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DL To Start JFK-GEO  
User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1277 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10143 times:

Delta applied with the DOT to start 4 times weekly New York-JFK to Georgetown, Guyana from June 16. Flights will operate with 757s.

It's on the regulations.gov site, I just cannot link to it.

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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10131 times:

It's about time someone picked up on this route. Good job DL for recognizing a major NYC market. I'm surprised AA never started this route before from JFK or MIA.

User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10116 times:
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Competing with BW and NA on a lucrative route..........I wonder if DL will offer meals on these flights?....


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User currently offlineTurk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10070 times:

This is INCREDIBLE news! An untapped market finally recognized by a "foreign" carrier... I imagine that DL will do very well and the Guyanese people will support DL. But, I predict some protest from BW...

User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10044 times:

It seems DL is trying to kill NA's regularly scheduled operations...

User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1277 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10030 times:



Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 1):
I'm surprised AA never started this route before from JFK or MIA.

When I was at AA, they had looked at doing it as a tag from POS or BGI and/or using Eagle for the tag. They never went ahead with it, which surprised me given the strong market from NYC and AA's presence in the market.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9922 times:



Quoting Turk223 (Reply 3):
I imagine that DL will do very well and the Guyanese people will support DL

They certainly will !!!
 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup  Welcome to Guyana DL !!! About time .... now I can fly DUB-JFK-GEO to see my relatives ..... Great news indeed.


User currently offlineRookinla From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 307 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9878 times:



Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 4):
It seems DL is trying to kill NA's regularly scheduled operations...

It seems DL is trying to find profitable routes...just like every other carrier. DL is looking for high-yield destinations and GEO fits the bill. NA is really a minor player in the grand scheme of things and I'm pretty sure that they have been expecting the majors to compete with them at some point. Their routes are generally to higher-yield destinations and now they will be forced to compete. Can they? Only time will tell. Good for DL...I've wondered why GEO hasn't come on line yet.


User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9782 times:



Quoting LatinAviation (Thread starter):
Delta applied with the DOT to start 4 times weekly New York-JFK to Georgetown, Guyana from June 16. Flights will operate with 757s.

It's on the regulations.gov site, I just cannot link to it.

It would be too soon to know, but would this flight be a turn around for the crew or will there be a layover?!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9678 times:



Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 8):
but would this flight be a turn around for the crew or will there be a layover?!

Around 5 hours 45mins each way from what I remember.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9462 times:



Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 1):
I'm surprised AA never started this route before from JFK or MIA.

AA applied for MIA-GEO in 2000 and was rejected, and they haven't tried since.



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User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

So what are all the international airlines serving Cheddi Jagan Airport?

All I currently know of in addition to the 4x weekly by DL from JFK starting in June is:

JFK North American
JFK Ryan International (For TravelSpan)
OGF Blue Wing
PBM META
BVB META
BEL META
BGI LIAT
POS LIAT
POS Caribbean Airlines
YYZ Zoom Airlines


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

Yeah I think thats about it. GEO has never been good on air links. It was annexed to the Caribbean politically and socially. BWIA was by most considered the national carrier . GY didn't last unfortunately . It was not a bad airline ,. I flew it JFK-GEO on a B757.

I would love to see a BA 777 service to GEO from LGW or LHR . Im surprised AC didnt run a 767 down a few times a week. Theres a huge population in YYZ.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9175 times:



Quoting Rookinla (Reply 7):
It seems DL is trying to find profitable routes...just like every other carrier.

I know Delta isn't targetting North American. But you have to admit that services from JFK to ACC, LOS, and GEO, are a pretty big coincidence, considering GEO is so small.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

If this is true that great news for the Guyanese community in the New York/Tri state area. Now all DL needs is PAP, GND, KIN, BGI and SXM flts out of JFK.


Belize my home sweet home...
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9051 times:



Quoting Belizexp (Reply 14):
Now all DL needs is PAP, GND, KIN, BGI and SXM flts out of JFK.

All of which are on DL's radar and will likely be included as some of the new 73Gs come onto the property late this Summer.

Jeremy


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8842 times:

here is the application:

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...n=DocketDetail&d=DOT-OST-2008-0045


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 4405 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8795 times:

I give the route less than a year if it even launches.


Live life to the fullest.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8723 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 17):
I give the route less than a year if it even launches.

I think it will do well. Guyana needs a good airline which is part of a global alliance with onward connections and thru checking to all of the USA and Canada and Europe. I for one would deffo use them over BW Via POS . A 757 is not too much to fill from GEO .


User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8711 times:



Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 4):
It seems DL is trying to kill NA's regularly scheduled operations...

Thats how DL operates.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 4405 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8672 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
Guyana needs a good airline which is part of a global alliance

To get that, it needs a steady flow of business or higher-end leisure traffic. Guyana offers neither.



Live life to the fullest.
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8632 times:

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 4):
It seems DL is trying to kill NA's regularly scheduled operations...

Yeah, how dare Delta enter a market they think they can make money in. Bad Delta, bad Delta .

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 14):
Now all DL needs is PAP, GND, KIN, BGI and SXM flts out of JFK.

Would be nice additions but not exactly necessary (save for SXM of course ). Most of those routes likely wouldn't amount to more than 1-3x weekly services.

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 19):
Thats how DL operates.

Care to go further with that thought, or is it just opinion based on a negative experience with Delta?

[Edited 2008-01-30 15:02:40]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8610 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 20):
To get that, it needs a steady flow of business or higher-end leisure traffic. Guyana offers neither.

Well maybe if the service is in place it will attract more people. Catch 22 !!! Things are changing rapidly in Guyana and they are promoting Eco tourism which is a fast growing industry. Time will tell but I think it will do well. Guyanese ex pats and businessmen will fill a 757 from the wider DL network so a 757 will be no problem. JFK/YYZ and to a lesser extent LAX/SFO all have sizeable Guyanese communities incl my own relatives. This is the first time a decent airline like DL has served GEO . On my trips I have flown GY/BW/BA Via ANU with LI connection and its all a pain. DL will make it alot easier.


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8472 times:



Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 1):
I'm surprised AA never started this route before from JFK or MIA.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
AA applied for MIA-GEO in 2000 and was rejected, and they haven't tried since.

If Delta does get the right to fly to Guyana, American is gonna look real foolish, IMO they'd have dropped the ball, again, in a market that they should be doing well in.

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 17):
I give the route less than a year if it even launches.

I think this might be a good route in the long run, there is a tremendous amount of VFR traffic between New York and Guyana.

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 19):
Thats how DL operates.

That's how any profit driven business operates.

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 20):
To get that, it needs a steady flow of business or higher-end leisure traffic. Guyana offers neither.

If you mean service from an alliance carrier, no. VFR traffic carries significant yield, look at Haiti or flights to Kingston. Almost all VFR traffic driving these flights. Guyana will generate exactly that kind of traffic.


User currently offlineEYFlyer88 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8446 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 17):
I give the route less than a year if it even launches.

It might do well.. we wont know until we actually see this in action (if we actually see this in action).



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25 MAH4546 : Depends what you mean. If you mean AA is going to look foolish because they didn't get authority and DL does, that would not be correct. That was in
26 Bw415 : I think a 757 is overkill on this route.. there is noway a 4x weekly 757 service will work on this route.. GEO has a far smaller population than POS.
27 Fly2YYZ : Well what about cargo loads?! Zoom Airlines does particularly well filling up a 767 on a weekly basis -- that caters well to VFR traffic. I would'nt
28 Caribbean484 : Not true. There is not much market from GEO-MIA to validate AA travelling there. There is not much market for all these airlines in the GEO market as
29 MAH4546 : Yes there is. AA would make a killing on 4x weekly 738 MIA-GEO, just on cargo and the high airfares to the area. The break-even could probably be in
30 Caribbean484 : I have been living in this caribbean aviation market for a long time now, I i know for sure AA will not survive GEO with high fares to and from MIA.
31 MAH4546 : AA would easily undercut the competition (as will DL). Fares are already high to the market. Even if AA undercuts, they can still profit. And let's n
32 AA1818 : I just don't see DL lasting very long. GEO is a very diff market to POS, KIN and PAP. For starters it is a tiny market, it is a very poor country and
33 Jayspilot : As bad as it sounds, I feel it is about time that the major airlines looked at the routes these smaller carriers have been operating for years under t
34 WorldTraveler : According to US DOT data, the Guyana market is about 10% of the size of Venezuela with comparable fares. Given the amount of service in CCS alone by A
35 OA260 : Whatever happens I hope the Guyanese and others support that route. As long as the fares are competitive and some good marketing inside and outside Gu
36 AA1818 : While I do not wish DL to fail, I don't think the market is big enough for Caribbean Airlines to get the market share it is used to if DL enters. For
37 Evan767 : Which is why American is currently flying to Africa, right? Does anyone have a link to the application? I also think the 757 is overkill, the populat
38 Airfrancejfk : Some things to consider. Guyana has a population of 750,000 (not 350,000). Its estimated that there are currently over 1 million Guyanese living overs
39 OA260 : You are 100% correct . Again very true. My Dad has never been back and has no desire to but thats because its not the country he grew up in. Guyana u
40 MAH4546 : Unlike flying to Africa, flying to a market like Georgetown requires nothing more than a narrowbody aircraft.
41 Post contains images Airfrancejfk : Funny enough, there were quite a few when I worked there. We sometimes joked it would be funny if AF started JFK-GEO, we woudln't need to hire any ne
42 Nycfly75 : NA's 757s always go out full to GEO and the flights are always full with cargo as well. In fact, Im sure the cargo offsets any lost yields with the VF
43 Anetter123 : DL is going to make a killer profits on this route. I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future an extra segment is added but to ATL.
44 Letsgetwet : Didn't CO fly this route from IAH before 9-11?
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