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French President Threatens To Sue Ryanair Over Ad  
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9420 times:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/eu...1/28/sarkozy.ryanair.ap/index.html

Excerpt:

PARIS, France (AP) -- French President Nicolas Sarkozy has asked his lawyer to take legal action against low-cost airline Ryanair for using a photo of him and girlfriend Carla Bruni in an advertisement, a spokesman said Monday.

The advert, published Monday in the French daily Le Parisien, showed the smiling couple with a comic book speech bubble coming from Bruni's mouth saying: "With Ryanair, all my family can come to my wedding."


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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

What's so bad about that?


J.I. Tsui, American Advantage Member, United Mileage Plus (Premier)
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9269 times:



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 1):
What's so bad about that?

In addition to the unauthorized use of his photograph, it insinuates that his family is of the class to have to use Ryanair.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

Public figures are fare game and can be used in parody, but generally not for commercial advertising purposes, without consent. At least that's how it is in the USA (the fine line that is drawn) and I assume it's similar in France.


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9230 times:

I think it's a law in France that you can't use anyone's photograph in advertising without their consent. I was a little tired on a layover and was watching TV5 Monde half asleep and there was a documentary about this. Carla Bruni is a lovely lady, though. I had her as a passenger in F on JFK-CDG about 12 years ago. So polite and very classy. She knew how to treat the help (us lowly F/As) graciously. I'm happy for Monsieur le Président!

User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

I see. Thanks for explaining. That sounds true, huh?


J.I. Tsui, American Advantage Member, United Mileage Plus (Premier)
User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 8895 times:

i think sarkozy is over reacting. Here in finland we have a computer animated show with all the important government ppl and they mock them more than sarkozy. I dont think this is a big deal. I think in a way he should be honored to have been picked the face for ryanair for Europes leading cheap airline. Also ive noticed its started to get into a bit of trend to fly on the cheaper airlines. I do occasionall fly AY to geneva to meet my parents, but enjoy as much flying with FR to London to meet school friends. I think sarkozy over reacted and i think he will relaize in the coming days that if he sues them he might get more unpopular than he already is.

-Sailas



Airlines been on: AY, LX, SR, OS, SK, KF, EZY, FR, BA, LH, AF, TG, DC, FC, TK, KL, BT, CX, QR
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8852 times:



Quoting Sailas (Reply 6):
i think sarkozy is over reacting.

In my "humble" opinion, I disagree and for once 100% back Sarko.

Quoting Sailas (Reply 6):
Here in finland we have a computer animated show with all the important government ppl and they mock them more than sarkozy

Similar TV show in France. But that's DIFFERENT to advertising. And did Ryanair ask M. Sarkozy for his permission? I doubt it.

Quoting Sailas (Reply 6):
I think sarkozy over reacted and i think he will relaize in the coming days that if he sues them he might get more unpopular than he already is.

Rubbish (not the unpopular bit, that I totally agree with, his popularity is just going down hill constantly, much as I expected since he was elected). But this will in no way make him more unpopular in France in my opinion, except maybe amongst MOL and the odd Ryanair fan. Ryanair spend so much of its money sueing everyone left right and centre, it's good tos ee them getting a taste of their own medicine. Wasn't it the Swedish PM who only recently sued Ryanair for a similar reaspon? They reached an out-of-court settlement I believe. I think Sarko, being the type he is, if he does pursue this, may be harder than the Swedish PM, and I think if anyone may regret this action in the future it will be Ryanair cause as things, unfortunately, work here in France, Sarko could make things difficult for them in this Air France dominated land! (Personnally I'd love to see FR suffer over this and allow EZY, a real low-cost carrier, gain some extra ground in France). I'm sick and tired for My Michael O'Leary sueing everyone and taking the pi** out of anyone he wants to. You ever been to DUB?? Now one of Europe's 10 busiest airports, but with very small outdated facilities given the rapid economic expansion in Ireland and huge traffic growth at DUB. Well they're building Terminal 2 at last... but it's been delayed numerous times, and by who... that idiot, Michael O'Leary. So all users at DUB continue to suffer and will continue to suffer a bit longer due to that fool delaying something the travelling public desperately needs. I say, Sarko, teach MOL a lesson à la française!
Despite this I will admit MOL is one hell of a business man, but I do think his time is coming to an end and his incredibly aggressive business methods are bound to start back-firing on him soon. Sadly, all this is simply more publicity for Ryanair, and that's their objective.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9437 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

In Germany the penalty is usually Euro 50.000,00 which then is donated to charity. Even a president has a right to privacy (well, OK Sarkozy uses the press, but) which means that his picture cannot be exploited commercially.

MOL will have to pay, and Sarkozy won't take free tickets, unless its a Falcon.

 Wink



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8816 times:

As far as I hate Sarkozy, I have to say he is right to do so. This is just another provocation of this lousy airline. This not the first time they act that way, using famous people image for their commercials without even asking their permission to do so.
This is very revealing of the mentality of FR's Manager


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8784 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 9):
As far as I hate Sarkozy, I have to say he is right to do so. This is just another provocation of this lousy airline. This not the first time they act that way, using famous people image for their commercials without even asking their permission to do so.
This is very revealing of the mentality of FR's Manager

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can' t agree more with you on each and every single word
Cryanair is going CHEAP in everything they do

 sarcastic   down   bored 



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User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined Sep 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8760 times:



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 1):
What's so bad about that?

It's just in bad taste ...

Sarkozy's former wife just won a partial award in her law suit against a french paper for publishing her bikini clad photograph next to Kozy's girlfriend - Bruni - also in a bikini ...

I wonder what would happen if they started publishing pictures of Bill Clinton holding a cigar ???


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27033 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8738 times:



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 7):
In my "humble" opinion, I disagree and for once 100% back Sarko.

Correct

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 7):
Similar TV show in France. But that's DIFFERENT to advertising

Correct again .

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
In Germany the penalty is usually Euro 50.000,00 which then is donated to charity.

I hope that he sues MOL and gives the money to charity. That will make his stance even more worth while.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8521 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 2):
In addition to the unauthorized use of his photograph, it insinuates that his family is of the class to have to use Ryanair.

So this French President is a better being than Tony and Cherie Blair, who used FR when travelling to Rome and South West France?

If VS had used the photograph I am sure there would not be a whisper.

FR and MOL must be laughing at the free publicity that Nicolas Sarkozy has thrown them - it be worth the EURO 50,000 fine!



MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8190 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 2):
In addition to the unauthorized use of his photograph, it insinuates that his family is of the class to have to use Ryanair.

No, actually it implies that they will be getting married, something that hasn't been announced AFAIK.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 13):
FR and MOL must be laughing at the free publicity that Nicolas Sarkozy has thrown them - it be worth the EURO 50,000 fine!

Too right! Endless publicity for such a small figure. And we all know what happens after such "bad" publicity - sales increase!

Despite innumerable precedents, people continue to rise to the bait. When will they learn? If they shut-up FR wouldn´t win. If they rise to the bait, make a scene, FR will win due to the massive publicity - cheap if they´re fined EUR50,000.

It´s the same on A.net: I have read various bits about MOL being an "attention whore." Guess what? By talking about it and him, you´re doing precisely what he wants.

The key is to shut up, let it fly over your head, and it´d be forgotten very soon after it materalises.

[Edited 2008-01-29 10:05:27]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8150 times:



Quoting BCAL (Reply 13):
So this French President is a better being than Tony and Cherie Blair, who used FR when travelling to Rome and South West France?

Don´t forget a Swedish princess (or something) flew FR and, according to one FR book, was quoted as having enjoyed it.

Ryanair. The airline of royalty.  Big grin



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27033 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8140 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
No, actually it implies that they will be getting married, something that hasn't been announced AFAIK.

He has already said to the press they will know about it after it has happened!!! He will do it in secret if he can.


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8096 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 15):
Too right! Endless publicity for such a small figure. And we all know what happens after such "bad" publicity - sales increase!

Despite innumerable precedents, people continue to rise to the bait. When will they learn? If they shut-up FR wouldn´t win. If they rise to the bait, make a scene, FR will win due to the massive publicity - cheap at EUR50,000.

even if you're absolutely right on the principle, it doesn't change the fact that this type of "attack" is soooo low class
but in a way it's fitting perfectly Fryanair

Quoting BCAL (Reply 13):
FR and MOL must be laughing at the free publicity that Nicolas Sarkozy has thrown them - it be worth the EURO 50,000 fine!

exact
but again it reveals their "the sun" way of thinking
you might perceive it normal, we perceive it as grotesque



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8044 times:



Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 18):
even if you're absolutely right on the principle, it doesn't change the fact that this type of "attack" is soooo low class
but in a way it's fitting perfectly Fryanair

And it´s highly successful.

Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 18):
but again it reveals their "the sun" way of thinking

Well, durrr! It has never pretended to be anything but.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

Probably, as Ryanair and other businesses have done with such ads is to figure that it will be an intentional stunt, one-shot or short term ad playing on current events attracting a lot of attention and due to their controversy, leverage loads of free advertising via the media in France and elsewhere. In other words, it works great for a modest cost. Sure it's a bit sleazy, but many ads are anyway, at least MOL is more willing to do it figuring the attention exceeds the crap he'll gets from the French President.

User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7747 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
And it´s highly successful.

it's successful for the buzz but I am not sure it will generate thousands of new French customers: everybody knows Sleazair over here and it's not seen as "the" airline to fly

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
Well, durrr! It has never pretended to be anything but.

yeah...remember, we have no " the sun" on this side of the channel and for a reason: this kind of humour is seen as over-gross and doesn't make laugh anybody



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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7035 times:



Quoting Sailas (Reply 6):
I think sarkozy over reacted and i think he will relaize in the coming days that if he sues them he might get more unpopular than he already is.

Ummmm....he was an ELECTED official, so I can't see how this is possible...or is this just YOUR opinion because he happens to be friendly with the United States.



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6903 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 15):
Too right! Endless publicity for such a small figure. And we all know what happens after such "bad" publicity - sales increase!

The FR head of Operations has openly admitted that they do it on purpose - much cheaper than forking out millions to an advertising agency!



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User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6872 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 2):

In addition to the unauthorized use of his photograph, it insinuates that his family is of the class to have to use Ryanair.

And what, pray tell, is the problem of using an airline with a great reliability record and fares that keep some of their competitors shaking their heads?

In any event, can anyone post a location where the image of the ad is online?



"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
25 Pe@rson : Indeed. I believe there are 2 people in FR that are responsible for ads. They´re all homemade, so they´re all absurdly simple and cheap. But they´
26 MotorHussy : If there was a class implication, it would be about her family. But considering that she comes from an excellent pedigree with minor aristocratic lin
27 Varig md-11 : what's the problem to drive a Hyundai when everybody around you drive a Mercedes?
28 TravelExec : You can love 'em or hate 'em, but Ryanair's ads are super effective. If this cost €50k of fines, plus the print buy, it is cheap at half the cost.
29 Post contains images Viscount724 : Here's a small image of the ad as it appeared in Le Parisien newspaper: Rough translation: Ryanair - for all occasions. 100,000 tickets. Pay only the
30 Post contains images Leskova : I can only agree to that. Not that I'm surprised that Ryanair has found a new low to sink to... Wow... I'd never think you'd consider MOL a "small fi
31 Toulouse : Totally agree with all you say Varig md-11. It's true, in my five years I haven't heard a good word about Ryanair from a French person... intelligent
32 Post contains images RICARIZA :
33 Analog : So what? The photo in the FR ad is not insulting or undignified, whereas the ad you describe does sound a bit "iffy". Ignoring the fact that French l
34 YULWinterSkies : Extremely harsh since: 1. as pointed out it insinuates that the Sarkozys and Brunis are "cheap" enough to fly FR. Unlike maybe what FR wants people t
35 MotorHussy : And her family clearly don't need to.
36 FRAspotter : Sarkozy isn't overreacting. He has every legal right to sue RyanAir for using his picture without permission on an advertisment which is meant to bri
37 Pe@rson : The premise of the advertisement is to make people aware that Ryanair´s latest deal enables everyone to attend big get-togethers; in short, that Rya
38 Flyorski : Exactly, from an advertising perspective it is a great idea. Very inexpensive, and yet reaches large amounts of people. The fact that people really a
39 Viscount724 : Ryanair may be able to avoid legal action by offering the happy couple free tickets from Paris to their choice of Ryanair destinations for their honey
40 DK001 : If the French President does sue Ryanair, and Ryanair decide to fight the case (more publicity). Could you have the situation where the President of F
41 Analog : Not everyone that can afford a Ferrari buys one. Sometimes well-off people like to save money. That's not a bad thing; it's a good thing. Legally the
42 Post contains images Varig md-11 : we are 100% on the same line! FR flies to France to serve UK and Irish people mainly FR has an ultra low reputation over here compared to Easyjet whi
43 Airlittoralguy : I strongly disagree : FR is well recognized and appreciated here in France. People enjoy their great fares and the quality of their product to travel
44 Airlittoralguy : As it comes to Sarkozy, it's not the first time "le nain" is ludicrous. He goes to Disneyland to enable journalists to sell as many newspapers as poss
45 Post contains links Voodoo : Crossing the Channel......... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7216926.stm "Ryanair refused to withdraw the image and said the ruling was "censorsh
46 Post contains images GrahamHill : He is not "over reacting", as you say. In France, it is forbidden to use the image of someone without his/her consent. Sarko is in his right to sue F
47 Varig md-11 : I am sorry but I strongly disagree I am working in airports in France for more than 10 years and I never heard anybody telling me how Cryanair is gre
48 Post contains images GrahamHill : Vive le Stade Malherbe!!
49 Toulouse : Exactly! As an irish man who one might imagine would support an Irish airline as is Ryanair (unfortunately) and not Easyjet (an English airline) well
50 BCAL : The purpose of the advert was to attract attention to FR and it has succeeded brilliantly. For starters, it had a 90-second exposure on Spanish TV new
51 Post contains images GrahamHill : I'm one of them!
52 Toulouse : Not French, but I'm also one of them. Having a good time in Dublin I hope. I see you're in the localisation industry, very interesting. You should jo
53 Post contains images GrahamHill : I am! But the weather is not quite the same as the one you have in Toulouse! I've posted a couple of times on the Irish aviation thread, but will sur
54 Elite : This isn't going to be the first time FR has had such issues. Props for being creative, but there has to be some sort of boundary, especially with suc
55 Post contains images Sailas : They might have not asked for permission, but i still think this is not a HUGE deal. A bigger deal would be Ryanair advertising with bill and monica
56 Post contains links GrahamHill : A quick update : Ryan Air has lost its trial against Sarko/Bruni, despite the "deepest apologies" from the Irish company. Ryan Air must pay a nominal
57 Post contains images Pe@rson : Brilliant! Very cheap, very effective, very funny.
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