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G4 To Temporarily Cut 5 IWA Routes For Summer '08  
User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3768 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Allegiant Air will temporarily cut service between five cities and IWA for the summer season (July-September) due to high fuel prices and expected low demand (read: expected very low yields). The five cities affected are RFD, PIA, FWA, SCK, and GRB.

Notably, this has nothing to do with IWA in general... G4 says that IWA has been performing better than expected.

You can read more here: http://www.rrstar.com/homepage/x1151558514

[Edited 2008-02-01 07:41:29]


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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Summer here in PHX is low season. Winter is more ideal for people not used to the extreme heat we get in summer. Glad to hear that G4 likes IWA.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3477 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Summer here in PHX is low season. Winter is more ideal for people not used to the extreme heat we get in summer.

That, combined with generally higher energy prices in the summer, is a recipe for disaster. Good thinking on G4's part, and if they aren't just blowing smoke about IWA/AZA performing well, I expect the routes to return.



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4604 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

When does G4 care about yeilds? LOL Anyways...

I would not be shocked if these "temporary" suspensions actually don't last a lot longer for all the cities but RFD.

[Edited 2008-02-01 10:03:18]

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4923 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

SCK seems the odd one out here since it is far shorter than all the other routes. Can it be deduced this is a weak performer from this or not?


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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Stockton is more pleasant during the summer than Phoenix. I am interested, as is Humberside, whether or not SCK performs well or not.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3177 times:



Quoting DesertAir (Reply 5):
Stockton is more pleasant during the summer than Phoenix. I am interested, as is Humberside, whether or not SCK performs well or not.

The Dec 2007 boardings for SCK were 3,514 passengers. That is for both the Vegas and Phoenix flights.



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2669 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

How does G4's MD80's perform in the hot summer days in IWA on the longer hauls... I would imagine they would take up a lot of runway on t/o


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User currently offlinePhatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2936 times:



Quoting Nkops (Reply 7):
How does G4's MD80's perform in the hot summer days in IWA on the longer hauls... I would imagine they would take up a lot of runway on t/o

It's not any different than AA's MD-80's PHX-ORD or DL's MD-80's PHX-ATL..


User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2894 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 6):

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 5):
Stockton is more pleasant during the summer than Phoenix. I am interested, as is Humberside, whether or not SCK performs well or not.

The Dec 2007 boardings for SCK were 3,514 passengers. That is for both the Vegas and Phoenix flights.

I'm not sure if numbers alone will tell us much. For G4 and SCK, it's all about the package deals which most likely draw from Livermore, Modesto, the south side of Sacramento (Elk Grove) etc... While I questioned the route to begin with given the cheap flights on US and WN from SMF and OAK, I don't think you can apply basic "airline thought" to any of G4's moves, simply due to the fact, it's not just about the airplane costs/load factors, etc.. I'd expect the service will return next winter.

I'm more interested in where those aircraft will be going. Any hints on when the next focus city will be launched or are these birds going to Florida?


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Ok they are cutting back on flights. So when is G4 going to start making FLL their east coast hub...????? They dropped the LAN/LAS flight for no reaason. These flight were full all the time. And they have completely pulled out of TOL ( I believe. I'm not sure on this). Seems to me they are pulling flights just for the heck of it. I can under stand it if they are losing money on a route. But, I know for a fact that the LAN/LAS flights were full and they were making money with them. No one else was flying the LAN/LAS route but them... So what gives????

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2760 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 10):
But, I know for a fact that the LAN/LAS flights were full and they were making money with them. No one else was flying the LAN/LAS route but them... So what gives????

Interesting, do you think there is a good chance that they might start LAN-FLL? I would hope that if fuel comes down to $ 80-85 then they will restart it.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Wasn't there a song in a Clint Eastwood movie, You dont go to Tucson in the Summertime or sometime like that. How about a flight to ACV so all valley people can cool off?

User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2741 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 10):
Ok they are cutting back on flights.....They dropped the LAN/LAS flight for no reason. These flight were full all the time

Remember, full planes do not equal profits. Let me put it to you this way, Allegiant does not pull profitable routes. I believe Allegiant pulled LAN-LAS due to high fuel prices, increasing competition, and more profitable opportunities to use the aircraft elsewhere.



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User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 10):
And they have completely pulled out of TOL

TOL still has service to SFB and PIE.

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 10):
But, I know for a fact that the LAN/LAS flights were full and they were making money with them.

Oh do tell your source.

[Edited 2008-02-02 19:54:39]

User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2684 times:



Quoting Phatfarmlines (Reply 8):
It's not any different than AA's MD-80's PHX-ORD or DL's MD-80's PHX-ATL..

Actually the differance is I think G4's MD80's have a "few" more seats in them than AA's or DL's making them much heavier if the G4 flight is full or near full.

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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2669 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 10):
They dropped the LAN/LAS flight for no reaason.

I think the increases in fuel prices are a reason. If you look around many airlines are dropping some of their longer flights these days.

Maurice Gallagher, Allegiant's CEO, in the Q3 conference call basically said they didn't see a corresponding increase in revenue on the longer stages to offset the extra hour of fuel.

So they are now looking at shorter stage lengths.

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 15):
Actually the differance is I think G4's MD80's have a "few" more seats in them than AA's or DL's making them much heavier if the G4 flight is full or near full.

But Allegiant doesn't carry cargo, only luggage. It might not be that much of a difference.



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

With G4 announcing on Friday that two aircraft are being based in Bellingham, do we see a link between the downsizing at Mesa and this new base? I'm wondering what opportunities may develop....

User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2662 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
The five cities affected are RFD, PIA, FWA, SCK, and GRB.

I'm not surprised SCK will be "temporarily cut". I highly doubt they could ever achieve even a high load factor (or yields for that matter) out of SCK flying an MD-80. SCK hasn't even seen service since HP and I don't think it was the best choice to take traffic from either the Sacramento or Bay Areas, because I honestly cannot see just the Modesto area sustaining MD-80s to different destinations.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2627 times:



Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 17):
With G4 announcing on Friday that two aircraft are being based in Bellingham, do we see a link between the downsizing at Mesa and this new base? I'm wondering what opportunities may develop....

If I understand the timelines, the Bellingham base opens in March but these cuts don't happen until summer.

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 18):
I'm not surprised SCK will be "temporarily cut". I highly doubt they could ever achieve even a high load factor

What would you consider "high"? Allegiant's SCK-LAS has been operating at monthly load factors ranging from 74% to 88%.



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User currently offlineShadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Anyone have any idea how FLL is performing? There's always a lot of talk about hout Mesa's doing but no talk at all about how

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Let me be a little more specific about SCK-LAS, I forgot they had a lower month. I'm missing the Sept 2007 load factor but loads in other months on SCK-LAS have been:
April-07 84%
May-07 71%
June-07 75%
July-07 88%
August-07 78%
October-07 65%
November-07 74%

Not bad considering they compete against other service at SMF, OAK, and SJC.



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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2598 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 21):
Let me be a little more specific about SCK-LAS, I forgot they had a lower month. I'm missing the Sept 2007 load factor but loads in other months on SCK-LAS have been:
April-07 84%
May-07 71%
June-07 75%
July-07 88%
August-07 78%
October-07 65%
November-07 74%

Not bad considering they compete against other service at SMF, OAK, and SJC.

Where did you get this info?


User currently offlineBuzz100ca From United States of America, joined May 2007, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

The load factor from SCK-LAS just goes to show how popular a destination Vegas is for the Valley. I would love to see OO or HP start MOD-LAS. We're the only city in the Central Valley without the route (BFL, VIS, FAT, MCE, SCK, SMF)

User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2525 times:



Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 17):
With G4 announcing on Friday that two aircraft are being based in Bellingham, do we see a link between the downsizing at Mesa and this new base? I'm wondering what opportunities may develop....

Interesting, I haven't heard about this. Do you think they will try to market packages for Seattle/Vancouver and use this as a base?


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 25, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2507 times:



Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 22):
Where did you get this info?

I've been tracking the route through several sources including the T100s and the Stockton and Tracy media.

Personally I wasn't sure if Allegiant going to SCK was going to be smart decision or not. So I've been following the route.

There are over 1.1 million people in Stanislaus and San Joaquin counties (the Stockton/Modesto areas). But the question to me was would passengers use a local airport or continue to drive elsewhere.

We'll see how they did on SCK-Phoenix over the first few months when the T100s for those months are released to break out the route.

In terms of the Phoenix route, well I'm not sure I would fly from Stockton with average August high temps of 92 to vacation in Phoenix's average high of 104. Like most Central Californians, my first choices are the cooler air in the mountains or at the beaches. So I'm not surprised the flight is temporarily suspended over the summer.



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