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This 757 (?) Must Be Landing EWR Rwy 29?  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2227651288&size=l

That is a 757? And with all that flap it's got to be landing? And looks like 1500 ft altitude or less.

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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

I suppose it could be a base turn for the 22's but I would guess your right on the landing but not 29 probably 11 cause of the direction that they are flying. I would also say that it could be a 737-500/300. The wing is slightly missleading I could see it either way. That is my two cents.


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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6291 times:



Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 1):
not 29 probably 11

I suspect they're circling to 29-- they're NE of the airport, heading SE.


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3307 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6291 times:

They're currently pointed toward the southeast, and it looks like they're in a right-hand turn, so it appears they're lining up for a final on one of the 22's headed southward (roughly paralleling the river).


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4759 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

The aircraft isn't a 757.

Looks like a 767 to me!



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6265 times:



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
it appears they're lining up for a final on one of the 22's

They're east of the approach course for the 22s.


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6839 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6238 times:



The black spot, top left, is the lake (?) in the line of sight to the Empire state building. The google track is about 6.2 miles to 29 @ EWR.



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User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

Approaching the 22s at EWR, not a 757.

User currently offlineWirelock From Spain, joined Sep 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6203 times:



Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 1):
I would also say that it could be a 737-500/300. The wing is slightly missleading I could see it either way.

for me its a 767. the aileron on a 737 is tabbed and also 737 doesnt have a fuel dump


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6171 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 6):
The black spot, top left, is the lake (?) in the line of sight to the Empire state building.

Pretty good for someone from the UK. And not a bad map, except the plane was headed more southeasterly when the guy took the pic.

(On second thought, maybe not. Your heading might be good too.)

[Edited 2008-01-29 17:51:54]

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6839 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6125 times:



Quoting Timz (Reply 9):
Pretty good for someone from the UK. And not a bad map, except the plane was headed more southeasterly when the guy took the pic.

(On second thought, maybe not. Your heading might be good too.)

Pretty good for 2am, over here.

Also CO B767s have the fuel dump


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21794 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6061 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
The aircraft isn't a 757.

Looks like a 767 to me!

Yup, a 767.

-Mir



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User currently offlineReady5bird From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5884 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 6):

Nice map...gave me the initiative to check it out too as I'm around the Hoboken / Jersey City area on a regular basis and rarely see an EWR bound flight directly overhead as shown on your map.

For a 22's approach flights typically line up on final just northeast of Paterson and fly over Rutherford, Lyndhurst, and Harrison just before crossing the Passaic River just east of downtown Newark and landing at EWR. From the picture and the others posted on FlickR http://www.flickr.com/photos/dscott28604/page11/ it appears they made a shorter than usual final which I have seen on occasion as shown on this larger map of the area

http://69.41.167.139/approach.jpg

Red line is the assumed path of approach. Blue dashed line is the line that would extend from the Empire state bldg crossing the reservoir and paralleling the road (as shown in yellow high lite on the map) that is the elevated portion of US1&9 just before it goes into the covered roadway (139) and the intersection of the lines is where I would think the picture was taken.

Also as it is a 767 I highly doubt it would be making an approach to 29. So IMO it is a 22's approach with a shorter than normal final.



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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

767 can absolutely do an approach to 29. It's non-precision, has a slightly counterintuitive configuration, and a hell of a ride, but I've done it rather successfully a number of times with the airplane.

I've seen 747s land on 29 during days with nasty crosswinds virtually putting the 4/22 pair out of service, though I've never had a front row seat on that action. Imagine it would be quite a sight driving down the Turnpike and seeing a huge hunk of metal hanging just yards over the traffic...

[Edited 2008-01-29 20:46:55]

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6839 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Still not convinced about rw22.

Looking at this picture



The rectangular white domed building in the foreground bottom right can be seen here



which is in the white marked area top left here



Given the direction of the aircraft relative to the white building and how close it is in the photo, I don't think it's on a 22 approach - the centreline is around 3 miles from the white building and you'd never see it that clearly from 3 miles away.. the buildings on Manhattan are around 4-5 miles away from the white building and the perspective would be like it is for those buildings.



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User currently offlinePianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

It's definitely without a doubt landing on 29. Take a look at the radar from the day the picture was taken (1/9/08 ~1:30pm). It's either COA45 or AZA606 coming from Milan (based on what the guy who posted those photos said). Either way, all flights during that time period were coming south along the Turnpike, then turning southeast at TEB, then around to land on 29.

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5158 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 14):
I don't think it's on a 22 approach

When the guy took the pic I originally posted, his flight was about 4.6 nm from the 22R threshold-- and 2.6 nm east of the approach course. Those could be off by 0.1 nm or so, but not much more than that. Camera is pointed around 55 degrees true, so that makes the aircraft's heading ... maybe 135 degrees true? Which is about 70 degrees left of the heading to line up with runway 22.

(I calculate they're at about 40.7359 N, 74.0741 W.)


User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 338 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5067 times:



Quoting Ready5bird (Reply 12):
Also as it is a 767 I highly doubt it would be making an approach to 29. So IMO it is a 22's approach with a shorter than normal final.

Why not? I have had the pleasure of landing on 29 on a 777 more than once. Happens on days with strong crosswind. The landings are usually quite interesting .... specially the quick deceleration after the landing .... a "standing in your seat" experience.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3005 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4955 times:



Quoting 777gk (Reply 13):
767 can absolutely do an approach to 29. It's non-precision, has a slightly counterintuitive configuration, and a hell of a ride, but I've done it rather successfully a number of times with the airplane.

I've seen 747s land on 29 during days with nasty crosswinds virtually putting the 4/22 pair out of service, though I've never had a front row seat on that action. Imagine it would be quite a sight driving down the Turnpike and seeing a huge hunk of metal hanging just yards over the traffic...



Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 17):
Why not? I have had the pleasure of landing on 29 on a 777 more than once. Happens on days with strong crosswind.

Just to add to these comments, when I worked in lower Manhattan and had a good view to the south, I sometimes saw 747s and other widebodies landing on 29. It was cool to see them making a sharp turn over the Statue of Liberty.

Once I even took off from rwy 11 on a KLM 767 bound for AMS. I was a bit surprised at the time, but it obviously wasn't a problem!



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

I've seen LH/SQ A340s and CO 777s landing on 29, makes for an amazing view from the Turnpike. I've also seen CO 767-400s land on 11, not as impressive as 29 though.

In 1988 I was on a Eastern airlines 727 from Orlando that landed on 29 at EWR shortly after a severe afternoon thunderstorm rolled through, that is they only time in my life I ever vomited during a flight. That was one rough flight and landing.



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User currently offlineReady5bird From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

 footinmouth  I stand corrected, after observing what was happening on the approaches today (Jan 30) around 1130 or so local I have to agree that this is a 29 approach.


Quoting Pianos101 (Reply 15):
all flights during that time period were coming south along the Turnpike, then turning southeast at TEB, then around to land on 29.

Same deal today and while I was stopped at a light about 2 miles west of the normal 22 approach path and saw a FedEx heavy FDX3003 heading south and make a nice steep left hand bank to a ESE heading after which I pulled over to watch it and saw that it made a steep right hand bank shortly thereafter for what looked like a short final to 29...as previously said looked like

Quoting 777gk (Reply 13):
a hell of a ride

Nice...!  wideeyed 

I had a similar experience on an AA Mad Dog many years ago but never realized that heavy metal would make the 29 approach. Great ride from what I remember and a nice view of the ground just coming up on that final right bank before lining up and giving some jet wash to the trucks on the turnpike.  duck 



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User currently offline48V From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

If you go to the picture page, it says the photo was taken on January 9th. On the 9th, KEWR had winds screaming out of the west - 270 degrees at up to 39mph, gusts to 48mph

http://www.wunderground.com/history/...y=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

I'd have no problem believing 29 was seeing a lot of action that day.

(and, as an aside, I'm really impressed by the amount of detective work going into this post!)


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

I flubbed the calculation of their position-- they're actually at about 40.7354 N, 74.0924 W, where the Pulaski Skyway crosses the east bank of the Hackensack River. They're 3.9 nm from the 22L threshold, 1.85 nm east of the centerline, and the camera is pointed around 75 deg true. (The Empire State Bldg is 81 degrees true.)

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