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Another AF 777 Had An Emergency Landing In MXP  
User currently offline777 From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 514 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23906 times:

Some weeks ago I reported here on A.Net an emergency landing of an AF B-777 in FCO while it was enroute to La Reunion.

AF 777 Emergency Landing @ FCO Today (by 777 Dec 12 2007 in Civil Aviation)

It seems unbelievable but yesterday night at 22.52 another AF B777-300 (F-GSQO) enroute to La Reunion made an emergency landing in MXP....

http://www3.varesenews.it/gallarate_malpensa/articolo.php?id=90143

Anyone here has more info about that?

[Edited 2008-01-26 02:29:19]

[Edited 2008-01-26 02:30:28]

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User currently offlinePlobax From France, joined Jan 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23933 times:

Scary ! What's going on with the 777?

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1673 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23895 times:

Didn't AF have several (engine) problems the last period? I recall some emergency landings in LED and GOJ?
Do the AF 777's have Rolls-Royce engines?



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23827 times:
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Quoting DALCE (Reply 2):
Do the AF 777's have Rolls-Royce engines?

Air France? Rolls-Royce engines?  Wow!

AF has a very strong preference for GE. Many will tell you that AF won't buy the A350 unless it has a GE offering under the wing. Personally, I'm less convinced, and their CEO did recently say that lack of GE wouldn't stop them from buying the A350, if it was the right plane for them.



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1673 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 23586 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
Air France? Rolls-Royce engines?

I have to admit i'm not too much into the engines.



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User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23414 times:



Quoting Plobax (Reply 1):
What's going on with the 777?

It's not the 777, it's AF and 777 - they really seem to have some serious mx issues with those engines.



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User currently offlineDBCC From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23352 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 5):
It's not the 777, it's AF and 777 - they really seem to have some serious mx issues with those engines.

Don't forget, AF's route network does take their planes to some of the most "backward" airports and locations there are. Not simple 1st world to 1st world airports.

Changes are bigger for small FOD, less reliable and clean fuel (even though it still meets standards), and they do beat their planes up.

Look how VARIG beat their planes into the ground.


User currently offlinePlobax From France, joined Jan 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 23203 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 5):
It's not the 777, it's AF and 777

It is also BA and the 777. May be it is the 777 only (or its engines)


User currently offline777 From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 514 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 23176 times:

In the link below a couple of pictures af the AF 777 (ferry flight) landed this morning at 11.45 @ MXP to take the pax (from Aviazionecivile.it website)

http://www.aviazionecivile.it/forum/...pic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36885&whichpage=2


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 22991 times:



Quoting DBCC (Reply 6):
Don't forget, AF's route network does take their planes to some of the most "backward" airports and locations there are. Not simple 1st world to 1st world airports.

Changes are bigger for small FOD, less reliable and clean fuel (even though it still meets standards), and they do beat their planes up.

Look how VARIG beat their planes into the ground.



Quoting Plobax (Reply 7):
It is also BA and the 777. May be it is the 777 only (or its engines)

i still think DBCC has it right.



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 22889 times:



Quoting Plobax (Reply 7):
It is also BA and the 777. May be it is the 777 only (or its engines)

a) AF operates a GE fleet, YMMM was RR powered
b) To the best of my knowledge, BA have never had an IFSD on the 777



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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 21995 times:



Quoting LHR27C (Reply 10):
Quoting Plobax (Reply 7):
It is also BA and the 777. May be it is the 777 only (or its engines)



Quoting LHR27C (Reply 10):
b) To the best of my knowledge, BA have never had an IFSD on the 777

They haven't, which makes the first comment false.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8840 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 21225 times:



Quoting LHR27C (Reply 10):
b) To the best of my knowledge, BA have never had an IFSD on the 777

Quick look around found these...could be more

DATE: 11.08.2004 LOCAL TIME: - LOCATION: Houston-Bush Intercontinental AP/ TX/ KIAH COUNTRY: USA
AIRLINE: British AW TYPE: Boeing 777-200 REGISTRATION: - C/N: - AGE: -
OPERATION: ISP FLIGHT No.: - FROM: Houston-IAH TO: London-LGW VIA: -
OCCUPANTS: PAX: 130 CREW: -
FATALITIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
INJURIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
DAMAGE TO AIRCRAFT: minor
Shortly after takeoff the aircraft safely returned to land at Houston after the pilots received indication of a fire in engine #1. Fire was put out by personnel on the ground. Passengers were evacuated via chutes on the tarmac.

DATE: 13.01.2003 LOCAL TIME: - LOCATION: Terceira-Int´l AP / Acores COUNTRY: Portugal
AIRLINE: British Airways TYPE: Boeing 777-200 REGISTRATION: - C/N: - AGE: -
OPERATION: ISP FLIGHT No.: - FROM: Antigua TO: London-LGW(?) VIA: -
OCCUPANTS PAX: x CREW: x
FATALITIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
INJURIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
DAMAGE TO AIRCRAFT: minor
The aircraft made a safe emergency landing at the Acores Islands after it suffered an engine failure en-route.



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 20469 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):
Quick look around found these...could be more

I do apologise, I stand corrected!



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User currently offlineCEO@AFG From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 245 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 20391 times:

Didn't Air France have a 777 land in Siberia some years back, with a lenghty stay at the airport involving an engine replacement which had to be done in -30 to -40C degrees?


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User currently offlinePlobax From France, joined Jan 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 20094 times:



Quoting LHR27C (Reply 13):
I do apologise, I stand corrected

You always can count on Zeke!

 Wink


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3537 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19830 times:



Quoting CEO@AFG (Reply 14):
Didn't Air France have a 777 land in Siberia some years back, with a lenghty stay at the airport involving an engine replacement which had to be done in -30 to -40C degrees?

Maybe. I know UA had a 777 land in Yellowknife up in Canada after an engine failure. I believe the engine had to be trucked up. CO also had a diversion to Midway Island in the middle of the pacific after a 777 engine failure as well.



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19538 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):
Quick look around found these...could be more

DATE: 11.08.2004 LOCAL TIME: - LOCATION: Houston-Bush Intercontinental AP/ TX/ KIAH COUNTRY: USA
AIRLINE: British AW TYPE: Boeing 777-200 REGISTRATION: - C/N: - AGE: -
OPERATION: ISP FLIGHT No.: - FROM: Houston-IAH TO: London-LGW VIA: -
OCCUPANTS: PAX: 130 CREW: -
FATALITIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
INJURIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
DAMAGE TO AIRCRAFT: minor
Shortly after takeoff the aircraft safely returned to land at Houston after the pilots received indication of a fire in engine #1. Fire was put out by personnel on the ground. Passengers were evacuated via chutes on the tarmac.

DATE: 13.01.2003 LOCAL TIME: - LOCATION: Terceira-Int´l AP / Acores COUNTRY: Portugal
AIRLINE: British Airways TYPE: Boeing 777-200 REGISTRATION: - C/N: - AGE: -
OPERATION: ISP FLIGHT No.: - FROM: Antigua TO: London-LGW(?) VIA: -
OCCUPANTS PAX: x CREW: x
FATALITIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
INJURIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
DAMAGE TO AIRCRAFT: minor
The aircraft made a safe emergency landing at the Acores Islands after it suffered an engine failure en-route.

...and both aircraft were GE-powered, Gatwick based aircraft. The first event doesn't mention a specific engine shutdown, at least not in the text that was posted.


User currently offlineExcalibur From France, joined Dec 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17658 times:

What Airbus and VS were saying some time ago?... I think it was "Four engines for Long-Haul". Funny..  duck 


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User currently offline333 From Norway, joined Dec 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16847 times:



Quoting 777STL (Reply 16):
Quoting CEO@AFG (Reply 14):Didn't Air France have a 777 land in Siberia some years back, with a lenghty stay at the airport involving an engine replacement which had to be done in -30 to -40C degrees?

Maybe. I know UA had a 777 land in Yellowknife up in Canada after an engine failure. I believe the engine had to be trucked up. CO also had a diversion to Midway Island in the middle of the pacific after a 777 engine failure as well.

Can any of the 777 engines be airlifted without having to remove the fan?? And how much extra time does an engine swap take when the engine has to be put back together before installing?


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8840 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15248 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 17):
The first event doesn't mention a specific engine shutdown, at least not in the text that was posted.

When we receive fire indication in flight we carry out the checklists always with the assumption that they are real indications, and let the people work it out on the ground if it was a false indication. Considering they had "minor" damage to me would suggest that the fire extinguisher was discharged into the engine, the fire handles also shut the engine down by shutting off fuel.

I cannot confirm via the NSTB at the moment, every time I try and do a database search it come back with a database error.



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User currently offlineKLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15194 times:

Quoting Plobax (Reply 1):
Didn't AF have several (engine) problems the last period?

Wasn't there a rumor that Air France even lost their ETOPS Range for the 777 a few weeks ago because of Engine Problems??

Björn

[Edited 2008-01-26 14:29:06]

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14910 times:

AF seems to be the only airline to have so many problems with their GE engines.
I really wonder what's wrong with AF...



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14876 times:



Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 21):
Wasn't there a rumor that Air France even lost their ETOPS Range for the 777 a few weeks ago because of Engine Problems??

Why would AF lose their ETOPS habilities if it seems that quite a lot of GE-equipped B777's are having the same problem ?

And by the way, if the AF B777 had lost their ETOPS capability, they wouldn't fly B777's anymore now would they ?

AF's MX is one of the best there is.You can't blame AF for that.



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User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14045 times:



Quoting AF1624 (Reply 23):
Why would AF lose their ETOPS habilities if it seems that quite a lot of GE-equipped B777's are having the same problem ?

And by the way, if the AF B777 had lost their ETOPS capability, they wouldn't fly B777's anymore now would they ?

AF's MX is one of the best there is.You can't blame AF for that.

From : AF Lost It's 180 Min Etops For 777.. (by Beaucaire Nov 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Quote:
As reported on French aviation forum Radiocockpit,AF has lost its ETOPS 180 min. for their 777 and has to live with 120 ETOPS...

Reply 18:

Quote:

The FAA certified the 777 for ETOPS-180 from entry into service.

The JAA certified the 777 for ETOPS-120 from entry into service. ETOPS-180 was granted on an airline-by-airline basis after one year of trouble-free service.



25 Thegeek : I don't think the RR engines have a problem, but the GE90-11xB engines require an An-124 to be airlifted with fan attached. A B747F doesn't cut it.
26 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : The UA diversion to Yellowknife (YZF): UA also had the longest-ever single-engine ETOPS diversion when they shut down an engine on a 777 due to oil p
27 Caspritz78 : Hadn't El Al also problems with its 777 because of engine troubles?
28 Post contains links Nzrich : Well looking at this article you can add Malaysian x2 JAL Thai Emirates Along with the AF and BA ones http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_
29 OldAeroGuy : And this statement was false. AF did not lose 180 min ETOPS for the 777.
30 Post contains images Francoflier : Now, I think DBCC made a pretty good point earlier. If the aircraft or engine was to blame, other operators would have a similar amount of problems wi
31 WestWing : How many IFSDs (total) have there been for the GE90-11x ? I thought the AF diversion to LED was the first reported one. Are there any GE90-11x IFSDs o
32 FlySSC : That one was for a Medical Emergency. Past AF B777 diversions due do Engine problem : 1) : B772ER GRU-CDG diverted to LPA 2) : B772ER CDG-GRU diverte
33 Post contains links AF2323 : Well, you can't rule out an mx problem, but Air France is performing maintenance for a lot of other airlines, including users of 777, and we haven't
34 Post contains images FlySSC : There was also a rumor that a dinosaur was living in the Loch Ness Lake in Scotland, another pretending that Lady Di is still alive ...
35 Jonathan-l : People wrote books on them, there were TV shows and films on Loch Ness and Lady Di, so I think KLM772ER is entitled to a little bit more on the subje
36 Brenintw : If one of these is the one in Stockholm so dramatically caught on film, that was a C-duct (or D-duct) seperation -- which is a known airframe problem
37 Post contains images KLM772ER : There is nothing wrong with the dinosaur living in Loch Ness as long as it stays a rumor.. that is where rumors are for! But to be honest I think it
38 LY777 : Both have changed their mind since this time: Airbus with the A350, and VS with the 787...
39 FlySSC : The rumor was about AF losing its ETOPS 180 certification for the B777. That was A RUMOR. Nothing more. a web rumor that remained at the stage of a s
40 Zeke : Anyone able to confirm that SQ has also had a IFSD on a 77W with a diversion into TPE ?
41 Post contains links Zeke : from http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20041015X01640&key=1 NTSB Identification: DCA04IA066. The docket is stored in the Docket Management Sys
42 LY777 : crash-aerien.com reports 94 incidents of all kinds for the 777: 12 concerns AF (this is to say 12.7%, which is quite important IMO)
43 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : 777-300ER? Rolls-Royce engines? GE90 all the way, man... (all the way to the shutdown sometimes too) In the case of these precise 777s, they take the
44 Iceman2 : Yes, I can confirm this. Two days later, same aircraft type, same engines, looks like same reason!
45 WestWing : Iceman2: Do you know whether there have been any IFSDs on the GE90-11xB (77W & 77L) other than the four in this thread. (The four being AF to LED, FC
46 LY777 : Excuse me, what does IFSD mean? Don't forget AF diverted to Seychelles, too----- that's 4 for AF! LY had also problems with their Trents-powered 777:
47 WestWing : In-Flight Shut Down. Was this a 77W and if so, approximately when did this incident happen? Just to clarify, my question was specifically targeted fo
48 FlySSC : Air France B777 diversions due to engine problem since 1998 : 1) : B772ER F-GSPC operating GRU-CDG diverted to LPA 2) : B772ER F-GSPE operating CDG-G
49 LY777 : when did these incidents happen?
50 Iceman2 : Yes there have. There is some debate as to whether the LED and FCO diversion events were actually IFSDs, even though the engines had suffered signifi
51 Zeke : Seems you can also add the SQ one last week to that list.
52 FlySSC : June 1998 Nov. 2003 June 2004 Dec. 2005
53 LY777 : thanks, so the "black series" started in 2003, and got worse in 2007
54 FlySSC : The "Black serie" started in 1998, just about 3 months after the first B772ER was delivered to AF, when F-GSPC en route from GRU to LPA had to divret
55 LY777 : LY had also engines problems as I mentionned above; do you know their origins?
56 Post contains links FlySSC : No. But the fact that those several different problems occur on the GE, PW and RR engines tend to prove that the engines themselves is not the only c
57 LY777 : what about IFSD on 767s and A330s? Are they really less numerous than on the 777s?
58 Post contains links 777 : Here below the link to the most famous Italian forum on aviation topics with some really interesting pictures of the AF 777 engine substitution in MXP
59 Zeke : Anyone able to confirm that another SQ 773ER this week had another IFSD, SQ334 with a single engine landing into FRA ?
60 Post contains links Fiatstilojtd : Hi Zeke, yes, correct, according to some (eye-)witness at FRA..... Link: (sorry only German) http://www.airliners.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40718
61 Post contains links FlySSC : Wed. Jan 30th . SQ334, operating SIN-CDG. Diverted to FRA. Aircraft involved is B773ER 9V-SWA. http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviatio
62 FlySSC : On the last AF incident last week (ORY-RUN F-GSQO ) the engine was shut down due to a problem on the GTR2. The B773ER landed at MXP after 38 minutes
63 Post contains images Zeke : Thank you
64 FlySSC : Just got the information : Following the recent in flight incidents on several B773ER, General Electric has announced a World Campaign of technical ch
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