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AA MIA Equipment Changes  
User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

The following equipment changes on AA flights from MIA will take place this spring...

MIA-BOS
Current -- 1 x 777, 5 x 757
30MAR -- 1 x 767, 5 x 757
07APR -- 6 x 757

MIA-DFW
Current -- 1 x 777, 5 x 757, 3 x 737
07APR -- 6 x 757, 3 x 737
**It is a bummer to see the 777 flights go. I wonder what will happen to the 777s. I hope they do not start sitting on the ground all day again. We can almost always use more lift on MIA-DFW.

MIA-SFO
Current -- 1 x 767, 2 x 757
07APR -- 3 x 757
**Would not be so bad if they were adding one more 757. I am surprised to see a reduction of seats in this market.

MIA-LAX
Current -- 1 x 777, 1 x 767, 4 x 757, 1 x 737
07APR -- 1 x 777, 1 x 767, 3 x 757, 2 x 737
**The 73s are nicer, but I would rather have the extra seats available to LAX.

MIA-BOG
Current -- 2 x A300, 1 x 757
07APR -- 1 x A300, 2 x 757
**Hmmm was the extra frequency really necessary?? If AA is forced to give up the extra frequencies they can always put back 2 x A300.

MIA-SJU
Current -- 5 x A300, 2 x 757
07APR -- 3 x A300, 4 x 757
**Where is all the A300 lift going? The late night #8 flight is not back in the schedule yet for summer.

These are probably adjustments prior to the announcement of the Spring/Summer schedule changes, but there are a lot of widebody flights out of the MIA schedule...
2 x 777
1 x 767
3 x A300

Also every single equipment change has been a downgrade.

AJMIA


Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1695 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

The MIA-DFW downgrade is a slap in the face. Now if you want to get on a T7 domestic out of DFW, you can only go to ORD!


"Things change, friends leave, life doesn't stop for anybody." -- EAT'EM UP EAT'EM UP KSU!!
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2682 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

What gives with MIA-SFO? Are yields bad, or do they need the 763 for another route out of MIA?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32888 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

With AA expanding long-haul flying this summer - 2x JFK-STN, JFK-MXP, JFK-BCN, ORD-EZE, ORD-DEM - this shouldn't come as a surprise. They need the lift to go to Europe. And when winter comes around, the tide flows right back to Miami where they need the lift to go to South America.

Many of these downgrades are using planes that are typically sitting in between international flights - like the SFO 763 and DFW 772. With the new schedule, they are getting even better use of the 772s and 763s by placing them on less domestic rotations and moving them quicker between international flying.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
Are yields bad, or do they need the 763 for another route out of MIA?

They need all the 763s they can get for Europe. At an average round-trip fare of $530, yields are anything but bad on this route, one of AA's biggest trans-con cash cows thanks to a monopoly on MIA-California (though VX should be ending that monopoly by year's end).

[Edited 2008-01-28 15:43:53]


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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5148 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):

MIA-SFO
Current -- 1 x 767, 2 x 757
07APR -- 3 x 757
**Would not be so bad if they were adding one more 757. I am surprised to see a reduction of seats in this market.

I think AA is adapting to the market, MIA-SFO is not an extremely large market. AA caries around 528 people per day on the route, so that's 264 people each way on average. That leaves around 300 seats for connecting passengers.


It's good to see AA adding a 6th year round frequency on BOS-MIA. I believe the O&D numbers between Boston and Miami have risen over the last couple of years.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32888 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Quoting B752OS (Reply 4):

I think AA is adapting to the market, MIA-SFO is not an extremely large market. AA caries around 528 people per day on the route, so that's 264 people each way on average. That leaves around 300 seats for connecting passengers.

Absolutely nothing to do with "adopting" to the market. It has to do with moving the planes to Europe. Miami-Bay Area is quite a large market at over 1,300 passengers a day.

This isn't the first time that AA has removed the 763 from MIA-SFO during the summer months. They didn't do it last year, but they've done it plenty of times. Those planes need to go to Europe. They also typically operate 2x 763 on MIA-LAX during the winter when they have more free 763 capacity.

[Edited 2008-01-28 15:48:03]


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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5128 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Absolutely nothing to do with "adopting" to the market. It has to do with moving the planes to Europe. Miami-Bay Area is quite a large market at over 1,300 passengers a day.

Sure the MIA-Bay area may be large, but we are talking about MIA-SFO, not MIA-OAK, SJC and SFO.

It makes sense they send the planes to Europe, but I would also imagine there is a drop off due to seasonal traffic


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2369 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5107 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
**Hmmm was the extra frequency really necessary?? If AA is forced to give up the extra frequencies they can always put back 2 x A300.

Exactly. AA could easily place those frequencies for JFK-BOG/MDE. But no, they add another MIA-MDE, and another MIA-BOG. A 757 on JFK-BOG would work well. They operated this route in the early 90s but withdrew because of political instability in the region during that time.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32888 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5105 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 6):

Sure the MIA-Bay area may be large, but we are talking about MIA-SFO, not MIA-OAK, SJC and SFO.

An MIA-SFO traveller may just as well fly FLL-SFO or MIA-SJC. Airlines consider SFO/OAK/SJC (QSF) one market size. LAX/ONT/LGB/ONT/SNA one market size (QLA). MIA/FLL/PBI one market size (MFW). Unfortunately, DOT doesn't combine the numbers like they do for other cities.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 6):
It makes sense they send the planes to Europe, but I would also imagine there is a drop off due to seasonal traffic

There isn't much seasonality in the local market because the peaks operate reverse of each other. SFO to MIA peaks in winter; MIA to SFO peaks in summer.

There is seasonality in the connections via MIA to Caribbean/South America, which peak in winter.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32888 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5082 times:



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 7):

Exactly. AA could easily place those frequencies for JFK-BOG/MDE. But no, they add another MIA-MDE, and another MIA-BOG. A 757 on JFK-BOG would work well. They operated this route in the early 90s but withdrew because of political instability in the region during that time.

When you consider that:
1) MIA accounts for 49% of local traffic between the U.S. and Colombia and,
2) is still underserved capacity-wise because of severe restrictions on the number of flights, and
3) that MIA-BOG/MDE will bring in fares comparative to JFK-BOG/MDE, yet the entire MIA-MDE-MIA round-trip can be operated in roughly the time that it takes to operate one JFK-BOG leg

It makes perfect sense why these are going to MIA and not JFK.

And please tell AA how "easy" it would be to find a 757 from their tight schedule and high utilization to block an entire day so it can fly JFK-BOG.

If AA actually had the aircraft to add a JFK-BOG flight on the whim, I think they would have seriously considered doing it. It's a good market, and I do think AA should enter it, but currently, they don't have the resources to, especially when you consider the alternative which uses less resources and will probably proove more profitable.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5071 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Many of these downgrades are using planes that are typically sitting in between international flights - like the SFO 763 and DFW 772. With the new schedule, they are getting even better use of the 772s and 763s by placing them on less domestic rotations and moving them quicker between international flying.

Point well taken, but these downgrades are more drastic than we have seen in past summers. You would think they would add an extra 737 or 757 to make up for some of the capacity.

Also there are no A300s to Europe. Where are the extra A300s going to be used??

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

I also notice JFK is losing some flights as well.
JFK-SDQ will only operate 2x per day this summer, this is the lowest amount of service I remember seeing. JFK-SJU will operate 4x per day, JFK-STI 2x per day. Anyone know where this capacity is going? Most of these flights are generally operated by A300's.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2369 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5033 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
MIA accounts for 49% of local traffic between the U.S. and Colombia and,

So the other 51% go to NYC. Big grin

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
And please tell AA how "easy" it would be to find a 757 from their tight schedule and high utilization to block an entire day so it can fly JFK-BOG.

I can't tell them but you sure can Mark. I mean you are Mr. AA/MIA, I am sure they would listen to you. You win, MIA-MDE/BOG make more money and make more sense.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
It's a good market, and I do think AA should enter it,

I am glad you agree on at least that.  Silly



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32888 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5023 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 10):

Point well taken, but these downgrades are more drastic than we have seen in past summers.

AA is embarking on quite a heavier European expansion this year than in the past. This year there is a net gain of four daily widebody European flights, plus ORD-EZE. And if they could have done some clever scheduling to get even more widebody capacity, they would have been launching JFK-NCE.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 10):
You would think they would add an extra 737 or 757 to make up for some of the capacity.

They would love to. They can't. AA has heavy capacity shortages right now and it will continue until at least mid-2009. They don't have planes to suddenly throw in more trans-con frequencies. Let's hope that the Eagle sale goes throw and some contract flying comes in. This will likely allow more marginal routes (mainly out of DFW and ORD) to shift to RJ flying, and free-up a lot of mainline planes. Let's not forget that the 757 fleet is about a 18 planes smaller this summer than last summer.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 10):

Also there are no A300s to Europe. Where are the extra A300s going to be used??

We have not seen the final summer schedule, and won't until mid/late February. There is serious talk of upgrading MIA-MAR to an A300, that might be one place to see extra lift. Also, if NK is awarded MDE flights, AA will take steps necessary to flood the market with excess capacity, and A300s might be sent to Medellin as well.



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User currently offlineCrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
Also there are no A300s to Europe. Where are the extra A300s going to be used??

3 of AA's A300 leases expire in 2008. AA has indicated in the past it does not plan on renewing these leases so they could likely be gone for good.

[Edited 2008-01-28 16:10:06]

User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4997 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Let's not forget that the 757 fleet is about a 18 planes smaller this summer than last summer.

Yes, I am still disappointed over the sale of those former TWA 757s. Do you really believe the savings justified the sacrifice?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
There is serious talk of upgrading MIA-MAR to an A300, that might be one place to see extra lift.

Do you think the Chavez government will allow the upgrade? They turned AA down on new routes to Valencia and Margarita Island.

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2682 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4990 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
They need all the 763s they can get for Europe. At an average round-trip fare of $530, yields are anything but bad on this route, one of AA's biggest trans-con cash cows thanks to a monopoly on MIA-California (though VX should be ending that monopoly by year's end).

Will we see the 763 come back as it has in previous years then? I don't think I'm alone in preferring a 763 over a 752 for a 5.5 hour flight, and would love to see it come back.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32888 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4963 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 15):
Yes, I am still disappointed over the sale of those former TWA 757s. Do you really believe the savings justified the sacrifice?

Not at all. I think it was absolutely idiotic.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 15):
Do you think the Chavez government will allow the upgrade? They turned AA down on new routes to Valencia and Margarita Island.

While they did deny charter flights to Margarita Island, they did not turn down AA's MIA-VLN application. They have not made a decision on the matter, and it is still pending. However, AA is free to adjust capacity on MIA-MAR however they please, and they are also allowed to add more frequencies to the route. AA has unlimited freedom to add capacity and frequency to MIA-CCS/MAR and CCS-DFW/JFK/SJU.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 16):

Will we see the 763 come back as it has in previous years then? I don't think I'm alone in preferring a 763 over a 752 for a 5.5 hour flight, and would love to see it come back.

Yes, I think so, because with increase Latin America flying in the winter months, there are more 763s rotated through MIA and more parked on the tarmac.

Of course, it entirely depends on how AA grows in winter 2008. Only one new European route is possibly on the table for winter 2008 as of now - Miami-Milan (AA will probably decide on this by May) - and expanded frequencies to Santiago de Chile and Buenos Aires (with a daylight flight) are possible.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4895 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
**Hmmm was the extra frequency really necessary?? If AA is forced to give up the extra frequencies they can always put back 2 x A300

the third frequency is only fully necessary in the higher travel periods... (5 months a year)

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 7):
They operated this route in the early 90s but withdrew because of political instability in the region during that time.

No, they kept BOG-MIA during those times. They quit because they were doing very bad.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 12):
So the other 51% go to NYC

Nope. They go to Orlando, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington and Los Angeles too.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
the third frequency is only fully necessary in the higher travel periods... (5 months a year)

And still, I believe American manages to make all three flights profitable year-round. Nonetheless, with so much capacity, yields must have dropped lower than where they want them to be. Same goes for MDE.

The second daily flight to MDE has been filling without a problem, but at significantly lower fares than the traditional evening departure MIA-MDE.


SA.

[Edited 2008-01-28 16:56:09]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32888 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4846 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 19):
The second daily flight to MDE has been filling without a problem, but at significantly lower fares than the traditional evening departure MIA-MDE.

Two things to keep in mind though, is that while yields are going down, fixed costs - notably operating the MDE ground station - go down. And cargo profits typically aren't hurt by additional capacity, since I believe most is transported at fixed rates.

More flights to BOG might also mean more work for BOG-based flight attendants, and increases their productivity.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2369 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4818 times:



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
No, they kept BOG-MIA during those times. They quit because they were doing very bad.

Source please?

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
Nope. They go to Orlando, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington and Los Angeles too.

Yes. There are more Colombians in the NY/NJ area than Orlando, Chicago, Washington, Los Angeles, and what ever other city you want to mention. After South Florida, NJ/NY have the second largest population of Colombians in the United States. Time to check your sources my friend.



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User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

How much longer before we see MIA-SSA? I hate flying to GRU and then back up to SSA. Doing it tomorrow DFW-GRU-SSA.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32888 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 22):
How much longer before we see MIA-SSA? I hate flying to GRU and then back up to SSA. Doing it tomorrow DFW-GRU-SSA.

Not for a while. AA's request for SSA and REC flights was rejected. TAM and Varig were strongly against it and apparently, TAM promised to add more capacity to Northeast-Miami this summer. TAM didn't lie. They will operate MIA-MAO 2x daily starting in July, with both a morning 763 departure and an evening A320 departure. During late June and through July, the daylight MIA-GRU flight will also stop in SSA on additional days, as well as make stops in Recife and Natal on select days.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 21):

Yes. There are more Colombians in the NY/NJ area than Orlando, Chicago, Washington, Los Angeles, and what ever other city you want to mention. After South Florida, NJ/NY have the second largest population of Colombians in the United States. Time to check your sources my friend.

He was just pointing out that the other 51% is not just going to NYC.

[Edited 2008-01-28 17:25:32]


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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4761 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Two things to keep in mind though, is that while yields are going down, fixed costs - notably operating the MDE ground station - go down.

Does that apply even if American manages an outsourcing strategy with a local company which provides them their ground staff? I mean, those contracts must operate at fixed costs as well.


SA.


25 NYCAAer : 2009 is also going to another interesting year for downgrades when ORD-PEK starts. I wonder where they'll get 2 772s to operate the route. They better
26 Cubsrule : AA seems to still have a fair amount of domestic widebody flying in the summer schedule; ORD still sees 763s to at least MIA, SFO, and LAX (though OR
27 Ualcsr : A little off topic here, but I flew MIA-CCS last Saturday (1/19) on flight 2107. It was supposed to be a 757 but we had a plane change to a 767. I was
28 Post contains images Commavia : Pathetic, isn't it?
29 MAH4546 : Well, it would entirely depend on how the outsourcing contract was structured, but, most likely, yes. Good question. FWIW, they have more 772s on ord
30 Ualcsr : I fly down to CCS lots, always on a 737, 757 or AB6. I was just really surprised we got a 767 as I'd not seen it at CCS, at least I'd never been on i
31 AA767400 : MIA-CCS would not receive them since it is not scheduled to. Just like MIA-POS,ORD-HNL,LAX-HNL, etc. Only IFS flights receive them. ORD-HNL is a very
32 Anetter123 : One 763 route I'm surprised is staying and not downgrading to a 757 is MIA-POS. Loads and cargo must be excellent on this route and once AA gets more
33 NYCAAer : [quote=Ualcsr,reply=27]I've flown the old 767s in C class (no personal IFE) but I'd thought AA would've installed personal IFEs with the newer seats/q
34 MAH4546 : NK is not coming. Trinidad government denied their application to fly to T&T, in what was most clearly a move to protect young Caribbean Airlines fro
35 Anetter123 : Really?! Flights to POS are among the most expensive ones in the Caribbean. I work with a few Trini's in my job always complaining about how expensiv
36 JDAirCEO : It is a real shame the 767 dont always have the units avail in F/J. The planes were not hard-wired with one at each seat to save time and money. Howev
37 AJMIA : MIA-POS will have an extra 757 four days per week 4/7 thru 9/3 for the summer high season. The plane will make an extra MIA-BGI run on the other thre
38 NYCAAer : American considers it a big deal if one of the head sets or personal entertainment devices is missing because they are inventoried by Rockwell Collin
39 AA767400 : They need to have them counted and collected before arrival so to not have any problems. Plus they are not going to take it from you when the landing
40 MAH4546 : These will likely be extended past 9/3.
41 RCS763AV : I check my sources, and all i was saying was that the other 51% of the traffic does not go to NY. Time to check on your reading comprehension skills,
42 AA767400 : And I was saying that MOST of the 51% of Colombian traffic goes to NY/NJ not all. It was my mistake to not have stated otherwise. Time to learn to tr
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