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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

As many of you know AMR's future sale of American Eagle could affect passenger traffic at the airport. RDU's largest carrier would face a reduced number of flights if sold. Seventeen flights might be cut because the contract between AMR and American's pilots allows only AMR subsidiaries to operate flights between airports that aren't hubs. Popular American Eagle flights from RDU to Boston, JFK, LaGuardia Airport, St. Louis and Washington National Airport most likely would not be affected. Reductions likely would occur on routes connecting Raleigh-Durham and smaller cities, particularly Hartford, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Bentonville, Columbus, and Louisville. Service to Newark also could be impacted. However, many of these routes are served by other carriers serving RDU.


What do you guys think?
Is AE really gonna slash RDU?
Who will pick up the slack?
Will this affect future growth at RDU?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Service to JAX, SDF, and MCI are likely to be cut regardless. I'm surprised SDF is still operating. I was pretty confident it would be discontinued ASAP when XJET pulled out.

With the May 1 or June 9 schedule change, I think JAX and SDF are going to be gone.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3964 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Thread starter):
What do you guys think?
Is AE really gonna slash RDU?
Who will pick up the slack?
Will this affect future growth at RDU?

Only time will tell, but so far the RDU employees seem non-chalant.. in fact, I was speaking to a friend who works for MQ and they stated that they were getting ready to move, busting at the seems on most flights, and ready for a computer upgrade to Shares+ (or was it Sabre+).. anyway, I asked if they could use that with CUTE that RDU will be using since AA/MQ seems to be the only airline using that system.. no answer.. anyway, he also stated that their may be a new mainline flight but he wasn't sure..

I don't know how important RDU is to AA and I don't the affect of growth, but with most airlines decreasing domesticate.. I don't know if there will be a big jump to fill some smaller routes.. only time will tell..



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

yeah JAX, SDF, and MCI is probably gonna go


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User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3673 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Thread starter):
What do you guys think?
Is AE really gonna slash RDU?
Who will pick up the slack?
Will this affect future growth at RDU?

I'll bet Delta will make RDU another mini-hub like CMH.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3670 times:



Quoting RampGuy (Reply 4):
I'll bet Delta will make RDU another mini-hub like CMH.

I just wish they would bring a couple of E70 flights to RDU.. perhaps when they move in a few months it might be possible...



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4577 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3621 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Service to JAX, SDF, and MCI are likely to be cut regardless. I'm surprised SDF is still operating. I was pretty confident it would be discontinued ASAP when XJET pulled out.

With the May 1 or June 9 schedule change, I think JAX and SDF are going to be gone.

I don't think JAX and MCI go, unless fuel gets really bad. There is an amazing amount of traffic between RDU and those two cities. However business is business and these flights are more heavily affected by fuel prices. However they are strong business destinations for RDU.

It amazed me when AA whent after all three markets in the first place, as they were not a significant part of their previous route structure. I think AA is in it until XJet is completely gone. And then they might stay in MCI and JAX to keep Southwest out of the route.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4577 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Well there goes XJET from BHM and JAX.

Will be interesting to see what AA/MQ do,



News&Observer XJET Cuts flights at RDU



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3513 times:



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 6):

I don't think JAX and MCI go, unless fuel gets really bad. There is an amazing amount of traffic between RDU and those two cities.

It's not a great measure, but AA has routinely been routing cheap connections onto the JAX flights from both Chicago and St. Louis, which bodes poorly for the yields.

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Thread starter):
Reductions likely would occur on routes connecting Raleigh-Durham and smaller cities, particularly Hartford, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Bentonville, Columbus, and Louisville. Service to Newark also could be impacted. However, many of these routes are served by other carriers serving RDU.

Keep in mind that no one (including AA) has said that a subsidiary regional carrier would not remain even if they sold some portions of Eagle.



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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

I and alot of folks wish that AA eagle would fill the intra-carolina void that was left when corpex left.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3415 times:



Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 9):
I and alot of folks wish that AA eagle would fill the intra-carolina void that was left when corpex left.

ZV has sort of tried... they did some point to point flying out of RDU up until fairly recently.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3396 times:



Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 9):
I and alot of folks wish that AA eagle would fill the intra-carolina void that was left when corpex left.

Whichever airline did this would need to be using that feed to another larger airline. There are not a lot of choices out there. Perhaps if the state of NC went to someone like Cape Air or Pacific Wings and requested it.. it may work.. but I cant' see an independent airline just starting it alone.. and most large airlines don't have the fleet to do it right now..



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

There is Intra-Carolina out of CLT

So there's basically zero chance of AA mainline expanding out of RDU?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3251 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 12):
So there's basically zero chance of AA mainline expanding out of RDU?

For the forseeable future, yes.



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User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

I don't think AA would stop service on the RDU-BDL route. This route is strong. Midway use to fly multiple non stops between the two cities and BDL was one of the first cities to have 73G service on Midway. There has to be strong business ties between the Hartford and Raleigh.

User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3040 times:



Quoting Afitch7881 (Reply 14):
I don't think AA would stop service on the RDU-BDL route. This route is strong. Midway use to fly multiple non stops between the two cities and BDL was one of the first cities to have 73G service on Midway. There has to be strong business ties between the Hartford and Raleigh.

Midway flew an array of aircraft into BDL, but keep in mind that Midway didn't resume service when they tried to come back as a 737 carrier after 9/11. SDF was the most profitable city in the JI schedule for several months, so I can only assume it must have been made on connections via RDU - and JAX always had packed flights from the military.

On another note, the only way an intra-carolina route system would work into RDU would be to get multiple agreements going with several carriers at RDU. I guess the term for this would be a codeshare whore. Aside from that - is there even really any commuter space anymore from which to run an operation like Corp. Ex. had at RDU?


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

There actually isn't really that much space...


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2892 times:



Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 15):
Aside from that - is there even really any commuter space anymore from which to run an operation like Corp. Ex. had at RDU?

Actually, there will be space available now, there will be space available once Phase I opens.. and there will be space availabe when Phase II is available..

Now: A16, the old American Eagle 4 stand gate..
Next: Terminal C when Delta moves
Then: Terminal C open 14 gates..



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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

As an American Eagle FO, I can tell you that Eagle is planning on making RDU an Embraer pilot domicile.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2846 times:



Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 18):
As an American Eagle FO, I can tell you that Eagle is planning on making RDU an Embraer pilot domicile.

Right now, RDU is a American Airlines F/A domicile (for the LHR flight) and an Eagle F/A domicile, right?

That would be cool if they added the pilot domicile.. but I hope that means they will finally add the maintenance hangar..



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Is there any possibility of American restarting SJU, starting LAX, or American Eagle restarting PVD?

Also, is there any word on what American's AAdmiral's Club in RDU will be like once they reopen in the new terminal?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

If American had a thing for Saturday only flights they would fly RDUSJU once a week. However they don't like running flights on reduced frequencies and the market can't support five weekly. Delta showed us how a great a market LAX is and I think there is a better shot of them returning than AA entering. Maybe if AA had capacity to put on more transcons they would consider it.


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User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2492 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
Is there any possibility of American restarting SJU, starting LAX, or American Eagle restarting PVD?

I beleive there was more than enough traffic a few years back when the PVD service was last in place. Reportedly they did not want to compete with the low priced tariff that WN had in place between the two cities. There was a time when 3 MD-80s per day were assigned in the days of the actual AA hub.


User currently offlineSFOQQAA From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 96 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2479 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
Also, is there any word on what American's AAdmiral's Club in RDU will be like once they reopen in the new terminal?

Plans are moving along and the new club is going to be very nice. Saw some rough plans when I visited their a few months back and it looked like they finally would be back in a nice facility with showers, expanded bar, work areas etc. Was at a meeting this past week with other Admirals Club managers and RDU was certainly talked about for 2008 new club opennings. I know it's been a while for the loyal members in RDU, but I don't think you'll be disappointed when the new facility opens. Cheers!  Smile


User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 488 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2300 times:
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Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 15):
I don't think AA would stop service on the RDU-BDL route. This route is strong. Midway use to fly multiple non stops between the two cities and BDL was one of the first cities to have 73G service on Midway. There has to be strong business ties between the Hartford and Raleigh.

Midway flew an array of aircraft into BDL, but keep in mind that Midway didn't resume service when they tried to come back as a 737 carrier after 9/11

RDU-BDL was always a strong routing for JI. Initially they ran a 320 - BDL-RDU-MCO-RDU-BDL and a F100 into FLL for quite a while.

In my conversations with Robert Ferguson, while JI was still enjoying great times at RDU, he often spoke of what SAS's future expansion plans were from RDU. Whatever one thinks of the Midway failures, they offered a fantastic and friendly product based out of RDU. Among the amenities were all-leather seating, Green Mountain coffee, and AA's advantage miles for many years.



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