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Dueling Trijets: Carriers Using DC-10 & L-1011  
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Hi Folks...
Going thru some of my old notes here, when I found a list I had compiled of carriers using
both the DC-10 & the L-1011 at one time or another, but not necessarily at the same time.
Since the average Joe on the street would never tell them apart, us Anetters certainly would.
Both aircraft are very similar in appearance, seating, and performance, depending on variant.
Here's the 12 carriers I knew of operating both types at any length of time.

AeroPeru
ATA
Arrow Air
British Airways
Caledonian Air
Delta Air Lines
Eastern Airlines
Hawaiian Air
Iberia
LAM
Pan American
United Airlines

If you folks can think of any other carriers that flew both aircraft, please let me know.
BTW, I purposely left out the MD-11, simply because that bird does not compete with
the Tristar like the DC-10 did.
All replies appreciated & welcome. Regards.


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

You can add Air Afrique to the list. They have leased four L-1011s.

N185AT for a full year Oct. '89 - Oct. '90 & N186AT Nov. '89 - Jan. '90.


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And these two for very short periods. I've seen the ex. GF aircraft then at ZRH.


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User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Did Alia (Royal Jordanian Airlines) not also have the DC-10 for a short time, as well as its TriStars?


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

I think PanAm also flew both the DC-10 and the L1011.

Jan


User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

AA, NW, and SY also operated the DC-10. And I believe TW operated the L-1011.


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2990 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 4):
AA, NW, and SY also operated the DC-10. And I believe TW operated the L-1011.

Yet none of those has ever operated both trijets. Either one or the other. Not what he was looking for.

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Thread starter):
If you folks can think of any other carriers that flew both aircraft, please let me know.



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
I think PanAm also flew both the DC-10 and the L1011.

Already mentioned.

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Thread starter):
Pan American

G'day.


User currently offlineSWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 2875 times:

Actually DL operated both aircraft at the same time twice in its history. The first came when Lockheed and Rolls Royce were experiencing financial difficulties, and as a hedge against the L-1011 being cancelled, DL ordered DC-10s. It sold these to UA and then leased them back to operate while the L-1011s were being delivered. The second period came when DL merged with WA and the DC-10s operated routes out of LAX.

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3229 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Pan Am and BA both had interesting histories in this regard. Pan Am was a major TriStar customer and then acquired its DC-10s after the 1980 merger with National. Mnay have observed that this duopoly of mid-range trijets cost the airline dearly and was one of the major reasons behind its gradual decline in the 1980s. The arrival of A300s and A310s put paid to the trijets.

As for BA, it too had its TriStars from new while it got its DC-10s after the British Caledonian merger. Both fleets operated together for a few years but unlike Pan Am the TriStars went first as 767s arrived in the fleet. The DC-10s were around until about 1999 when the rising fleet of 777-200s usurped them. Some of the DC-10s went to charter arm Caledonian, which was later taken over by JMC.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2598 times:



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 7):
Pan Am was a major TriStar customer

It's debatable whether Pan Am was a "major" L1011 customer. They only operated 12.


User currently offlineRockinflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2582 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
It's debatable whether Pan Am was a "major" L1011 customer. They only operated 12.

And PA used them heavily! They didn't sit on the ground very long when they had them. Got alot of mileage (pardon the pun) out of those birds.



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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

You can add Garuda to that list as well, although it was a wet lease during the Hajj period, the
aircraft came from Air America and did operate some routes within the GA system, like to SYD.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2468 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
It's debatable whether Pan Am was a "major" L1011 customer. They only operated 12.

That is 24% of the L-1011-500's produced, so I would consider them a "major" customer!


User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

I think you could add AC

They were big Tristar users and IIRC they inherited some DC10s when they took over CP air?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2419 times:



Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 12):
I think you could add AC

They were big Tristar users and IIRC they inherited some DC10s when they took over CP air?

I disagree. AC had retired their last L1011s about 5 years before the merger with CP (which was Canadian Airlines then, not CP Air). And Canadian's DC-10s were retired before the merger so they were never operated by AC.


User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
And Canadian's DC-10s were retired before the merger so they were never operated by AC.

I wasn't sure about that-


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

AF is another.


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Quoting Trintocan (Reply 7):
Pan Am was a major TriStar customer and then acquired its DC-10s after the 1980 merger with National. Mnay have observed that this duopoly of mid-range trijets cost the airline dearly and was one of the major reasons behind its gradual decline in the 1980s.

I don't think that was the case at all. More like the decision to replace these fleets with older, less efficient and more costly 741's. Which were deployed on routes they weren't suited for and often only half full.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
It's debatable whether Pan Am was a "major" L1011 customer. They only operated 12.

Not to mention they operated them for only a handful of years.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
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