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Eurofly Drops A350  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7662 times:



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Eurofly SpA, an Italian regional airline, dropped plans to buy three Airbus SAS A350 long-range planes because of delays caused by redesigns to the aircraft, now expected to fly in 2013.

Airbus wanted 24 months more than previously agreed to deliver the A350-XWB planes to Eurofly, the carrier said in a stock-exchange statement today.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=122820

IMO Eurofly backed out as they don´t see the need for more long-haul capacity beyond their current A330-200 fleet and have decided to not-commit ressources at this moment. Can remember that some weeks ago a member on this board hinted towards them having some problems at the moment. They might become a B787 customer but I doubt it - unlilkely that they would be able to get any ordered frame before 2013.


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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7631 times:

So now with Eurofly and Air Europa gone, which carriers are left with the swap?

Drew



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7493 times:



Quoting KL808 (Reply 1):
So now with Eurofly and Air Europa gone, which carriers are left with the swap?

Basically, with TAM firming this month, just Kingfisher is left - and we may see movement on that in the near future.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9977 posts, RR: 96
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7315 times:
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Quoting Moo (Reply 2):
Quoting KL808 (Reply 1):
So now with Eurofly and Air Europa gone, which carriers are left with the swap?


Basically, with TAM firming this month, just Kingfisher is left - and we may see movement on that in the near future.

And GECAS?

Rgds


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7203 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):

And GECAS?

GECAS never had a firm order, they had a LoI/MoU and Airbus switched to the XWB prior to them firming that order.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12391 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6829 times:
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This week's electronic Flight International says that all the old A350 contracts are now dealt with. TAM's signing of a firm contract was the last conversion to XWB.

TAM - converted 10 A350s to 22 A350XWBs (that's a lot of compensation!  wink  )

Europa - switched from 10 x A350 to 8 x 787 (when will the order be removed from Airbus' O&D spreadsheet?)

Eurofly - not going to take A350 (in the Flight article, Leahy is suggesting they are looking to convert the order to A330s)

Kingfisher - according to the PR that went with their Paris announcement, their original order for 5 x A350 was converted to XWBs and an additional order for 15 was included in the MOU.
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre..._20_kingfisher_50_wide_single.html

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The agreement is for 15 A350-800 XWBs in addition to the five converted from their original order for the A350

Press reports suggest the IT MOU will be firmed "any day now".

GECAS - will not order the A350 until it has GE engines under the wing, but, since they never signed a firm order, this doesn't represent a real cancellation. Amusingly, Leahy confirms this is the first order he's ever "lost" because of the unavailability of a specific engine. Interestingly, and very surprising given its popularity, GECAS hasn't yet ordered the 787.



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3374 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6695 times:

A net score of +14 from these is a good result for AB. (they've lost 13 but gained 27!)

I wonder what the next 787/A350 battle will be - probably LH or AF


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6579 times:

Asiana and SV are supposed to be deciding pretty soon too.

User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4492 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 6):
I wonder what the next 787/A350 battle will be - probably LH or AF



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
Asiana and SV are supposed to be deciding pretty soon too.

MH, OS and TK are said to decide soon, too.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2833 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):
Quoting Moo (Reply 2):
Quoting KL808 (Reply 1):
So now with Eurofly and Air Europa gone, which carriers are left with the swap?


Basically, with TAM firming this month, just Kingfisher is left - and we may see movement on that in the near future.

And GECAS?

I might have missed it, but did US ever convert their A-350 (early Mk. numbers) to the A-350XWB. If they did, what version did they take? A-350XWB-800? A-350XWB-900?


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1870 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2798 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
I might have missed it, but did US ever convert their A-350 (early Mk. numbers) to the A-350XWB. If they did, what version did they take? A-350XWB-800? A-350XWB-900?

Yes, they did. Quite a few months ago. They took both -800 and -900, the total number is 22 I believe, but I'm not sure about the model breakdown.

Happy a.net b-day BTW  Smile



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User currently offlineAerofede From Italy, joined Sep 2006, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2640 times:



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Eurofly SpA, an Italian regional airline

Not really a regional, they mostly fly holidays charter and long-haul vacation flight. Not the kind of market addressed by a regional airline.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Eurofly - not going to take A350 (in the Flight article, Leahy is suggesting they are looking to convert the order to A330s)

I don't think they are going to order anything soon, they are getting back their fourth A330 from Air Plus Comet of Spain (they leased it to them as soon as it left the factory, and shlould 1 or 2 years old).

They have some financial troubles, but they are also working to "fix" it. Since GJ has been bought by Meridiana (IG), they have added route, many of them profitable (like FCO-JFK), and will start more new routes in the spring (I have heard of MXP-SEZ).


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12391 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2492 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
I might have missed it, but did US ever convert their A-350 (early Mk. numbers) to the A-350XWB. If they did, what version did they take? A-350XWB-800? A-350XWB-900?

US firmed their A350XWB order on 2nd October. They took 18 of those much-maligned -800s and 4 -900s.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6868 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2282 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 12):
US firmed their A350XWB order on 2nd October. They took 18 of those much-maligned -800s and 4 -900s.

And with RR in place of the original GE...  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2277 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 12):
US firmed their A350XWB order on 2nd October. They took 18 of those much-maligned -800s and 4 -900s.



Quoting PM (Reply 13):
And with RR in place of the original GE...

Thanks


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