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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Morons!

BTL UUA /OV BTL /TM 0210 /FL010 /TP SR20 /RM LASER LGT IN COCKPIT FROM WEST FA RY23 MUL

BTL UUA /OV BTL /TM 0211 /FL015 /TP UNKN /RM GREEN LASER LIGHT BEING SHINED INTO PILOTS EYES

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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Not this *again.* Though I guess it's not surprising. It's human nature to wanna aim one of those things at a distant, moving object.

At least this time we're not being told that "terrorists" are trying to down planes with hand-held lasers. As if.


Laser beams, bombs, bullet holes
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2004/12/17/askthepilot116/

Lasers and lunacy
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2005/01/04/askthepilot118/

Lasers part 3
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2005/01/13/askthepilot119/

PS



Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Thats rediculous!

How do these guys even manage to shine a laser in a cockpit (let alone pilots eyes) of a plane flying at 1,500ft??? Just seems like you need more than your average laser pointer.

I hope they get caught and sent to jail for a while!



Al Gore invented global warming.
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

I have a funny story relating to this. I was once on final... checked in with tower and was told that pilots were reporting laser activity on about a 6 mile final, and if we saw it, to give them the best description of the location that we could. Sure enough, we saw it and gave them a DME fix and the distance from centerline it looked to be.

Then an aircraft checks in behind us, they're told to do the same as us by tower. Well, they get lased too, and apparently the pilot lived really close and knew the area... he blurted out "I see it! Its the 3rd house on the left north of McDonalds on Palmer St! Back yard!" Tower responds with "Wow, you sure bout that?" "Definitely, 100%" "Haha, alright, well, someone is going to get a visit from the police tonight then."


User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5295 times:

I've seen some on short final heading into HOU on a WN flight. The flight crew didn't see it, but I'm 95% sure I saw it, as you could see it on the ground. If it wasn't a laser, then it was a very strong/concentrated light flow of green light.

Who knows???


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4983 times:
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Quoting CO777ER (Reply 4):
If it wasn't a laser, then it was a very strong/concentrated light flow of green light.

Maybe it was an ALIEN! J/K
I am really tired of this. What kind of crime is this labled as?
Blue



You push down on that yoke, the houses get bigger, you pull back on the yoke, the houses get bigger- Ken Foltz
User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4947 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):
I am really tired of this. What kind of crime is this labled as?

Definitely federal crime. I am sure the right lawyer could get you on several counts of attempted murder.



Al Gore invented global warming.
User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4713 times:
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Quoting Georgebush (Reply 6):
Definitely federal crime. I am sure the right lawyer could get you on several counts of attempted murder.

Oh. That is what I was hoping you would say. Lock them up for many years!
Blue



You push down on that yoke, the houses get bigger, you pull back on the yoke, the houses get bigger- Ken Foltz
User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):
Maybe it was an ALIEN!

Now wouldn't that be something?!



BTL UUA /OV BTL /TM 0212 /FL020 /TP UNKN /RM GREEN LASER LIGHT SHINED ONCE AGAIN FO SUDDENLY VANISHED

[Edited 2008-01-26 11:43:01]


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User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4470 times:



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 2):
How do these guys even manage to shine a laser in a cockpit (let alone pilots eyes) of a plane flying at 1,500ft??? Just seems like you need more than your average laser pointer.

It is available from an online computer parts catalogue I will not name for $80.00. They claim 1 3/8 mile range.


User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Maybe pilots can invest in some polarized or anti-laser sunglasses and then this will all go away. How shitty would you feel if you did that as a joke and 100 people died?


Unable.
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4553 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Its amazing that anyone could pull it off. You are hitting a target at quite a distance and moving at a high rate of speed and you get the laser through that little window and into the eyes of the pilot. Amazing aim. Disturbing but amazing.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

The problem of people pointing lasers at aircraft happens here in Australia too.

A few people here and there have been arrested, but they still do it.



South Australian Spotter
User currently offlineBeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

If you ever watched CSI Miami they did a whole episode on this about a plane crash after takeoff from MIA.


Fly HI
User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3734 times:



Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 10):
Maybe pilots can invest in some polarized or anti-laser sunglasses and then this will all go away. How shitty would you feel if you did that as a joke and 100 people died?

I don't know that polarized sunglasses would help in this situation. Do anti-laser sunglasses exist?



"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3649 times:



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 2):
Just seems like you need more than your average laser pointer.

You don't. There are a ton of "pumped up" laser pointers for sale on ebay, mostly in Hong Kong and Europe. They are souped up laser pointers and some are so overdriven that they'll actually cut tape or burn a hole through a trash bag, and instantly and permanently blind someone when shined in the eyes. Yeah, like anything else, laser pointers are dangerous in the hands of an idiot.



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User currently offlineTXKF2010 From Bermuda, joined Nov 2005, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3521 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 15):
They are souped up laser pointers and some are so overdriven that they'll actually cut tape or burn a hole through a trash bag, and instantly and permanently blind someone when shined in the eyes

Ya but thats got 2 be a close range to do damage like cut tape or a trash bag. Regardless its a stupid move for people on the ground to be doing that. I was flying one night and some jabroni was out in a field with a four million candle power light and was shining it at me while descending. I wasnt to impressed with that.



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3483 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 15):
You don't. There are a ton of "pumped up" laser pointers for sale on ebay, mostly in Hong Kong and Europe. They are souped up laser pointers and some are so overdriven that they'll actually cut tape or burn a hole through a trash bag, and instantly and permanently blind someone when shined in the eyes. Yeah, like anything else, laser pointers are dangerous in the hands of an idiot.

Small lasers with a range of about 500 meters ('bout 0,8 miles) are actually quite common in Europe, sold in toy shops for children and teenagers. I myself had one of those when I was like 11 or 12 and I was quite amazed by the range of the thing. So I guess it can be easily found and those lasers are not that weak.

But I'm still wondering how can you aim that well at a moving aircraft 1500 feet above the ground, right through a tiny window ? And how dangerous can that really be ? Not children playing with lasers I mean, but laser technology itself against commercial airplanes ?



Cheers
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3591 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3041 times:



Quoting AF1624 (Reply 17):
But I'm still wondering how can you aim that well at a moving aircraft 1500 feet above the ground, right through a tiny window ? And how dangerous can that really be ?

The beam divergence on these lasers is fairly large, so at a distance of a mile or 2, the beam will be a couple of feet in diameter. Easy to point with a tripod. Many of the "problem children" (idiots) have been using Argon lasers designed for laser light shows (also used in eye surgery). Most definately dangerous if powerful enough.

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 17):
Not children playing with lasers I mean, but laser technology itself against commercial airplanes ?

The USSR had high powered lasers they used to blind enemy pilots. The US government also had the "Dazzeler" designed to blind the enemy ( designed by GE, but never actually fielded to my knowlege).

My understanding is that military lasers designed specifically for blinding the enemy are banned for signitories of the Genevia Convention.

Most of the laser rangefinders in the US (and other countries) are "eye-safe" infra-red lasers in the 1.54 to 1.57 micron region so that they do not blind friendly forces in training (or enemies before blowing them up).


User currently offlineTF39 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Hey folks - how many of you are amateur astronomers? Probably none given your responses. They are very common in astronomy circles and I have several green lasers ($80 a piece) as they are very useful at night for pointing out objects in the sky. Now, I also live below a flight path near PDX. I do take care to avoid planes because the last thing I want is some pilot freaking out that there's a green laser near him and then having the police at my door.

I'd also like to know how you going to get a light shined into a pilot's eyes who is at 1500 feet above you if you're standing on the ground? Think about it - the plane has to be near horizontal with you.

Now, if someone is deliberately trying to do that then I agree a visit is warranted by the authorities. At the same, quit making the assumption that folks with green lasers are up to no good - they might know more about that sky above us then the pilots flying in it and the a.netters who love jumping to conclusions.


User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2876 times:



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 14):
Do anti-laser sunglasses exist?

Probably not, but that would be a heck of an invention! I call patent rights!



Unable.
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3591 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2720 times:



Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 20):
Probably not, but that would be a heck of an invention! I call patent rights!

Sorry, but laser protection eyewear has been around for a long time.

Try looking up Glendale Optical.

http://www.glendale-laser.com/

Quoting TF39 (Reply 19):
I'd also like to know how you going to get a light shined into a pilot's eyes who is at 1500 feet above you if you're standing on the ground? Think about it - the plane has to be near horizontal with you.

Who said the plane was directly above? The idiots doing this that people and pilots are complaining about are not the stargazers, they are intentionally pointing the lasers at planes while on approach/take-off.


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
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Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 20):
I call patent rights!

Aww man you beat me to it!

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 21):
Sorry, but laser protection eyewear has been around for a long time.

Party pooper  Big grin
Blue



You push down on that yoke, the houses get bigger, you pull back on the yoke, the houses get bigger- Ken Foltz
User currently offlineFlymeFASTER From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

I got laser beamed over Bakersfield in my single-engine recently. They must have had a scope, because they were nailing the cockpit pretty good at about 2000 feet. The police chopper overheard my conversation with approach about it and went out to hunt. Next time this happens I'll divert to get a real accurate GPS reading of where they are. If they don't catch 'em right away, I might even stake out the area to see if I can find them. Then I'll call the authorities, with infrared video evidence in my hands. Ahh to dream!


Bigger planes & bigger windows? Thanks, but I'd rather you fly me faster!
User currently offlineTF39 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2079 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 21):
Who said the plane was directly above? The idiots doing this that people and pilots are complaining about are not the stargazers, they are intentionally pointing the lasers at planes while on approach/take-off.

Hi DLPMMM - if I was reading the original post correctly, the flight levels were 010 and 015. So if they weren't directly above, they were even further away from where a person would be standing. Now, that doesn't excuse their behavior at all and I agree anyone doing this intentionally is an idiot and deserves a visit from the police. What I didn't make clear in my post is the distinction between unintentional and intentional pointing of the device. It could be easy for someone to unintentionally "hit" a plane with these lasers - I have to be careful with the small planes around my house especially when wind muffles the engine sounds. At the same time, to intentionally nail the cockpit and even worse, hit the pilot eyes would require a pretty steady hand. Not saying it can't be done as FlymeFASTER shows, but I'm dubious of reports of lasers being shined in peoples eyes from long distances long enough to cause an incident. However, I'm not sure at what range a <5mW laser would not cause eye damage (I treat mine like a loaded gun and don't point it at anyone). I seen one quick stat that at two miles it's the same intensity as a 100 bulb if direct in you eyes. Again though, it is stupid for someone to deliberately shine these instruments at another person given their power.


25 Post contains images OPNLguy : Nah... Have the police invest in some laser-guided ordinance for their helicopters, and launch one whenever someone lights-up their laser pointer. No
26 ARFFdude : Had a similar thing happen at my airport. Pilots were reporting getting hit with a laser one night on final. The police choppers based at the field f
27 DLPMMM : I understood your post, I am just a little terse and grumpy by nature. The stargazers with 5mW pointers are not the problem. We have fired a powerful
28 MrBrightSide : Well, I did not expect that a subject of a passion of mine will become first post I do here, but here I go... When it comes to handheld lasers, best i
29 Post contains images TF39 : Hi DLPMMM - Thank you for the information - I didn't realize the extent some folks would go through in order to be so stupid as well as dangerous. p.s
30 CaptSkibi : Polarized glasses are not necessarily a good idea in the cockpit. Some, if not all, of the glass panels are polarized. I know for a fact that the tran
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