BabyblueBHX From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 38 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
Hi guys I have been thinking over the past couple of days,
What if a BA agreed with a US domestic operator that they could become a BA franchise operator such as GB airways and BMED were. Obviously the ownership of the carrier would fall in current ownership laws
Would this be allowed under current laws?
Would it be permitted for the US carrier to carry a BA code on it's flights?
Would the franchise be allowed to feed BA longhaul flights?
Its just something I've been thinking about with BA having franchise agreements with airlines with airlines in South Africa etc.
ElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3261 times:
It could be done, but they would have to stay away from the issues that Virgin America faced during its startup, namely keeping foreign influence and ownership at a minimum. Not only do American companies need to be American owned, but their leadership needs to be overwhelmingly American, something like 2/3rds of senior executives, 75% of voting shares and 51% of equity.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7966 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3180 times:
In recent years BA has had three domestic franchise partners - GB Airways, British Mediterranean and Loganair.
Although BA did have a financial stake in GB Airways (49 per cent I believe) before it appointed them a franchisee, it sold that stake to the owners of the other 51 per cent, the Bland Group, when they appointed them a franchisee in February 1995.
BA have never had a direct financial interest in either Loganair or BMed. Indeed I believe that at the time they became a BA franchise operator in July 1994 Loganair was a member of the Airlines of Great Britain Group (along with British Midland) owned by Sir Michael Bishop although it was later subject to a management buy out. BMed was owned by Lord Hesketh when it was a BA franchise operator.
Come the end of the Summer 2008 schedules all three of these domestic franchise partnerships will have been terminated. This leaves BA's two international franchise operators.
Sun-Air of Denmark was founded by Niels Sundberg. Today it is 100 per cent owned by the Sundberg family.
That leaves Comair in South Africa. BA owned 18 per cent of the equity of this airline although I think they may have recently sold some of their shares.
As has been already mentioned in this thread BA had an alliance with US Airways. In January 1993 BA invested £198 M in that American airline that was later increased to a 24.6 per cent equity holding. One of the results of this alliance was the appearance of US 762s in the old British Airways Landor colour scheme with full 'British Airways' titles. Although these aircraft were primarily used for flights from the East Coast of the USA to LGW they also appear to have been used on domestic flights in the USA. For example there is a photo of one of these aircraft (N655US) taken in May 1995 at LAX.
Of course there are many BA code share flights in the American Airlines domestic network. BA5415 ORD-ALB and BA5019 LAX-HNL are but two examples.
So in summary BA has never had a stake as high as a 25 per cent stake in the equity of any franchise operator or alliance partner. Further it seems that US owned and operated aircraft registered in the USA and flown and manned by American crews but in BA colours with BA titles have already flown in the American domestic market. And certainly there are a large number of existing AA/BA code share flights in the US domestic market today. So there seems to me to be no reason why BA should not appoint an American domestic operator as a franchise partner EXCEPT . . .
Except what? I am quite sure that BA would not appoint an American franchise partner without the full and unqualified agreement of AA.
TristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4129 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3015 times:
Doesn't DHL have a franchise operation. Their flights are operated by ABX, an American Company, but all the *pax* are DHL customers and the planes are painted in DHL colours, and the fly on DHL airwaybills..
Nzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3010 times:
Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 5): Doesn't DHL have a franchise operation. Their flights are operated by ABX, an American Company, but all the *pax* are DHL customers and the planes are painted in DHL colours, and the fly on DHL airwaybills..
DHL ??? I thought that was a strictly freight company