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Where Is The First Air Koryo Tu-204-300?  
User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 11 months ago) and read 6317 times:

Where is the first Air Koryo Tu-204-300? More tham one month since the official delivery of this aircraft to North Korea and no photo yet, no informations about destination (Beijing), registration........
Strange isn't it? Is the aircraft flying in North Korea only for crew training or stored somewhere?
Informations are welcome.
Thanks

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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months ago) and read 6311 times:

At this time of year there is not that much traffic to the DPRK I believe, plus I can't imagine they would do crew training as there is a chronic fuel shortage in the country. Perhaps it's an all VIP configured aircraft, to take the top brass (if not dear old Kim himself) down to Macau for a spot of fun?


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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6295 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
Perhaps it's an all VIP configured aircraft, to take the top brass (if not dear old Kim himself) down to Macau for a spot of fun?

I think the Dear Leader is afraid of flying...



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6211 times:



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 2):
I think the Dear Leader is afraid of flying...

That is right, but I believe Air Koryo has been seen in several destination cities, such as Macau, with various members of the leadership onboard for a good time and perhaps a bit of 'diplomacy' thrown in for good measure.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6195 times:



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 2):
I think the Dear Leader is afraid of flying...

Correct, Kim doesn't fly, though it's unknown whether it's just a choice or a fear of flying. The "Dear Leader" only takes the train.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 3):
That is right, but I believe Air Koryo has been seen in several destination cities, such as Macau, with various members of the leadership onboard for a good time and perhaps a bit of 'diplomacy' thrown in for good measure.

Not to mention that in the past, JS was used for VIP flights into Europe before they were banned. That being said, the only true firmly scheduled destination JS has is PEK. Other destinations are either charters or VIP flights.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6140 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
That being said, the only true firmly scheduled destination JS has is PEK. Other destinations are either charters or VIP flights.

I thought SHE was a scheduled destination. I believe MFM and BKK are served pretty regularly as well.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 3):
That is right, but I believe Air Koryo has been seen in several destination cities, such as Macau, with various members of the leadership onboard for a good time and perhaps a bit of 'diplomacy' thrown in for good measure.

That wouldn't surprise me. Although a friend of mine recently visited the DPRK and said that there was a Macau-run entertainment and prostitution concession in his hotel in Pyongyang, so they might not even need to go that far!



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6126 times:



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 5):
That wouldn't surprise me. Although a friend of mine recently visited the DPRK and said that there was a Macau-run entertainment and prostitution concession in his hotel in Pyongyang, so they might not even need to go that far!

Oh that is ironic then! Who did he go with, as things go I'm going to be visiting at the end of this year? Praying that the Il-62 is still operating the route to PEK then.


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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6110 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
Oh that is ironic then! Who did he go with, as things go I'm going to be visiting at the end of this year? Praying that the Il-62 is still operating the route to PEK then.

Not sure exactly, but it was an organized tour that allowed Americans to go, so that may narrow it down a bit! I know it took a while for him to get the visa, and they were of course escorted everywhere.

His tour started in Beijing, but I believe they flew to Shenyang first and caught Air Koryo from there. His flight was an Il-62, so unless the rumored Tu-204 suddenly appears, I'd imagine your chances are pretty good.

I'd love to go there myself someday--my friend's photos were absolutely fascinating. Good luck!



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6065 times:



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 7):
His tour started in Beijing, but I believe they flew to Shenyang first and caught Air Koryo from there. His flight was an Il-62, so unless the rumored Tu-204 suddenly appears, I'd imagine your chances are pretty good.

I'd love to go there myself someday--my friend's photos were absolutely fascinating. Good luck!

Thanks - it does seem to be fairly hard to get in if you are an American (obvious reasons I know!), but for other nationalities it doesn't appear to be a problem. You're still fully escorted everywhere though, flying in from PEK and leaving by train to the North.


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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6047 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8):
Thanks - it does seem to be fairly hard to get in if you are an American

Not as I understand it. Quite a few Americans go there. It's all heavily escorted so it doesn't really matter. I am not sure about how difficult it is to get visas. I am sure North Korea is desperate for forex though.

Check this out : http://www.koryogroup.com/tours/index.html



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6035 times:



Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 9):
Check this out : http://www.koryogroup.com/tours/inde....html

Yeap, that is who I am going with. The US tours are much more restricted, with a maximum of four nights stay, even that has only been possible recently.


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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5981 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
Yeap, that is who I am going with.

That's the one my friend went with too.

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 9):
Not as I understand it. Quite a few Americans go there.

As PlymSpotter noted, the tour options are much more limited for Americans, and it wasn't easy for my friend to get a visa--his trip was up in the air until the last minute. From what I understand, US citizens are only allowed to visit during the Mass Games, which means there is a very narrow window for travel each year. As for "quite a few" Americans going...well, I personally only know of one. Of course there are others, but I would guess that for US citizens in any given year it's among the least visited destinations in the world!



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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5945 times:



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 11):
US citizens in any given year it's among the least visited destinations in the world

And indeed few people from any nation go there, must be one of the least visited inhabited destinations on earth. Ahh, no tourists. I would love to go, but not at that price.



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User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

Paul Lukacs did a very entertaining series of posts on his blog, Knife Tricks, about his trip to the DPRK. He talks about flying Air Koryo and the Macau concession. Most of the DPRK posts were made in the first half of 2007:

http://knifetricks.blogspot.com/search/label/DPRK


User currently offlineOneskyjet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 85 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5857 times:

I went on this trip with Koryo Tours in October 2007 with a group of approx 25 other Americans. It is absolutely possible tovisit North Korea as an American and though highly restricted is well worth the trip. We even played golf on the nine hole pitch and putt at the Yanggakdo Hotel in Pyongyang. Beelow are links to some photos I took there, icluding a bunch on the Air Koryo IL62s in and out of Pyongyang from Beijing

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10212246@N06/sets/72157602383677826/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10212246@N06/sets/72157602388112475/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10212246@N06/sets/72157602385116232/


User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

I went there about a year ago. Was the most bizarre place I have been hands down. Air Koryo was absolutely fabulous - got 2 rides on the IL-62, both different rego's to boot  Wink

The disapointint thing is you are not allowed to take many photos - you are only allowed to take photos of "designated tourist sites". You have to accept that before you go, and face the fact that you will have to pass on taking zillions of photos you would love to take.

4 nights is absolutely way more than enough. That's how long I was there fore, and I was keen as mustard to get the heck out of there.


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