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Delta 777-232LR Route Proving (LAX/NRT)  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10031 times:

As mentioned in a previous thread, Delta plans on sending its new 777-232LR on several route proving flights for crew training/familiarization and to "show the flag" to all the employees to which the plane will be dedicated.

In addition to the LAX sector previously mentioned, Delta is sending N701DN to Tokyo-Narita on 3/9/08! Here is the current schedule:

March 8, 2008:
DL 110 - Depart Atlanta (ATL) at 08:30am, arrive Los Angeles (LAX) at 10:20am
DL 101 - Depart Los Angeles (LAX) at 11:30am, arrive Atlanta (ATL) at 6:42pm

March 9/10, 2008:
DL 55 - Depart Atlanta (ATL) 3/9/08 at 9:30am, arrive Tokyo-Narita (NRT) 3/10/08 at 1:00pm
DL 56 - Deptart Tokyo-Narita (NRT) 3/10/08 at 2:55pm, arrive Atlanta (ATL) 3/10/08 at 2:15pm

Guess who will be on the 77L's first trip to the land of the rising sun?



I'll be all over this bird's departure to LAX on 3/8/08, camera in hand. More information to follow...

Cheers,
Chris in Atlanta

[Edited 2008-02-02 03:06:58]

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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9844 times:

KUDOS!

Times like this is when I WISHED I still worked for Delta! I would have used and S2 to try and stand-by on this flight! I'm pretty sure it will have a nice send-off party in ATL and LAX. Can't wait for pictures.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

I am so glad DL are getting these... I think they will show the value of this aircraft by using it on runs where they already use a 772ER but where the LR will give them the ability to load it full of passeners and cargo. Ultra-longhaul flights with current fuel prices are not attractive economically. I think DL is smart to add the horsepower of the LR to its weight restricted 772ER routes instead of trying to max the range to ULH destinations just for the sake of having long legs (just look at SQ's A345 routes now -- hard to make a profit on 18+ hour flights). There a lot of lucrative routes in the 10-14 hour range and the LR is a great plane to handle these routes at MTOW.

As much as I can't stand how frequently DL changes logos (don't mind their designs but good grief why change so much!) and am not a huge fan of the new one... but the LR looks great in it the new colors.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9616 times:



Quoting QantasHeavy (Reply 3):
There a lot of lucrative routes in the 10-14 hour range and the LR is a great plane to handle these routes at MTOW.

The LR will operate on flights in the 16-18 hr range.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9240 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Guess who will be on the 77L's first trip to the land of the rising sun?

If only you could see my envy through your monitor  Silly . Enjoy the trip though, hope to see some (read: a lot of) pictures Big grin .


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9162 times:



Quoting QantasHeavy (Reply 3):
There a lot of lucrative routes in the 10-14 hour range and the LR is a great plane to handle these routes at MTOW.



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 4):
The LR will operate on flights in the 16-18 hr range.

Yes the LR will operate routes in the 16-18 hour range but they also out-preform the ER on flights longer then 10-14hours. Somewhere around 5500-6000 miles the ER has to start trading payload for range whereas the LR can carry on with a higher payload. In reverse however on flights less then 5500-6000 miles the ER is actually more economical to operate then the LR as your not carrying around all the extra weight/empty fuel tanks taking up space.



Semper Fi - PowerPoint makes us stupid.
User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9079 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):

P-I-C-T-U-R-E-S

Just a thought...nice shot of the crew should be in order, eh?


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9028 times:



Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 6):
P-I-C-T-U-R-E-S

Yup yup agreed, sorry flynavy if you weren't planning on doing a trip report but I think you just got drafted!!!



Semper Fi - PowerPoint makes us stupid.
User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8985 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 5):
Yes the LR will operate routes in the 16-18 hour range but they also out-preform the ER on flights longer then 10-14hours. Somewhere around 5500-6000 miles the ER has to start trading payload for range whereas the LR can carry on with a higher payload. In reverse however on flights less then 5500-6000 miles the ER is actually more economical to operate then the LR as your not carrying around all the extra weight/empty fuel tanks taking up space.

DL have a nice set up engine wise. The RR is the most efficient medium range engine on the 777. The GE the most efficient long range engine.


User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8965 times:

Yes Chris,

We want pictures, especially in Bizelite. I can't wait to start burning all of my skymiles in J class LR. =)

[Edited 2008-02-02 10:47:52]

User currently offlineDelta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8965 times:

I will be on both flights as well, hopefully ATL-NRT doesn't sell out in BizElite, its looking good so far. I'll be on standby and I hope that I don't have to sit in Y for such a long flight....I know, I'm spoiled.


FLY DELTA JETS
User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8924 times:



Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 10):
I know, I'm spoiled.

That's when being a medallion is so great on domestic routes with those complimentary upgrades, lol. Enjoy, I wish I was on those flights.


User currently offlineBa777pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8794 times:

nice to know that your going on its first flight

also would even be better to see a trip report!!

HOPE TO SEE SOME PICS!!!



N.S.
User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8721 times:

Does anyone know what airlpane Lee Moak flies for DL? If it is a 777 do you think he'll be flying one of the flights? Also, what is the designation in DL's system for the LR? I really want to fly on this airplane, but I don't want to book a flight on the wrong airplane! Thanks.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12857 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8440 times:
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Quoting United1 (Reply 5):
Yes the LR will operate routes in the 16-18 hour range but they also out-preform the ER on flights longer then 10-14hours. Somewhere around 5500-6000 miles the ER has to start trading payload for range whereas the LR can carry on with a higher payload. In reverse however on flights less then 5500-6000 miles the ER is actually more economical to operate then the LR as your not carrying around all the extra weight/

 checkmark 

Out to 4000nm, the RR is the clear winner on the 777 for economics. (772ER or 773).
From 4000nm to ~ 6000nm, the GE-90 has a slight advantage on the 772ER.
As noted, 6000nm on, 772 or 77L is the economic king.

Note: I'm talking air miles. Since ATL-NRT could be ~7,000nm in the air... a good route for the 77L. LAX-NRT... is right on the cusp of the decision point between the two airframes/engines (772ER vs. 772LR). I have a feeling DL chose the 77L for long term flexibility.

That is the reason why so many variations on airframes are offered. Each is customized to produce the best possible profit over a certain mission.

Am I the only one impressed by the number of 77L sales over the last few years? I had almost written off significant ULH growth and then a pleasant surprise...  bigthumbsup 

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7412 times:



Quoting Ba777pilot (Reply 12):
nice to know that your going on its first flight

also would even be better to see a trip report!!

HOPE TO SEE SOME PICS!!!

My son an I are in Biz-Elite on DL 110, 8 Mar, ATL -> LAX! Seats 2A and 2B ....
Other A-netters come and say hi!
There will be pics!



I love to fly, and it shows!
User currently offlineAvi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7160 times:
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Quoting Skymiler (Reply 15):
My son an I are in Biz-Elite on DL 110, 8 Mar, ATL -> LAX! Seats 2A and 2B ....
Other A-netters come and say hi!
There will be pics!

I am currently in 11D on DL 110 LAX-ATL on the 8th. The window seats in the forward BizElite cabin were already booked when I bought my ticket!



*Long live the Widget*
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7093 times:

Plenty of seats still available on ATL-LAX on the 8th too. Just for the hell of it, I looked at the price of a plane ticket for DAB-ATL-LAX-ATL-DAB on the 8th (one day trip) and it's only $320, ironically one of the cheapest flights of the day being on the 777. If I was ANYTHING but a poor college student, I would be on that flight.  frown 

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

This is killing me. I looked at JAX-ATL-LAX-ATL-JAX as well and it's only $260, including all taxes. This is so damn tempting. I can't even fly Florida-North Carolina that cheap. I could go both there and back on the 777 if I wanted or I could hang out at LAX for a couple hours then return (possibly go to In N' Out  biggrin  Wink.

The fun/adventurous side of me saying "Innaugurual flight on the DL 777-200LR- once in a lifetime opportunity, flying across the country (4 legs in one day), getting to visit California for the first time"

The other side of me is saying "$$$$, which I have enough to afford the ticket, but not much else should I decide to buy it, and School". Even though it's a Saturday I would hate for something to happen and me get stuck in California.    One other big thing keeping me from saying "yes" is I fear I'll get delayed leaving JAX that morning and would miss the connection in ATL meaning the whole trip would be wasted.

[Edited 2008-02-02 16:53:56]

User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5307 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6192 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 14):
Am I the only one impressed by the number of 77L sales over the last few years? I had almost written off significant ULH growth and then a pleasant surprise...   

There won't be ULH growth, at least not if ULH is defined as the routes over 7000nm that lesser craft just can't handle. The reason for the LR sales is the plane's ability to carry big cargo loads on routes between 5500 and 7000 nm where all competitive aircraft (save the problematic A345) face weight restrictions.

I don't think of the LR as a ULH plane. I think of it as a long-haul plane with phenomenal cargo-hauling ability. If the plane were to be used for ULH, we would have seen someone order it with one or more aux tanks. That hasn't happened.


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

I wish I could afford to do something like that. We in DTW do not get good cheep prices this time of year. We pay thru the nose to fly anywhere in the USA. Oh we could go to Europe to freeze our butts off. But hay we can do that here...LOLOL....

Chuck in DTW


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6017 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 18):
This is killing me. I looked at JAX-ATL-LAX-ATL-JAX as well and it's only $260, including all taxes. This is so damn tempting. I can't even fly Florida-North Carolina that cheap. I could go both there and back on the 777 if I wanted or I could hang out at LAX for a couple hours then return (possibly go to In N' Out .

The fun/adventurous side of me saying "Innaugurual flight on the DL 777-200LR- once in a lifetime opportunity, flying across the country (4 legs in one day), getting to visit California for the first time"

The other side of me is saying "$$$$, which I have enough to afford the ticket, but not much else should I decide to buy it, and School". Even though it's a Saturday I would hate for something to happen and me get stuck in California. One other big thing keeping me from saying "yes" is I fear I'll get delayed leaving JAX that morning and would miss the connection in ATL meaning the whole trip would be wasted.

Wussy. Do it.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5891 times:



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 19):
I don't think of the LR as a ULH plane.

If the LR is not a ULH plane, one doesn't exist.

The LR is a superlifting long range airplane or a ULH craft - whatever you want it to be.

Those who say there will not be a ULH marker are basing their comments on SQ's experience with the A345 which has proven to not be capable of the tasks the LR can do and it still adds as much as 20% or more to the cost to carry the load. No aircraft can be competitive given that kind of penalty.

There are plenty of 8000 mile routes in the world where the LR will do quite well. Such range is pushing the limits of many other aircraft but provides the opportunity for the LR to carry a full load of passengers, plenty of cargo, and the performance necessary for high/hot airports.

I think alot of US airlines will be surprised at what DL will do with the LR.

There are rumors that another batch of DL LR orders is in the works. May it be true!


User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5307 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5313 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 22):
Those who say there will not be a ULH marker are basing their comments on SQ's experience with the A345 which has proven to not be capable of the tasks the LR can do and it still adds as much as 20% or more to the cost to carry the load. No aircraft can be competitive given that kind of penalty.

There are plenty of 8000 mile routes in the world where the LR will do quite well. Such range is pushing the limits of many other aircraft but provides the opportunity for the LR to carry a full load of passengers, plenty of cargo, and the performance necessary for high/hot airports.

The 77L has a significant efficiency advantage over the A345 on virtually all missions where its capabilities are useful. The source of the advantage isn't magic: it's a lighter plane that can lift a heavier payload. The 77L advantage isn't 20%, and it's also not enough to change the fundamental problem associated with ULH flying: horrible fuel efficiency.

Above 7000 nm, the amount of fuel needed to lift and carry the fuel load, before revenue payload is even considered, becomes very problematic. The 77L doesn't change this fact; it only nibbles away at the margins. Especially given current fuel prices, the 77L wouldn't solve the problems that both SQ and TG have encountered in operating their A345 ULH services.

I would bet money against any new routes longer than 7576 nm (SFO-BLR) opening during the 77L's lifecycle unless fuel prices drop radically, except perhaps for an all-premium service on a major route like SYD-LHR.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9286 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5072 times:



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 23):
I would bet money against any new routes longer than 7576 nm (SFO-BLR) opening during the 77L's lifecycle unless fuel prices drop radically, except perhaps for an all-premium service on a major route like SYD-LHR.

I could see DL trying ATL-BKK (7900nm)
and ATL-BOM (7300nm)



yep.
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