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SAN Reports All-Time High Pax Count In '07  
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Reported yesterday by the SDCRAA:

Quote:
SAN DIEGO -- January 24, 2008 --- San Diego International Airport (SDIA) had its busiest year ever in 2007, with all-time highs reached in the number of passengers and flights served. The numbers make 2007 the fourth consecutive record-breaking year in passenger growth for SDIA.
The airport served 18,326,761 passengers in 2007, a 4.8% increase over the 17,481,942 passengers it served in 2006 -- and the first time in its history that passenger numbers have exceeded 18 million. The number of flights (operations) reported by the airport in 2007 also grew to an all-time high of 227,329 -- a 2.9% increase over the 220,839 operations reported in 2006.

I sure hope the 10-gate expansion opens as planned in 2012; we need it tomorrow!

Not bad numbers for a dinky little one-runway airport in a small unknown Navy town hidden between Mexico and LA!

bb

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

In case anyone (besides me) is interested, I gathered a few additional facts:

> Domestic pax traffic was UP 4.9%;
> Air Freight was DOWN 16.7%;
> WN carried 35% of all pax using Lindbergh (and op'd 34% of all pax and cargo flights at SAN).

> Intl pax traffic was DOWN 1.5%;
> Intl ops and pax carried by both AC and AM were virtually unchanged from 2006 to 2007;
> Intl ops and pax by AS were WAY DOWN in 2007 (due, I presume, to discontinued YVR service);
> Intl ops by F9 were UP in 2007 as compared to 2006 (but still not a major factor in the totals);
> Intl ops by USAir/Mesa were UP in 2007. (But enough to see additional frequency?)

I continue to believe that 2008 will be a good year at Lindbergh, undoubtedly better than 2007!

bb


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3861 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2060 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
In case anyone (besides me) is interested, I gathered a few additional facts:

> Domestic pax traffic was UP 4.9%;

I'm curious as to how much of the increase for domestric traffic was attributable to Expressjet.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
I sure hope the 10-gate expansion opens as planned in 2012; we need it tomorrow!

On a sidenote, I remember the last time I transited through SAN. It was August 14, 2001 and I was on my way from OAK to AUS. When I got off the plane in SAN, I could not believe how crowded the concourse was. I mean, there was literally nowhere I could go where I wasn't in someone else's way. That was over six years ago. I can't even imagine how crowded it must be these days.

LonestarMike


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2051 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 2):
When I got off the plane in SAN, I could not believe how crowded the concourse was. I mean, there was literally nowhere I could go where I wasn't in someone else's way. That was over six years ago. I can't even imagine how crowded it must be these days.

I assume you were on WN? Not much change there I'm sure, and no impact by this expansion either.


User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2048 times:
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These numbers are good for SAN and may help get that terminal extension built. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if 2007 or perhaps 2008 are the peak of the current growth spurt. I expect the recession will result in a slowdown and then decreasing passenger numbers for a few years before the next upward swing of the economy. For this reason, I'd be surprised, bb, if 2008 is undoubtedly better than 2007 in terms of air service to SAN. Although we should see Zoom arrive, I don't think they'll manage to stick around too long given the slowing economy and the abysmal dollar-sterling exchange rate. Philippine Airlines won't start flights until the country is upgraded to CAT 1. Domestically, we can expect the weaker carriers to abandon poorly performing routes from SAN or simply go out of business. The majors will cut back flights, particularly point-to-point flights like AA's SAN-BOS, as passenger numbers drop and the price of oil stays high. If merger mania takes place, SAN will likely lose some flights as redundant hubs get shut down. Southwest is nearly maxed out on gate space and 50-seat RJs have become a losing proposition so I'd probably be pretty happy just to see the maintenance of the status quo at SAN this year.

Edward (bringer of cheer)


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3861 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2034 times:



Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 3):
I assume you were on WN? Not much change there I'm sure, and no impact by this expansion either.

Yeah, I was on WN. I've been through SAN once since then, but I didn't have to get off the plane as it was a thru flight. I remember taking a picture out the window while taxiing to the gate and you could see all these WN planes around the rotunda with the San Diego skyline in the background. I liked the picture so much that it's now the background photo on my bank checks.  Smile

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1951 times:



Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 4):
I'd probably be pretty happy just to see the maintenance of the status quo at SAN this year.

Man, Lindy, I think I'll go step on a rusty nail or play with a hornet's nest just to cheer up a bit after reading your post!

Your points are worthy of pondering (a more informal version of actual thinking, usually involving a pipe or a rocking chair), especially the oil-situation and suspected merger-mania that's cranking up toward warp speed right now! I admit things don't look real rosy for XE (which impacts SAN) or SX (which does not impact SAN at all.)

However, I still think SAN will continue to see growth, at least thru 2008. VX and ZX are on their way in, hopefully we may see NK show up as well, and PR is at least interested in coming. In addition, AQ, B6, F9, WN and even NW have already announced 10 new flights (and we're only in January!) You cite some potential negatives and some will undoubtedly happen but I think the positives will win out. (And maybe I'm the only one in town who thinks so, but I think Zoom will do fine in our fair city!)

bb


User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1899 times:



Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 4):
the abysmal dollar-sterling exchange rate.

This actually works in Zoom's favor in bringing more UK tourists to a bargain travel destination. Zoom will be largely be UK POS.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1883 times:



Quote:
Domestic pax traffic was UP 4.9%

Is there any information as to what percent of this traffic was ExpressJet?

Also, when the new gates to T2West are opened, who will be moving there, and how are the rest of the airlines going to play "Musical Gates"?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1851 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 2):
I'm curious as to how much of the increase for domestric traffic was attributable to Expressjet



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
Is there any information as to what percent of this traffic was ExpressJet?

Since 2 of you asked so nicely, I, along with my trusty calculator, came up with some figures:

> XE last year carried 240,213 pax in and out of Lindbergh's CT; that amounts to 1% of the 2007 pax traffic total (18,326,761.)
> Just for giggles, I figured out that XE carried 23% of the pax who used the CT last year (1,039,532.)
> XE op'd 8,080 flights in and out of SAN in 2007 with an overall average of 30 pax/flt, or a rough 60% LF.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
Also, when the new gates to T2West are opened, who will be moving there, and how are the rest of the airlines going to play "Musical Gates"?

I don't think you've posted on the other thread on SAN's expansion project but some discussion there relates to this question PanAm':
SAN Proposed Redevelopment (Video & Pics) (by SAN787 Jan 25 2008 in Civil Aviation)

bb


User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1842 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
Since 2 of you asked so nicely, I, along with my trusty calculator, came up with some figures:

> XE last year carried 240,213 pax in and out of Lindbergh's CT; that amounts to 1% of the 2007 pax traffic total (18,326,761.)
> Just for giggles, I figured out that XE carried 23% of the pax who used the CT last year (1,039,532.)
> XE op'd 8,080 flights in and out of SAN in 2007 with an overall average of 30 pax/flt, or a rough 60% LF.

Thanks for the number crunching. I wish that XE would focus more on SAN rather than ONT or LGB. Of course, with all of the talk lately, maybe I should be hoping that someone will come in and pick up a couple of the XE routes when they fail...(not likely).

I'm happy to say, that I account for about 20 of those 240,213 pax.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1833 times:



Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 10):
I'm happy to say, that I account for about 20 of those 240,213 pax.

Keep on flyin', What'! Would you say the 60% LF figure is representative of your flights? We know that some markets are generally quite a bit better than that (e.g., FAT) while some are well below (BFL) but with 1-to-3 flights a day in each market, no connecting options, and low O&D figures to start with, they can only do so much tweaking.

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 10):
...maybe I should be hoping that someone will come in and pick up a couple of the XE routes when they fail...(not likely).

There's a thread on AS/QX in SAN with a very anemic discussion about your very question:
AS In SAN - Future Plans? (by SANFan Jan 23 2008 in Civil Aviation)
Your input would be welcome.

bb


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Good for SAN! Glad I could help, along with many of the other 11,000 people who attended the American Academy of Religion/ Society for Biblical Literature conference at the San Diego Convention Center the weekend before Thanksgiving. I came in on WN from BWI (and yes, LoneStarMike, the WN rotunda at SAN was extremely crowded) and out a few days later to IAD on B6. Loved the approach over Balboa Park.

Although the WN terminal was very crowded, my baggage arrived quickly, about 10 min. after arrival at the carousel directly from the gate at about 12:30 pm. On the outbound, check-in and security at the west terminal moved quickly, no more than 10 minutes for either at about 9pm.

Jim



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User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Well, I am also happy to say that I am one of the passengers that flew into SAN. UA's flights through there were pretty full too, and on my way back to ORD, there were only two free seats open in Y...and one was the middle seat in my row. Overall, I love SAN, and was actually thinking of looking at a college there before I accepted my Kansas State scholarship.


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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1777 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
Keep on flyin', What'! Would you say the 60% LF figure is representative of your flights? We know that some markets are generally quite a bit better than that (e.g., FAT) while some are well below (BFL) but with 1-to-3 flights a day in each market, no connecting options, and low O&D figures to start with, they can only do so much tweaking.

I fly FAT-SAN and I've never had a flight under 90%. I generally fly on Mondays, Thursday, or Fridays, and loads are always heavy, often not more than a couple seats open. Friday is usually sold out three or four days in advance. SAN is now one of the top 10 O&D markets from FAT and I'd really hate to lose the flights.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Nice to hear good things about our dinky little (yet very crowded and well-used) airport (and city!)

I was going to mention in my response (reply 6) to Lindy's post (reply 4) that the convention and, I'd be willing to add, cruise businesses in San Diego seem to continue keeping the numbers at Lindbergh healthy, even if and when the economy is on the sluggish side. In a true, hard and long recession, those aspects of the tourist business will eventually show a decline (probably) but there's a bit of a lag there.

Speaking of T1E and the WN operation at SAN, it's always interesting to me to remember that they use 1/4 of the gates at Lindbergh (10 of 40 mainline terminal gates excluding the non-functioning gate 19) while carrying over 1/3 of the total pax at the airport! (And people wonder why WN is profitable year after year...) So yes, gates 3 thru 10 are one heavily used concentration of airline real estate, with very few "soft" times during the day; gates 1 and 2 seem almost calm and deserted in comparison!

I don't know in exactly what way but I'm betting WN's physical presence at Lindbergh Field will be a lot different at the end of the year than it is today -- I sure hope so anyway!  scratchchin 

bb


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