage tags would have to choose whether go thru the green lane (nothing to declare) or fill in a declaration for customs.

So there is a meaning behind the baggage tags with green edges? I did not know that, just thought it was a non-US thing to be more interesting. Thanks!



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3309 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
What about the possible temporary suspension of Schengen for Euro 2008? How will the new Schengen countries manage that in airports?

If flights to Switzerland and Austria during Euro 2008 football ("soccer" to the Americans) European Cup, cannot be handled at non-Schengen areas for any given originating aírport, why not simply put a passport check next to the departure gate ... ?
-HT



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3166 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 4):
I don't get that. When I travel within the shengen countries by car the border control stations were completely ripped out. I once flew to MAD from FRA and it was like a domestic U.S. flight with no arrival formalities. IIRC FRA has a schengen concorse and a seperate security control.

Just because you drive through it doesn't mean there is no customs. I'm sure you've noticed the lines of cargo trucks at the border. You too are required to stop and declare any goods that may be subject to a customs declaration. IMost people don't do it but if an overzealous border patrol ever decides to start stopping cars you better hope you really have nothing to declare  Smile


User currently offlineMal787 From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3159 times:
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Hi All but what is the Schengen zone? I have seen it mentioned but I have no idea

mal787



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3095 times:



Quoting Mal787 (Reply 15):
ll but what is the Schengen zone? I have seen it mentioned but I have no idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
reading the short introduction should be sufficient to get an idea ...
-HT



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User currently offlineMrBrightSide From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2886 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 8):

Those ends are for flights to US... on my regular monthly trip to SFO, I almost always go to G2 gates, pass the "board pass check", followed by security located almost at the gates themselves... very crammed, and usually I stick in lounge for as long as possible...



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3667 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2853 times:



Quoting MrBrightSide (Reply 17):
Those ends are for flights to US... on my regular monthly trip to SFO, I almost always go to G2 gates, pass the "board pass check", followed by security located almost at the gates themselves... very crammed, and usually I stick in lounge for as long as possible..

I'm surprise you wouldn't depart out of H2 rather than G2 for SFO. I thought these were for other EU nations not yet part of the Schengen zone. Interesting!  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2755 times:

For Euro 2008 it would only be Austria suspending Schengen, not all of the participating countries. This has been done before by Germany during the 2006 FIFA World Cup and Portugal during Euro 2004. Such temporary suspensions can be implemented by member states to allow for increased security when sensitive events like these are being held.

Switzerland is not yet in Schengen. The 2 nations have come to an agreement whereby travellers needing visas for both Austria (ie Schengen) and Switzerland will be allowed to enter Switzerland on an Austrian visa during the tournament - apparently Schengen visas issued by other nations would still not be valid for Switzerland. People who need a visa for Austria but not Switzerland will still need to get the Austrian visa if they wanted to travel there and Swiss visas would still not permit travel to Austria.

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