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Question About NWs NRT Hub  
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

I have been looking into NW's NRT,NGO and KIX flights. I need you guys to tell me how close I am.

NRT:
NRT-PEK 2x A330
NRT-PVG 2x A330
NRT-CAN 2x 757
NRT-HKG 2x A330
NRT-ICN 2x A330
NRT-MNL 2x 744
NRT-SPN 2x A330
NRT-PUS 2x 757
NRT-BKK 2x A330
NRT-SIN 2x A330
NRT-LAX 2x 744
NRT-SFO 2x A330
NRT-SEA 1x A330
NRT-HNL 2x 744
NRT-PDX 1x A330
MSP-NRT 1x 744
DTW-NRT 1x 744

KIX:
KIX-TPE 2x 744
KIX-SPN 2x 757
KIX-GUM 2x 757
KIA-DTW 2x 744

NGO:
NGO-MNL 2x 757
NGO-SPN 2x 757
NGO-GUM 2x 744
NGO-DTW 2x 744

I got all this from NWA.com (I sat here and searched each and every city) so don't be to harsh. Also how many total NRT slots does NWA have? Are all the A330s that fly into NRT A332s or do they have A333s? also Doesn't NW have the rights to fly DTW-PEK but doesn't use them?
ok thanks for the help guys


yep.
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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3783 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Thread starter):
I got all this from NWA.com (I sat here and searched each and every city) so don't be to harsh. Also how many total NRT slots does NWA have? Are all the A330s that fly into NRT A332s or do they have A333s? also Doesn't NW have the rights to fly DTW-PEK but doesn't use them?
ok thanks for the help guys

I'll check your flights/cities when I get to work, though I'm betting someone'll beat me to it. Looks pretty good at first glance. I assume you're looking only for commercial traffic, but don't forget the freighters, which add quite a bit to NWA's movements at NRT.

As a rule, NRT only sees 332's... The 333's go over the Atlantic. That's not to say that there aren't some there from time to time, of course.

As for DTW-PEK, the answer (IIRC) is yes.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3780 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 1):
As for DTW-PEK, the answer (IIRC) is yes.

so if NW had the slots they could start DTW-PEK tomorrow?

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 1):
As a rule, NRT only sees 332's... The 333's go over the Atlantic. That's not to say that there aren't some there from time to time, of course.

thought so but wasn't sure

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 1):
I'll check your flights/cities when I get to work, though I'm betting someone'll beat me to it. Looks pretty good at first glance. I assume you're looking only for commercial traffic, but don't forget the freighters, which add quite a bit to NWA's movements at NRT.

thanks......If you can get the 742F flights to that would be great



yep.
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Most of the routes where you have a 2x daily frequency are only once daily (I don't think there's a single intra-Asia route that is more than once a day). None of the routes to KIX or NGO are more than once a day. On the other hand, DTW-NRT is 2x daily, MSP-NRT is 8x weekly, and SEA-NRT is 10x weekly (during the upcoming summer, anyways).

332s fly to SEA, SFO, PDX, BKK, SIN, ICN, PEK. All other intra-Asia are 752 or 744 (744 goes to PVG and HKG).

333s fly exclusively to HNL, GUM, SPN, however they will fly 3x weekly on SEA-NRT this upcoming summer. Even SEA-NRT is a bit of a stretch for these planes (and it's the shortest TransPacific at about 4800 miles).

NW has the rights to 3 daily flights to China, from anywhere in the USA or NRT I believe. However, they choose to route them through NRT in order to provide west coast travellers with connections (otherwise, they'd be ceding almost 1/2 the US-China market to UA exclusively).

NW's NRT hub works very well - flights are perfectly timed for connections and there's rarely delays or other issues. Much preferrable to dealing with SFO (the only other real option out of SEA) if you ask me.


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

I took a look for just a few, and think Your frequencies are a bit high

NRT-SFO =1 (330)
NRT-LAX =1 (747)
NRT-PEK =1 (330)
NRT-PVG =1 (747)
NRT-BKK =1 (330)

The SFO freq. has been only one for years.


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3720 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 3):
333s fly exclusively to HNL, GUM, SPN,

I was wondering about the "beach" flights when I posted...

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
thanks......If you can get the 742F flights to that would be great

No problem!



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3717 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Thread starter):
NRT:
NRT-PEK 2x A330
NRT-PVG 2x A330
NRT-CAN 2x 757
NRT-HKG 2x A330
NRT-ICN 2x A330
NRT-MNL 2x 744
NRT-SPN 2x A330
NRT-PUS 2x 757
NRT-BKK 2x A330
NRT-SIN 2x A330
NRT-LAX 2x 744
NRT-SFO 2x A330
NRT-SEA 1x A330
NRT-HNL 2x 744
NRT-PDX 1x A330
MSP-NRT 1x 744
DTW-NRT 1x 744

NRT-PEK: NW11, 1x A332
NRT-PVG: NW25, 1x 744
NRT-CAN: NW9 , 1x 75X
NRT-HKG, NW1, 1x 744
NRT-ICN, NW7, 1x A332
NRT-MNL, NW19, 1x 744
NRT-SPN, NW76 , 1x A333
NRT-PUS, NW29, 1x 75X
NRT-BKK, NW27, 1x A332
NRT-SIN, NW5, 1x A332
NRT-LAX, NW2, 1x 744
NRT-SFO, NW28, 1x A332
NRT-SEA, NW8, 1x A332
NRT-HNL, NW10, 1x 744
NRT-HNL, NW22, 1x A333
NRT-PDX, NW6, 1x A332
NRT-MSP, NW20, 1x 744
NRT-MSP, NW14, 1x 744 (Sat Only)
NRT-DTW, NW12, 1x 744
NRT-DTW, NW26, 1X 744

You forgot:

NRT-GUM, NW74, 1x A333
NRT-GUM, NW82, 1x 75X
NRT-NGO, NW77 , 1x 75X

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Thread starter):
KIX:
KIX-TPE 2x 744
KIX-SPN 2x 757
KIX-GUM 2x 757
KIA-DTW 2x 744

KIX-TPE, NW69, 1x 744
KIX-SPN, NW84 , 1x 75X
KIX-GUM, NW80 ,1x 75X
KIX-DTW, NW70, 1x 744

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Thread starter):
NGO:
NGO-MNL 2x 757
NGO-SPN 2x 757
NGO-GUM 2x 744
NGO-DTW 2x 744

NGO-MNL, NW71, 1x 744
NGO-SPN, NW77, 1x 75X
NGO-GUM, NW24, 1x 75X
NGO-DTW, NW72, 1x 744
NGO-NRT, NW78, 1x 75X



In summary, no "south" flight is run double-daily other than GUM and HNL. All planes arriving from the US stopover in NRT (or KIX/NGO) then take out a "south flight". The south flights arrive in NRT then take out the US-bound flights. IMO, quite the smart utilization of their Pacific fleet.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 1):
As a rule, NRT only sees 332's... The 333's go over the Atlantic. That's not to say that there aren't some there from time to time, of course.

The A333's go to NRT, and are routed via HNL. The A333's are used on NRT-HNL, NRT-SPN, NRT-GUM, KIX-HNL.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 1):
As for DTW-PEK, the answer (IIRC) is yes.

787 route, starting March 2009


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3711 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
The A333's go to NRT, and are routed via HNL. The A333's are used on NRT-HNL, NRT-SPN, NRT-GUM, KIX-HNL.

I saw that in RWSEA's post. Thanks for the info! Kinda hard to remember specifics w/o WorldFlight in front of you.  Smile



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3677 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
787 route, starting March 2009

along with DTW-PVG?



yep.
User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3677 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
so if NW had the slots they could start DTW-PEK tomorrow?

NW had DTW-PEK/PVG slots in the 90's but switched them to NRT, and basically had to re-file to get them back, so it's via NRT until at least 2009 when DTW-PVG starts.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

They COULD discontinue NRT-PEK/PVG tomorrow and start DTW back...

They desire to operate both.

NS


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3540 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Thread starter):


NRT:
NRT-PEK 2x A330
NRT-PVG 2x A330
NRT-CAN 2x 757
NRT-HKG 2x A330
NRT-ICN 2x A330
NRT-MNL 2x 744
NRT-SPN 2x A330
NRT-PUS 2x 757
NRT-BKK 2x A330
NRT-SIN 2x A330
NRT-LAX 2x 744
NRT-SFO 2x A330
NRT-SEA 1x A330
NRT-HNL 2x 744
NRT-PDX 1x A330
MSP-NRT 1x 744
DTW-NRT 1x 744

KIX:
KIX-TPE 2x 744
KIX-SPN 2x 757
KIX-GUM 2x 757
KIA-DTW 2x 744

NGO:
NGO-MNL 2x 757
NGO-SPN 2x 757
NGO-GUM 2x 744
NGO-DTW 2x 744

and STILL many people ask "I wonder why Delta wants to buy NW, what do they see in NW"


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3378 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
They COULD discontinue NRT-PEK/PVG tomorrow and start DTW back...

Do You have a source for this? And if they did, they would lose the feed from all the flights that feed the NRT connex.


User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

How many NW airplanes are stationed at NRT? I often see a lot of tails there. The most I counted was 14 I believe, most were 747s. I assume there must have been aircraft at destinatiosn as well.

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3214 times:



Quoting CV880 (Reply 12):
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
They COULD discontinue NRT-PEK/PVG tomorrow and start DTW back...


Do You have a source for this? And if they did, they would lose the feed from all the flights that feed the NRT connex.

I guess that I found my own answer, as the NW route application for nonstop service from DTW, refers to the loss of NRT-China slots, and loss of West Coast feed to the routes, if the authority was switched back to DTW. As NW has been subsequently granted a 2009 route from DTW-PVG, I would assume NRT would continue as is.


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

NRT 74F schedule for 14.jan.08-03.feb.08:


ICN: 1x daily ex. Sun./Mon.

PVG: 2X ex. Tues., which is 1X

TPE: 1x ex. Tues.

CAN: 1X daily

Note: this is looking at the westbound schedule...



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3107 times:



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 13):
How many NW airplanes are stationed at NRT? I often see a lot of tails there. The most I counted was 14 I believe, most were 747s. I assume there must have been aircraft at destinatiosn as well.

Technically only the 757's, all aircraft are based at the following.

744- DTW
742- ANC
757- NRT (Mostly MSP based crews, followed by DTW)
A330- SEA and soon HNL.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2957 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
A330- SEA and soon HNL.

The MSP based crews do a few Pacific flights too. MSP-HNL, and then continuing onto KIX and NRT.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2892 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 17):
The MSP based crews do a few Pacific flights too. MSP-HNL, and then continuing onto KIX and NRT.

Yes but the aircraft are based at Seattle  Wink



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2842 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
Yes but the aircraft are based at Seattle

None of the A333's are based at SEA I don't think. SEA only has A332 flights.....NRT, AMS, and eventually LHR. Well.....save for the seasonal SEA-HNL on the A333, that is.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2822 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 19):
None of the A333's are based at SEA I don't think. SEA only has A332 flights.....NRT, AMS, and eventually LHR. Well.....save for the seasonal SEA-HNL on the A333, that is.

isn't SEA-LHR on a A333?



yep.
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2627 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 20):
isn't SEA-LHR on a A333?

This is a good question that no one really seems to have a definite answer to yet. About the only thing we have to go off of if what the flight is loaded as into the system, and they now have it scheduled as an A330-200. That could change though, obviously. For a short time NW used the A333 on SEA-AMS, which is a bit longer than SEA-LHR. So, really, anything is possible. In the meantime though, SEA to NRT/AMS/LHR are all scheduled to be A332's.


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

Centrair has a good graph showing the A333 and the A332 usage right now. SEA-LHR will be on a A332.


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User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2432 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 19):
None of the A333's are based at SEA I don't think. SEA only has A332 flights.....NRT, AMS, and eventually LHR. Well.....save for the seasonal SEA-HNL on the A333, that is.



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 22):
Centrair has a good graph showing the A333 and the A332 usage right now. SEA-LHR will be on a A332.

SEA will see A333's year round now as SEA-NRT goes 10x weekly with 3x A333's for the warmer half of the year.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2315 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Thread starter):
Also how many total NRT slots does NWA have?

anyone know this?



yep.
25 CV880 : 376 weekly takeoff/landing slots according to a 2007 report. (50% more than UA)
26 Carpethead : For this winter, 386 slots. 310 by passenger flights & 76 by freighters. This is third behind the obvious JL & NH, which NH has only recently overtak
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