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Chi Tribune: Mx Union To Aid Poss UA-CO Merger?  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2504 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Very interesting development noted in this article from the Chicago Tribune.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel...sat_teamstersjan26,0,3747199.story

Fair use excerpt: "Nearly half of United's 10,200 eligible voters were laid off years ago, and if neither the Teamsters nor AMFA win over 50 percent of the vote, that could leave the historically maverick group at United without any say in a merger."

Who'd have thought unions would ultimately make an airline merger easier given their apparent disorganization and imminent infighting?

On a related note (also touched on in this article): I don't know which 'analysts' keep feeding them the UA-CO merger although FWIW, I'm all for it.


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User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3787 times:



Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Who'd have thought unions would ultimately make an airline merger easier given their apparent disorganization and imminent infighting?

Well, it would make the Teamsters stronger by some 5,000 members, that's for sure.

AMFA is a TOTAL failure. They failed at NWA, and despite telling UA mechanics they were worth $90/hour to get them to vote AMFA, the end result were signiticant layoffs at UA. What all this tells me is that enough mechanics at UA believe the Teamsters are the lesser of two evils, and will provide them with a voice in expected merger discussions, be it with CO or DL.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3628 times:



Quoting N174UA (Reply 1):
What all this tells me is that enough mechanics at UA believe the Teamsters are the lesser of two evils, and will provide them with a voice in expected merger discussions, be it with CO or DL.

I agree that (at least from the article's perspective) the AMFA is on the decline but the article actually points out that if neither union receives 50% of the vote, neither will represent UA's mechanics. I suppose that would essentially leave them without any union representation which would effectively remove one small hurdle to a potential UA-CO merger since CO mechanics are already represented by the Teamsters.

Are there any UA employees out there that might be able to shed some more light on this?


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User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3511 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
if neither union receives 50% of the vote, neither will represent UA's mechanics.

That's a big problem for all of the retirees, like my Dad. Their benefits are attached to the existing contract, which AMFA inherited from the IAM, and had to honor.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3493 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
but the article actually points out that if neither union receives 50% of the vote, neither will represent UA's mechanics.

That may be what the article says, but it's incorrect.

50% of all the mechanics (active or furloughed) need to vote, and then the winner is who gets a plurality of those votes.

Of course, getting 50% of all of the mechanics to vote is difficult when so many are furloughed, but it's not quite as bad as the article makes it seem.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3409 times:



Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
50% of all the mechanics (active or furloughed) need to vote, and then the winner is who gets a plurality of those votes

Interesting. Do you have any insight as to which union has the best chance of winning? It appears that the Teamsters are stumping hard to gain UA mechs' favor.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3390 times:
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Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
On a related note (also touched on in this article): I don't know which 'analysts' keep feeding them the UA-CO merger although FWIW, I'm all for it.

Well if DL and NW team-up, the only other two options are US and CO since UA/AA would be so powerful it would never pass anti-trust review. CO's international presence is better then US' and would complement UA's better (since UA is weak to South America and CO is weak to Asia).


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3364 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
Interesting. Do you have any insight as to which union has the best chance of winning?

Sorry, I may know how the elections work, but my area of expertise is with US, not UA.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3286 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Well if DL and NW team-up, the only other two options are US and CO since UA/AA would be so powerful it would never pass anti-trust review.

That is obvious but what is unclear is DL's investigatory status of NW and UA as potential merger partners. To my best knowledge, they haven't said much of anything in regard to a preference. Naturally, I'm hoping for a DL-NW merger because I think a UA-CO merger would be unbeatable (at least for the routes I regularly fly).

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User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

I have my own cynical theory but I'd rather not post it here...this whole mess got started by a bunch of ex-IAM officers who would want a position in the IBT,I believe nothing good for the membership will come out of this,it bothers me that the TWU is getting involved also,I've also had goombas from the teamsters come to my house and so far have been poite in asking them to leave...someone said AMFA lied..the IBT is far from truthful,they claim the will be able to start contract talks right away..won't happen...they claim they can get our pension back..they cannot...they're out-sourcing at CAL is not impressive..they haven't been able to keep Mexican trucks and truck drivers out of the United States and as our president of local 4 correctly states "our membership is apathetic"their might not be enough votes to have any kind of represnetation.

User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3050 times:



Quoting N174UA (Reply 3):
That's a big problem for all of the retirees, like my Dad. Their benefits are attached to the existing contract, which AMFA inherited from the IAM, and had to honor.

No matter who wins, little will change with the contract. The National Railway Labor Act pretty much assures that. Contracts can not be changed wholesale, but can only be amended after collective bargaining. Every union inherits the old contract and must keep it until the amendable dates come up.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2945 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Well if DL and NW team-up, the only other two options are US and CO since UA/AA would be so powerful it would never pass anti-trust review.

Why does every follow the "AA+UA=Too Big" formula every time the possibility is mentioned. Let's give the people at AA some credit here. I think they're smart enough to know that there will be some divesting involved in order to satisfy any DOJ concerns. Has anyone thought of the possibility of AA partnering with someone for a two-way buyout of UA or NW? Maybe involving BA for 25%?



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