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ThomsonFy/First Choice Merger, Questions  
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3375 times:

I have just come back from a weeks holiday. what a cock up the flights were. I, as you all know, love my charter airlines but TOM takes the award for the crappest charter flight I have had since Peach Air took to the skies.

For starters, the Uk check in at Manchester was a farce. All FCA and TOM flights to several destinations checking in at four desks at MAN. As a result, queues were the longest Iv seen for a long time and as derparture time approached, the staff began panicking as several in the 'mixed' queues were not going to get checked in on time. They had to open desks then for specific destinations.

Despite getting to airport 3 hours before departure, after check in I had time for one 'jimmy riddle' before boarding.

The TOM outward flight was average, but with only one drtink service on a four hour flight, I was suffering with dehydration upon my arrival.

The return, well the flight in FUE was announced as Britannia flight, haha and also the boarding passes were issued under the BY designator, it seems Im not the only one who wont let Britannia die!!!

Will FCA become TOM or will TOM become FCA?? Im very confused as are BY/TOM passengers.

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User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3367 times:

AFAIK no decision has been made on the new brand and the airlines will stay as seperate entities until the 787 arrives, and only then will they make a decision whether to keep the names seperate or relaunch as 1 airline. This is what I've heard so correct me if I'm wrong, just don't have a go!

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3341 times:

Of course not, thanks for the information. I hope FCA doesnt dissapear. They seemt o have a superior product to TOM, both long and short haul.

TOM is a shadow of what BY was. I was waiting in line for the loo and all the galley carts had the BY logo and name on and I could have wept. The best joy was having our flight announced as Britannia flight 6094 to manchester!!! haha, long live Britannia. Tui cannot scrap my memories!!


User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3328 times:

Thomson and First Choice are codesharing on eachothers flights, so some Thomson holidays are operated by FCA or a mix as well as First Choice using TOM flights creating more flexibility for customers.

The two airlines are to merge under one Air Operating Certificate (AOC) and are merging, FCA will not merge into Thomsonfly however as Thomsonfly will soon change it's name to TUIfly.

TUIflyer



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3320 times:

Another name change!!! so we Brits loose both Britannia and now Thomson brands!! What next. will they stop serving English breakfasts on their flights!!!

User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3312 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):

I'm praying that the Thomson brand will remain, as much as I admire TUI no one in the UK knows what it means and when I say it they often think I have some kind of speech problem.

TUIflyer



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User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3307 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
Another name change!!!

I know its been joked about, but I am seriously starting to wonder if someone high up in TUI has shares in an aircraft paint shop.

They surely win the award for the most livery and name change resprays in the last 5 years (over both the UK and German arms!)


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

I am still confused about the seating on the 767's. How can they operate as one if FCA have 2-3-2 and BY (tom) have 2-4.2. They need to have a standard long range config and I bet it will end up being 2-4-2 to the detriment of the travellers. Also FCA operated some aircraft on short haul with a "Premier" section. again even for a 4 hour flight some customers would be willing to pay a small premium for more space and cabin comforts. what a pity that seems to have gone or nearly so.Talking of Tuifly that will really be a ""German" name and not help in sales!

User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3257 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
For starters, the Uk check in at Manchester was a farce. All FCA and TOM flights to several destinations checking in at four desks at MAN. As a result, queues were the longest Iv seen for a long time and as derparture time approached, the staff began panicking as several in the 'mixed' queues were not going to get checked in on time. They had to open desks then for specific destinations.

Despite getting to airport 3 hours before departure, after check in I had time for one 'jimmy riddle' before boarding.

I found it worked well for U2 @ STN on Christmas eve when I flew to my parents. Perhaps they should have a couple of extra desks.

Could you have checked in earlier because I managed an hour before before I should have.

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
The TOM outward flight was average, but with only one drtink service on a four hour flight, I was suffering with dehydration upon my arrival.

Were you offered an earlier drink that would have to pay for or was this with the meal? perhaps you could have bought something after your security checks?

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Will FCA become TOM or will TOM become FCA?? Im very confused as are BY/TOM passengers

Sad fact for people such as your self there isn't room in market for the carriers as the tour operators are finding life difficult .


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

I resent the constant name changes. First we got Britannia but with Tui logo and colours, then we got Thomson.co.uk operated by Britannia then we got ThomsonFly now they are scrapping that name too!!!

User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1759 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

AFAIK the airline will be called TuiFly Air or TuiAir Travel, something along those lines. Iberia is the handling agent in Spain and all computer and paperwork is still under Britannia. A lot of regional managers for the tour operation side will be First Choice, with a smal amount of Thomson staff keeping their positions.Rebrandin won't start until next winter at the very least.

[Edited 2008-01-29 13:25:58]


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

I also agree about the 767 config. TuiFly will no doubt maintain the 2-4-2 as well as abandon FCA policy of offering premium class on some short haul. They have made so many cutbacks since Tui took over. For example, one tea and coffee instead of two with meals, charging £12 for meals etc etc.

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

So we loose ThomsonFly now, yes? Now we are TUIFly? why not TUIUK ' A poorer British Tui' or even better why not make all Tui passengers in UK speak German?

How about 'Bratwurst airlines? That would suit TUI who have been hell bent on slowly erasing the Britishness of our charter and tour operating industry.


User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 799 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Surely it won't achieve much from a marketing point of view if they keep changing their brand name? My mother is looking to book a holiday and wanted more suggestions for operators, I gave a list of operators, including xl.com and she replied "Who on earth are they? I've never heard of them!" in a reluctant tone. It just goes to show that brand recognition is important when it comes to attracting prospective customers. I can't see how re-branding every 5 minutes is going to help them achieve much.

[Edited 2008-01-29 14:19:23]

User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3119 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
They have made so many cutbacks since Tui took over. For example, one tea and coffee instead of two with meals, charging £12 for meals etc etc.

If that's on short haul then the service be done to lowest price unfortunately thats what I expect you don't want to hear.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3097 times:



Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 10):
AFAIK the airline will be called TuiFly Air or TuiAir Travel, something along those lines. Iberia is the handling agent in Spain and all computer and paperwork is still under Britannia.

That is because Britannia Airways do actually still exist!!! They have in very small writing by the doors as you board the aircraft "ThomsonFly powered by Britannia Airways"...

Even though Britannia/ThomsonFly are owned by TUI (AKA - Thomson), they are considered to be a seperate company and staff are employed by the airline and not by Thomson Holidays, etc... Which brings me nicely onto my other point... The staff of this airline (whatever there f**king called!) are threatening to strike over the uncertainly of how the airline stands and with Thomson/TUI refusing to comment to comment on if redundancies are likely. This was only in the news today!

http://jetvine.blogspot.com/2008/01/strike-threat-at-thomsonfly.html
http://www.travelmole.com/stories/11...?mpnlog=1&m_id=_r~AnY!v~A#comm_sec

So it seems, even this company doesn''t know what is going to happen with there future! The merger of both companies was too hastily put together and ill thought out, and a panic move when Thomas Cook and MyTravel merged.

My smart money will be on First Choice airlines dissapearing in th next year or two and both airlines being merged together to create TUI Fly. Then Thomson and First Choice will boast about how they have created one large airline that will only benefit the customer!

If this does happen expect a plane like this on a tarmac near you soon!  bigthumbsup 

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User currently offlineACEregular From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Orion, I loved my memories of my holidays in the 80's and 90's getting the tickets and writing out the baggage tags. Seeing the different varieties of charter operators at the airport, it was a much more exciting time. I have felt from many of your posts that you share my very sentiments and sense of the time, but you cant stop mergers, vertical integration and so on, its all going low-cost and am sorry to say , yes I work for a low cost airline. You should just accept this and not elongate a thread without adding more value to it.

User currently offlineBabyblueBHX From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 15):
They have in very small writing by the doors as you board the aircraft "ThomsonFly powered by Britannia Airways"...

Unfortunately the "Operated by Britannia Airways" Disappeared off the aircraft a while ago now and it just says "World of TUI" by the door. As a child most of my flying was with BY with their "Royal" then "360" service how times have changes even had hot towels at one point as well! They may not have the good old Britannia on the aircraft tails any more but Britannia does still cling on with the aircraft Reg's G-BY-- and G-OBY-.

babyblueBHX

[Edited 2008-01-29 15:26:41]


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