Atlantaflyboy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5317 times:
With the US carriers scrambling like mad to get slots at LHR for flights to their fortress hubs and the ability of any European airline to now serve any destination from LHR (slot availability providing - example AF LHR-LAX codeshared w/ DL) I have not seen much info on BA's plans for their US flights. There are a number of destinations that they could previously only serve ex LGW due to Bermuda II. Which, if any, of these destinations will be moved over to LHR completely. Will any current LGW only cities in the US be served both from LHR AND LGW? Will any current LHR cities see reductions and get LGW service instead or in addition to LHR service? ......
This then brings to my mind what will happen within OneWorld and the restrictions placed on BA/AA for Transatlantic flights. Currently AAdvantage members cannot earn or redeem mileage on any BA Transatlantic flights. I believe this was an anti-trust clause added some time ago during the creation of the OneWorld alliance and had to due w/ the financial involvement of BA in AA.
Currently NW/KLM and DL/AF have, and are strengthening, the number of revenue sharing flights as well as code share flights across the Atlantic (And to a lesser extent CO and VS are involved as well). There are no governmental restrictions that I am aware of for inter-alliance partners and the accrual of or redemption of FF awards on either SkyTeam or Star Alliance.
This seems grossly unfair to BA/AA and OneWorld alliance customers. Is there anything in works to change this restriction? If not this would seem to make OneWorld the least desirable of the 3 major alliances across the pond as it allows the least number of customer opportunities for mileage accrual or redemption within the 2 primary alliance partners.
It is grossly unfair, but that's the power of lobbying. For years, airlines that already have had ATI with their respective partners (DL, NW, and UA) have done everything they could to stop AA from having its immunized partner, as that would mean an enormous amount of new competition for them.
AA's competitors can't go on protecting themselves and unfairly keeping out competition (i.e., OW AA/BA ATI) forever. The entire argument that has formed the basis of the anti-AA/BA argument is that LHR was a closed shop, so thus AA/BA shouldn't be allowed to have ATI as other airlines didn't have an opportunity to compete on a level playing field in the U.S.-London market. That argument, as of March, will be moot.
Further, the whole issue of AA/BA being too strong a combined competitor across the Atlantic continues to ring more and more hollow (it's been a B.S. argument since 1996, but it's even more of one now) as - as you say - more and more competing alliances get ATI and essentially combine their Atlantic networks. SkyTeam and Star both have immunized transatlantic networks that are far, far larger than AA+BA (+IB/AY/RJ for that matter, too).
FLVILLA From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 394 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5273 times:
As Commavia has mentioned hopefully AA and BA will get anti-trust immunity shortly after March sometime. Some of the sounds that have been in the press from BA after deciding not to purchase IB was that they where looking/waiting for a monumental hook-up in the near term. I guess AA/BA ATI would be something similar although one hopes for something a little bit more on top of that
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Actually, it's a little more asymetric. The reason.. I don't know for sure, but these are the rules.
Quote: British Airways' transatlantic flights to/from the U.S. are not valid for AAdvantage mileage accrual or redemption.
Quote: British Airways Executive Club members will not earn or redeem miles or earn Tier Points on American Airlines transatlantic flights. BA Miles and Tier Points may be earned though miles may not be redeemed on all British Airways codeshare services operated by American Airlines when the booking is made under the BA code.
So AAdvantage members CAN earn on BA transatlantic flights to Canada, Mexico, Brazil.... just not from/to the US. So only UK-US flights are restricted.
But on the other hand Executive Club members can't earn on all US-Europe flights on AA, be it MAD-MIA or FRA-ORD which is not BA's market.
Now with openskies (both of them ) these restictions are getting more equal as AAdvantage members won't get miles on openskies from Europe to the US as BA's openskies won't be part of the alliance.
Once BA and AA are allowed to talk about tatl flights like NW-KLM, LH-UA or AF-DL this might change, but for the time being....
AA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3370 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5112 times:
Quoting Aisak (Reply 3): Oneworld alliance customers (read being a FF member) other than BA's executive club and AAdvantage members are not affected at all.
When you consider that AA and BA are the largest, that is a pretty large % of OW clients that ARE affected. I hope this injustice is sorted out soon. if BA and AA make it hard to compete out of London the same nonsense can be said about AF, DL, KL and NW out of Paris and Amsterdam. Bring on the competition.
StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4895 times:
Considering from March 2008 if you fly BA with an AA frequent Flyer card zip nada qualifies you to gold status in one world regardless what BA flight you take anywhere...
"Effective March 1, 2008, British Airways flights no longer earn elite status bonus miles. American Airlines codeshare flights (with an "AA" flight number) operated by British Airways will continue to earn elite-status bonus miles. "
I would consider BA's relationship with AA is getting worse not better.
Considering the relationship between AA and BA is one step short of non-existent I never fly one world at all.
Why bother when I get a £270 / $540 for a return 500mile LHR-EDI C class ticket and get awared 2 airmiles for the flight in my AA account, and no status.. when I can fly Star Alliance / BMI with United and be showered in miles for the same fare.
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