Jlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 604 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9163 times:
AA Flight from San Juan to PHL lands at Palm Beach Intl. with Smoke in the cockpit. Co-piolit brakes window to keep cabin from filling with smoke. Six injured. Link below.
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9079 times:
Quoting Jasondn (Reply 2): What aircraft was this? I was on a few of those MD80's over the last few days! I hope it wasn't one of them!
That would be quite the coincedence to get one of the over 300+ MD80's AA has in their fleet
Glad all is ok!
Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3410 posts, RR: 50 Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8848 times:
Acft 624, a B752. R1 window (right front windshield IIRC) was broken. Both pilots going to hospital suggests an electrical short (fumes from insulation)... possibly from window heat circuit(s)?
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Doug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3163 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8520 times:
Article now says window broke on its own; pilots did not do it.
UAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2131 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8410 times:
Sounds like the windshield heat controller or heating element took a dump causing the window to overheat and shatter.
Jlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7943 times:
Quoting Miamiair (Reply 6): Quoting Jlbmedia (Thread starter):
Co-piolit brakes window to keep cabin from filling with smoke
He opened it, if anything. Those windows are extremely hard to break. They are panes of laminated glass.
The link I posted had the co-pilot breaking the window in it. The article has since been updated with more info and no longer suggests the co-pilot broke the window, just that it is now broken. Sorry if that was incorrect. John.
SJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7719 times:
The plane is still inop at PBI and another plane was brought in to ferry the pax to PHL and operated the SJU flight this morning.
QQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2198 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7225 times:
Here is the initial FAA incident report, although it does not yet add any new info to what we know so far.
Aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5005 times:
You could not break the glass of a cockpit window not matter how hard you tried. Even with an axe you'd be lucky to break it. Besides, there'd be no need to -- the side windscreens of a 757 can be opened manually.
Just raw speculation, of course, but it sounds to me like an errant window heat system that 1. cracked the glass, and 2. caused the smoke. Not an unheard of malfunction.
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Jlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4867 times:
Updated news report below. It reports that a heater in the Widescreen was the cause, breaking an inside layer of glass.
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4120 times:
Yes, the axe can easily break the window. It all depends on how fast and at what angle you hit it. Tempered laminated whatever.....it's still glass after all (an extremely viscous liquid).
I can't believe there was speculation that this might have been an MD80......shame on ya'. ;o)
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3551 times:
I guarantee you that I could go from being strapped in the pilot seat, to being on the tarmac lighting a cigar in less than one minute (holding the ax). Heck.....it's just an commercial airliner, not an armoured car.
BTW, I have seen a few photos, since being a member here, of large birdstrikes that very nearly penetrated the glass. Dude.....if a bony bag of biomass nearly makes it through......the tempered edge of that crash ax should go right through first attempt.
You cannot give the ax a Barbara Billingsly swing and expect to have it do it's job. You need to be serious about egress to make it work.
The "Crash" Ax
And finally for this round-up, most business turbine aircraft and all airliners come with a tool with the pessimistic name, "Crash" ax – a hammer-like all-in-one tool designed to cut seat belts, break out windows or shear through metal. This safety tool is arguably the oldest in aviation.
While pilots debate the effectiveness of these tools – great for prying back interior panels, not so great for cutting through metal – for the pilot who has needed one to sever an imprisoning seat belt and shoulder harness, then shatter the cockpit window, there’s seldom any controversy.
The relatively low-tech crash ax usually resides on the flight deck, though some aircraft carry more than one.
As a hedge, carrying a second in the passenger cabin and briefing passengers on its location is never a bad bet.
ARFFdude From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 138 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3400 times:
Quoting Aviateur (Reply 14): You could not break the glass of a cockpit window not matter how hard you tried.
Not really... I guess you could do it with an axe, but it's going to take a while. Your best bet is a window punch tool designed specifically for that.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 10): Sounds like the windshield heat controller or heating element took a dump causing the window to overheat and shatter
Unlikely to cause more than a crack.Def not shatter the glass.
regds
MEL
L1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3021 times:
Maybe we need to call "Mythbusters" up to demonstrate it!
UAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2131 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2931 times:
HAWK21M, I've seen shattered windscreens as a result of a controller failure on our aircraft in the past.
XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3132 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2908 times:
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 18): .....it's just an commercial airliner, not an armoured car.
you do know how they make armored glass right?
Its... laminated... glass.
Modern application use more plastics as the protection/cost has increased enough to outweigh the downsides of plastics.
I wouldn't be surprised if the only difference between airplane cockpit windows and lower level armor glass is that the cockpit windows have heaters in them to keep them from breaking at cruise altitude.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 25, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2816 times:
Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 23): HAWK21M, I've seen shattered windscreens as a result of a controller failure on our aircraft in the past.
When you mean "Shatter" Do you mean crumble to pieces & fallen glass.......Thats what I mean.
Never happened on a B737 or B757 though.
WHCU malfunctions leads to cracked windshield that still stays in place.
regds
MEL
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