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US To End Service To Carlsbad, CA  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

U.S. Airways will end their service between Phoenix and Carlsbad next month, 12 February. They operated one daily flight year-round, and a second flight during peak periods.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008...7/business/news/6_03_431_16_08.txt

This leaves just United Express at the airport, which is 28 miles north of SAN.


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Oh well, not every city in the US can have airline service. I always thought the daily Dash-8 was a strange route, but what do I know. Suppose Mesa will use the Dash-8 on another route to replace the 1900's.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4376 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
I always thought the daily Dash-8 was a strange route, but what do I know

Remember that Carlsbad is a rich community and pulls in rather high yields.



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4015 times:
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I wonder what other airlines they are courting? It doesn't look as
if there are many airlines with turboprops anymore.Most commuter
airlines have switched to RJ's,and I don't think CLD's runway's long
enough to handle regional jets.I had wondered a long time ago
as to what would happen to airline service out of Carlsbad if
USAirways Express and United Express decided to phase out
all turboprops and went exclusively to regional jets.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4022 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Remember that Carlsbad is a rich community and pulls in rather high yields.

Perhaps they drove to SAN instead and flew F to PHX?


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Besides UAX, Vision Air currently operates CLD to VGT. Flights operate Sun, Wed, Fri.
http://visionairlines.com

Vision has talked about starting CLD flights to AZA/IWA and MMH.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

I live in Carlsbad and love flying cld to Phx since it is about 10 minutes away and never busy, but I'm kind of hoping they bring in DL maybe to lax to compete with UA and bring down prices

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3893 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
I live in Carlsbad and love flying cld to Phx since it is about 10 minutes away and never busy, but I'm kind of hoping they bring in DL maybe to lax to compete with UA and bring down prices

Runway is pretty short there, which would make it difficult to get a CRJ in and out of the airport. Airport is best served with props - they can get in and out much easier.


User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3857 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
unway is pretty short there, which would make it difficult to get a CRJ in and out of the airport. Airport is best served with props - they can get in and out much easier.

Doesn't DL use skywest? and don't they use some props for DL?

CLD is just so much easier to use than SAN, free parking and smaller with less security lines, With DL's large presence in LAX it would be nice to be able to fly out of CLD for a DL flight, and it would bring down costs to fly out of CLD since UA is the only airline flying in and out of CLD they can charge a lot for the tickets


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3842 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Doesn't DL use skywest? and don't they use some props for DL?

Skywest operates only 14 Brasilias for DL, none at LAX. That is why DL uses AmEagle at LAX.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3791 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):

Runway is pretty short there, which would make it difficult to get a CRJ in and out of the airport. Airport is best served with props - they can get in and out much easier.

It would be a real stretch to see RJs at CLD, since the runway is under 5000'

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):

Perhaps they drove to SAN instead and flew F to PHX?

Convenience is a major factor

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Doesn't DL use skywest? and don't they use some props for DL?

Like said, only 14, and CLD-SLC is over 500nm.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3762 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
Skywest operates only 14 Brasilias for DL, none at LAX. That is why DL uses AmEagle at LAX.

oh that makes sense, maybe american would come into CLD


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3740 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 11):
oh that makes sense, maybe american would come into CLD

Quite unlikely, given their relatively limited SoCal operation compared to UA/UAX.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3740 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 11):

oh that makes sense, maybe american would come into CLD

Given American's shaky commitment to the Los Angeles market, I don't necessarily see that happening. I believe Eagle formerly did serve CLD.



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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3730 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 11):
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
Skywest operates only 14 Brasilias for DL, none at LAX. That is why DL uses AmEagle at LAX.

I might be mistaken but I'm 99% sure DL uses Expressjet in LAX. Wasn;t aware that AmEagle did any contract flying other than for AA.


User currently offlineRookinla From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 307 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3675 times:



Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 14):
I might be mistaken but I'm 99% sure DL uses Expressjet in LAX.

DL does use ExpressJet at LAX. However DL does codeshare on American Eagle's LAX flights and only intra-California.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3643 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 11):

oh that makes sense, maybe american would come into CLD

American Eagle flew to CLD until around 2001/2002.

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 14):

I might be mistaken but I'm 99% sure DL uses Expressjet in LAX. Wasn;t aware that AmEagle did any contract flying other than for AA.

American Eagle's intra-California flights at LAX operate as Delta Connection, but only when booked as a connecting leg. You can't book them individually.



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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3628 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
American Eagle's intra-California flights at LAX operate as Delta Connection, but only when booked as a connecting leg. You can't book them individually.

That's interesting, I was not aware of that!


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3628 times:



Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 14):
I might be mistaken but I'm 99% sure DL uses Expressjet in LAX. Wasn;t aware that AmEagle did any contract flying other than for AA.

American Eagle at LAX provides codeshares for many other airlines including Delta, Alaska, Continental, Northwest, Hawaiian, as well as international carriers like JAL and MX.

UAX does not provide the same level of codeshare at Los Angeles.

Most carriers signed on with Eagle to service SAN, FAT, etc.



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3585 times:
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Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
Runway is pretty short there, which would make it difficult to get a CRJ in and out of the airport

Getting in would be no problem,it's getting out is the problem.They are unable to
lengthen the runway due to a cliff @ the west end,and El Camino Real @ the east end.
I'm not sure where the east end of the runway starts in proportion to El Camino Real,
if there is a a few hundred feet or not.



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User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

CLD is land locked on the east by the interstate and on the west by the Pacific, which leaves about 4000ft of RWY. I've jumpseated in there before and a 37 seat plane takes up all the runway on landing and pretty all of it on T/O, don't expect to see any other jets in there besides the corporate ones.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3378 times:



Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 20):
CLD is land locked on the east by the interstate and on the west by the Pacific

How can you be landlocked by the sea?  Wink



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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3359 times:



Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 3):
I had wondered a long time ago
as to what would happen to airline service out of Carlsbad if
USAirways Express and United Express decided to phase out
all turboprops and went exclusively to regional jets.

Which may happen!

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
It would be a real stretch to see RJs at CLD, since the runway is under 5000'

A stretch, yes, but it's occurred before. In the days of HP a CRJ would run CLD-PHX from time to time. No doubt that a CRJ could make LAX as well.


User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3312 times:



Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 20):
CLD is land locked on the east by the interstate and on the west by the Pacific, which leaves about 4000ft of RWY.

You must be thinking of the other CLD...???

This is a minor bummer for us C-bad passengers. I'm afraid the lack of competition is going to result in you know what. Although I never used the US service here, they are the only one-stop connection to many cities back east.



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Crap I need to log CLD quick.

25 N1120A : Not necessarily. OXR is a one carrier airport and fares are rather reasonable. Um, United still has excellent connections.
26 SANMAN66 : I've never seen a RJ @ CLD,but I guess if one has landed there before, then there's hope that they could get new service using them. What other commu
27 N1120A : A 757 is a whole different animal.
28 Concordegboad : To the East of the runway is El Camino Real. Unless someone is building a big bridge, no expansion there. To the west is a hilly area, recenly convert
29 SANMAN66 : Well, actually,the golf course is a bit more to the northwest of the runway. Just beyond the west end of CLD's runway is a cliff,and at the bottom of
30 COERJ145 : A CRJ or even an ERJ would both be weight restricted on summer days. They are nowhere near as poweful(thrust to weight ratio) as a 757. The Q400 coul
31 FlyASAGuy2005 : They do have a real flying contract with XJet but they have been using AE as a code-share partner for a long time, and it still serves it's purpose.
32 Bkircher : Looking track record from my hometown airline service by US Airways, I'm glad that they are actually ending the service. Mesa's on time performance in
33 SANMAN66 : Wow! I didn't realize that many commuter airlines are still flying turboprops. I guess the Carlsbad folks do have other carriers to court. I forgot a
34 A330323X : US schedules them, not Mesa. The US/YV Dash 8 operation is fee-for-departure, meaning you're criticizing the wrong carrier here.
35 Tornado82 : One of the better myths of aviation. The 757's advantage over the RJ's is its wings not its engines. The RJ's have a better thrust/weight ratio. The
36 SANMAN66 : I've worked in several areas surrounding CLD during the summer months. There's not much difference in weather @ CLD as opposed to weather on the coas
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