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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8601 times:

The other thread is not only a week old but also apporaching 200 posts. There is new PIT-related development pertaining to cargo development trying to lure the air-silk route to China:

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08033/854236-85.stm

Quote:
A state agency will back $5 million in tax-increment financing for a major cargo-related warehouse development near Pittsburgh International Airport, one that eventually could generate an estimated 1,900 jobs and help build an "air silk road" to China.

The Commonwealth Financing Agency agreed yesterday to guarantee $5 million in tax-incremental financing needed to complete the funding for the $22 million first phase of the project, which could result in the construction of 900,000 square feet of warehouse distribution and air cargo space.

PITrules, I know how much you keep saying how the development around the airport grounds is for anything but aviation, well now here's something totally different, and directly related to aviation -- air cargo! (The other non-aviation development is still good for the region in that it creates jobs tho.)

There is a lot more to the article. It looks like it could be something quite large and significant!     

[Edited 2008-02-02 07:52:25]


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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Have they started work on the site yet as far as flattening out the land? I know they have part of Moon- Clinton Road closed heading towards runway 10L. Would this be the access road they would use off of Route 60 or would they come in off Business 60?


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8545 times:



Quoting PITops (Reply 1):
Have they started work on the site yet as far as flattening out the land? I know they have part of Moon- Clinton Road closed heading towards runway 10L. Would this be the access road they would use off of Route 60 or would they come in off Business 60?

I am not sure. The article essentially stated that they have all of the funding in place now to move forward with the project, and it indicated a 3k foot access road from a route 60 interchange.

I guess they could add the access road from Moon-Clinton Rd either along 10L to near where the existing cargo warehouses are. Then there's another possibility behind the parking lot there right off of the Clinton Rd Interchange. Another possibility would be to extend Int'l Drive off of Business 60, so who knows...



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8542 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 2):
I guess they could add the access road from Moon-Clinton Rd either along 10L to near where the existing cargo warehouses are. Then there's another possibility behind the parking lot there right off of the Clinton Rd Interchange. Another possibility would be to extend Int'l Drive off of Business 60, so who knows...

When they built International Drive, they left enough room to expand to the west. Plus the interchange is very wide. But so is Moon- Clinton now. Just needs straightened and widened going towards business 60.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8532 times:



Quoting PITops (Reply 3):
When they built International Drive, they left enough room to expand to the west. Plus the interchange is very wide. But so is Moon- Clinton now. Just needs straightened and widened going towards business 60.

I looked back at the article, and it also said that after the warehouses are built, a new taxiway to one of the main runways would be built. I am guessing this might be separate from the existing cargo facilities, unless this taxiway would be part of a means of expanding all of that. I still kinda think that they might use Int'l Drive, but it looks like there's quite a bit of space behind the parking lot there for the pax terminal. I think it would also be neat to go to the parking lot, and look just op over the hill there at a mass of cargo jets. Even looking across from the food court in Airside wouldn't be bad either. I remember seeing a few Fedex DC10s back in the day.



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8529 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 4):
I looked back at the article, and it also said that after the warehouses are built, a new taxiway to one of the main runways would be built. I am guessing this might be separate from the existing cargo facilities, unless this taxiway would be part of a means of expanding all of that. I still kinda think that they might use Int'l Drive, but it looks like there's quite a bit of space behind the parking lot there for the pax terminal. I think it would also be neat to go to the parking lot, and look just op over the hill there at a mass of cargo jets. Even looking across from the food court in Airside wouldn't be bad either. I remember seeing a few Fedex DC10s back in the day.

Dick's is building their new headquarters up there somewhere too with access to a taxiway. If they are going to build a whole new complex, you would think they would build an entire new taxiway on the northern side of 28R/ 10L so the cargo jets didn't have to backtrack on the commercial side.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8519 times:



Quoting PITops (Reply 5):
Dick's is building their new headquarters up there somewhere too with access to a taxiway. If they are going to build a whole new complex, you would think they would build an entire new taxiway on the northern side of 28R/ 10L so the cargo jets didn't have to backtrack on the commercial side.

I've been wondering where exactly they were going to build that complex. Shoot, if this is also going to include a taxiway... I guess this would mean a lot of corporate learjet flying in addition to cargo jets.

Given that, yes I would imagine this already being built. Who knows what is going to become of all of this. It really has me quite excited though.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8479 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
Shoot, if this is also going to include a taxiway... I guess this would mean a lot of corporate learjet flying in addition to cargo jets.

Dicks does own a jet or two, I've seen them on Flightaware. I believe they're Hawkers.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8475 times:

Who is going to fly this route and with what? Sorry if this has already been answered in the previous threads.


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8467 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 8):
Who is going to fly this route and with what? Sorry if this has already been answered in the previous threads.

The article just mentions state financing for a planned route. It doesn't say what air cargo company or route will be flown.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8452 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 8):
Who is going to fly this route and with what? Sorry if this has already been answered in the previous threads.



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 9):
The article just mentions state financing for a planned route. It doesn't say what air cargo company or route will be flown.

An article in the Beaver Valley Times from about a month or so ago indicated that Evergreen International Airlines has expressed some interest in serving such a route, and if they were to be the one to start service on the air-silk route, it would mean they'd use a 747. They use 747 on US-Asia routes.

Also the route I believe would be between PIT and Xi'an Xiangyang Airport (I don't remember the code for that airport).



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA2988/history

I can see one night the flight going PVD-PIT is just a bypass of PHL due to some BS going on at PHL... but 2 nights in one week seems a bit excessive for even that (though the wx has been crappy lately.)

Maybe a PVD-PIT is in the works?


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8424 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
Maybe a PVD-PIT is in the works?

I think that, or maybe even BDL could work. I know there's not that much O&D into BDL itself, but it is about 15 minutes north of Hartford, CT, which has some healthy O&D for PIT flyers. My thinking would be that if WN could market Hartford via BDL pretty well, they might be able to pull it off. PVD and/or MHT might also work as well...



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8425 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):
I know there's not that much O&D into BDL itself, but it is about 15 minutes north of Hartford, CT, which has some healthy O&D for PIT flyers. My thinking would be that if WN could market Hartford via BDL pretty well, they might be able to pull it off.

Dude, EVERYONE markets BDL as Hartford. No commercial airliners fly to HFD... BDL is the commercial airport for Hartford. It's not just WN pulling the same crap they do with MHT/PVD as BOS. Besides, BDL is about the same distance from downtown as PIT is from downtown Pittsburgh.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8413 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 13):
No commercial airliners fly to HFD...

 banghead 

of course!

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 13):
Besides, BDL is about the same distance from downtown as PIT is from downtown Pittsburgh.

That much I know. I looked it up on google maps one time to see how long it would take to get from BDL into downtown Hartford, and of course it's about the same time it would take to get from PIT to downtown...



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8382 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 10):
An article in the Beaver Valley Times from about a month or so ago indicated that Evergreen International Airlines has expressed some interest in serving such a route, and if they were to be the one to start service on the air-silk route, it would mean they'd use a 747. They use 747 on US-Asia routes.

Also the route I believe would be between PIT and Xi'an Xiangyang Airport (I don't remember the code for that airport).

Thank you Steeler83!



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8375 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 15):
Thank you Steeler83!

Any time! Glad I could help. I am still waiting on the traffic numbers for the year 2007 tho. They should be posted any day here. For some reason it takes them over a month to do, while other airports (Miami, Indianapolis) have already posted theirs...



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3115 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8294 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Thread starter):
here's something totally different, and directly related to aviation -- air cargo!

What a concept! Good to see they are considering getting back to basics, and moving forward with airport related development on an airport.

Quoting PITops (Reply 5):
you would think they would build an entire new taxiway on the northern side of 28R/ 10L so the cargo jets didn't have to backtrack on the commercial side.

I believe that is the plan; and the new taxiway mentoned. The existing taxiway leading to the cargo area will ultimately be extended westward and parallel to the full length of 28R/10L.




I dug up this 3 page article. It is 3 years old, but still has some good reading, including original "Northfield" proposals. It is interesting to see what has and has not been achieved since.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ries/2005/03/21/story2.html?page=1



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8262 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 17):
I dug up this 3 page article. It is 3 years old, but still has some good reading, including original "Northfield" proposals. It is interesting to see what has and has not been achieved since.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...age=1

Well for one thing, they don't have such a carrier yet. Now they want to build 7 structures and at least one new taxiway! I kinda am shocked that the State supplied one final financial piece of the puzzle in order to move forward with this development. Now if we could only entice Evergreen or some cargo airline to fly the route to Xi'an. Fedex Ground has a base at PIT (Moon Twp) don't they? Forget the access to major highways (PA60/US22/30 to be renamed I-376), there's also a major truck operation there as well. They could use that in their marketing attempts to lure in new cargo carriers, although I am sure they are.

I wonder if this will be located in Moon or Findlay Twp. Some of the airport is in Moon Twp (who rejected a cargo hub proposal years back), while most of the property I believe is in Findlay...

I wish there were some recent pictures or graphics that identified where Dicks was building their corporate headquarters on airport property. Maybe it would give me an idea as to where this new air cargo development will go. I know the Dicks facility will include its own interchange with PA60, according to previous news articles, as well as its own taxi ways for their corporate jets.

I really hope this project isn't shot dead by some closed minded NIMBYs who have no concept of economic development, something the region could really use...



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8246 times:

Sorry to get off topic from the cargo proposal, but I just checked Delta's newly-updated April schedules, and it looks like they're sending more 757 action to PIT.

Toward the second half of April, Delta will begin sending three daily 757's on the ATL-PIT route (plus two MD-88's and three CRJ-900's).

A few more Delta notes, they'll keep the MD-88 frequency to CVG, and two of the JFK frequencies will be upgraded -- one to a CRJ-700 and another to a CRJ-900. Also, PIT-SLC will be downgraded back to the CRJ-900, unfortunately. I wonder if the route has not been performing as well or if the MD-90 is needed out west.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3115 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8231 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 18):
Well for one thing, they don't have such a carrier yet. Now they want to build 7 structures and at least one new taxiway!

From the article, it looks like they will build the first building from speculation without any tenants. It then states they will build one building approximately every 18 months. But that realistically won't happen until the first building gets at least one tenant. However, even though they don't have a carrier, I think it is imperative to get one building up. We won't attract anyone without it. If they want to put up all 7 buildings (and I hope they do), other pieces of the puzzle need to fall into place as well (more effective marketing, continuing improvements to highways, airport fees, etc.). That will take hard work, commitment, and the ability of all this region's gov't work together on this project.

However, I am optomistic this can be successful. We are starting to hear from outside concerns such as Xi'an airport and Evergreen Int'l, so hopefully this is more than the usual over-optomistic local gov't press.

I have long stated international cargo distribution is the best way to grow this airport - looks like PIT is finally getting the picture.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 18):
Fedex Ground has a base at PIT (Moon Twp) don't they?

Unfortunately, the FedEx Ground world HQ has had, and will continue to have little affect on air cargo at PIT.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 18):
I wish there were some recent pictures or graphics that identified where Dicks was building their corporate headquarters on airport property. Maybe it would give me an idea as to where this new air cargo development will go.

I believe the air cargo will be immediately west of the existing cargo area, abeam the Int'l Drive interchange, with Dicks further west near the Business 60/Clinton Rd. interchange, near the 10L threshold. I haven't seen anything concrete however.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8195 times:



Quoting N670UW (Reply 19):
Sorry to get off topic from the cargo proposal, but I just checked Delta's newly-updated April schedules, and it looks like they're sending more 757 action to PIT.

Toward the second half of April, Delta will begin sending three daily 757's on the ATL-PIT route (plus two MD-88's and three CRJ-900's).

A few more Delta notes, they'll keep the MD-88 frequency to CVG, and two of the JFK frequencies will be upgraded -- one to a CRJ-700 and another to a CRJ-900.

Those are all really nice things to hear! So ATL won't be going all mainline, but 3 757s, 2 MD88s and 3 CR9s? I will not complain about that!

Quoting N670UW (Reply 19):
Also, PIT-SLC will be downgraded back to the CRJ-900, unfortunately. I wonder if the route has not been performing as well or if the MD-90 is needed out west.

Well, at least the route is still around, and for several months it was a very strong performer. I am thinking it is because they have other places to use the MD90 but they have few birds. They are securing 11 I believe from China Airways. Maybe once they acquire those birds the MD90 will return...

Or perhaps the MD90 could be seasonal and come back again in May. Whatever, I am not disappointed in that...

It may be off topic from the cargo proposal, but it is still on topic given that it's still about PIT  Wink

Quoting PITrules (Reply 20):
From the article, it looks like they will build the first building from speculation without any tenants. It then states they will build one building approximately every 18 months. But that realistically won't happen until the first building gets at least one tenant. However, even though they don't have a carrier, I think it is imperative to get one building up. We won't attract anyone without it. If they want to put up all 7 buildings (and I hope they do), other pieces of the puzzle need to fall into place as well (more effective marketing, continuing improvements to highways, airport fees, etc.). That will take hard work, commitment, and the ability of all this region's gov't work together on this project.

However, I am optomistic this can be successful. We are starting to hear from outside concerns such as Xi'an airport and Evergreen Int'l, so hopefully this is more than the usual over-optomistic local gov't press.

I have long stated international cargo distribution is the best way to grow this airport - looks like PIT is finally getting the picture.

As far as improvements to highways is concerned, PA60/22-30-279 as you know will be renamed I-376. So I-376's new terminus I think will be with I-80 or just up past New Castle. The PA Turnpike has released its FEIS on the PA576 project from US22 to I-79, which will provide direct access from the Airport to I-79 towards Washington, Morgantown, and points south.

Regarding all of those extra buildings, I think they really -- REALLY want to land an airline to China! What do you think? I guess their thinking now is, "if we build it, they will come..."

Quoting PITrules (Reply 20):
I believe the air cargo will be immediately west of the existing cargo area, abeam the Int'l Drive interchange, with Dicks further west near the Business 60/Clinton Rd. interchange, near the 10L threshold. I haven't seen anything concrete however.

That is my thinking as well, but wouldn't it be neat to look across the parking lot at a nice assortment of cargo jets, especially a 747?  hyper 



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8164 times:



Quoting N670UW (Reply 19):
PIT-SLC will be downgraded back to the CRJ-900, unfortunately. I wonder if the route has not been performing as well or if the MD-90 is needed out west.

Ski season will be winding down... that might be part of it.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8153 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 22):
Ski season will be winding down... that might be part of it.

That's true. I didn't even think of that one.  silly 



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Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8147 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 23):

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 22):
Ski season will be winding down... that might be part of it.

That's true. I didn't even think of that one. silly

Well, I'm not saying that has anything to do with the flight reduction... but it might be part of it. I know my parents' neighbors take 2 ski trips a year out there to Park City for skiing. Sure that's one family, but it's not as if that area is unknown for skiing Yinzers. 7 Springs does get boring after awhile.


25 PITops : Stricly weather at this point but like I've said before, we see alot of PVD travelers at PIT. I think one or two daily flights would work. I think th
26 Vega : Unless you are aware of something different, the DL 757s are being used for PIT-ATL only for the month of April. By about May 1, the flights all reve
27 N670UW : Has Delta's May schedule been finalized? I believe they just finalized the April schedule.
28 Post contains links Steeler83 : News on the MFE project: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08035/854633-147.stm This would mean that a public-private partnership would raise $1.8 - $2 b
29 PITops : You say you are not a fan of highway development but Pittsburgh has one of the worst highway systems in the country. We NEED new highways.
30 Steeler83 : Well that is true. The Parkway is in dire need of being widened. I kinda disagree with the folks in Braddocc and McKeesport and how they say that thi
31 Post contains links PITrules : Here's more info on the cargo facilities, including a few diagrams. http://legistar.county.allegheny.pa.us/attachments/6130.pdf
32 Post contains images Steeler83 : " target=_blank>http://legistar.county.allegheny.pa....0.pdf Good post. It looks like our original thinking is where these new facilities are going t
33 PITops : The Parkway is a pain. It should be getting more attention then some other roads. I would be doing this one before the MFE. It would take alot more w
34 PITops : Just pulled into the parking lot and saw an old Pan Am 727 taking off. What a pretty site that was!!! Wish I would've brought my camera with me.
35 Tornado82 : With the MFE/Southern Beltway, the Parkway's traffic volumes should decrease to a more reasonable level. Probably still right at capacity, but that b
36 PITops : Very true. But are people going to use the MFE? So far, the prediction numbers for Phase 1 were way too high.
37 Steeler83 : According to the Insider's Guide to Pittsburgh (either 2004 or 2005), the Parkway West between Carnegie and Downtown is the most heavily traveled hig
38 Tornado82 : Because it's incomplete and therefore not as useful as it will be when it's complete. For instance if I want to go from Uniontown to Morgantown I'd h
39 PITops : Weren't the numbers just for Phase 1 and not for when the project was completed? It's definately in the top 3 if anything. That road is crazy sometim
40 Steeler83 : Yeah, like that rediculous interchange with US 19 and PA 51. Cutting across 3 lanes of traffic to get off at the Uniontown offramp -- not fun!
41 PITops : That's one area that needs redone. I don't know what else could be done with that. Any ideas?
42 Steeler83 : I say just make it one large interchange -- a stack/cloverleaf combination. Have the offramp from Inbound 279 at just before the onramps from Banksvi
43 Pgh234 : There are about 20 other interchanges that need to be improved before the West End interchange...how about Squirrel Hill on the Parkway East, Greentre
44 Steeler83 : They really should make that into a partial stack interchange at the very least -- have flyover ramps for PA 22-30 traffic. Isn't part of US22 an exp
45 PITops : It needs it! Worst intersection I've been on. Down right dangerous. Sounds like a plan to me.
46 Post contains links N670UW : Some good news here, it looks like the ACAA is cutting fees. Pittsburgh International Airport cuts fees to airlines http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/080
47 PITops : You beat me to it! I heard today at work that this was happening. I hadn't heard any numbers though. It looks good though. Finally they are using thei
48 Post contains images Steeler83 : Uh, perhaps the next thing we hear is WN adds new destinations and/or frequencies? Perhaps we can now see some real growth take place!!
49 Tornado82 : Looks as if they took advantage of the economic slump and interest rate tumbles for a refinance. They may have even jumped the gun a bit too prematur
50 Post contains links and images Steeler83 : Here's something rather interesting from the Tribune-Review: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/trib...review/news/breaking/s_551452.html "Several Local
51 PITrules : Looks like the huge assinine typical southwest PA gov't fee increase of a couple months ago did indeed turn out to be a typical knee-jerk reaction; wa
52 PITrules : I think KLM can be construed as NW/KLM, in which the 757 would be the smallest aircraft capable of the route.
53 PITops : I'm sure they feel dumb. Scaring off potential growth. I did hear something interesting though. My supervisor told me when he was selling superbowl b
54 Tornado82 : Sounds more like she's just a bit on the slow/ditsy side herself. Even if their intraoffice communications are nil, how can you miss something that h
55 PITops : More like TWA.
56 Post contains images Steeler83 : Oh yeah! Duh!
57 PITops : Read an article at work with some passenger numbers for 2007 but I am trying to find the source online to link it. Numbers were down from 2006.
58 Tornado82 : Once again is that total numbers, or O&D numbers? If O&D dropped I'd say a good bit of it has to do with WN no longer having those "intro" fares, mit
59 Post contains links PITops : Here is the full story... http://www.timesonline.com/articles/...news/doc47ad0578afba2702881006.txt
60 PITops : If that is the case then why did WN have the biggest increase in passengers?
61 Tornado82 : The words "number of seats" come to mind. Considering I think they began 2006 at still only 10-12x, and ended 2007 at 20x, that's a pretty big jump w
62 PITops : Only becuase we've added so much, but it still doesn't balance out how many flights have been dropped from here. I don't think O&D is down. If it is,
63 Vega : Those numbers are very close to the reported DOT numbers and are Total Passengers en/deplaned, including both connecting and O&D. However, because of
64 PITops : Which should be pretty good O&D numbers for PIT.
65 Tornado82 : Right but the connection numbers in PIT are significantly higher year to year 2006 to 2007 (and will be even lower to non existant in 2008)... that's
66 Steeler83 : I am thinking that it's total traffic that is down because of the decrease in US pax, mostly because of the reduction in connecting traffic. I guess O
67 PITops : My thinking is... connection traffic is definately down. No real argument about that. O&D might be down as well simply because of the lack of destina
68 Steeler83 : Hopefully the meeting between WN and ACAA this week will be to discuss just that as well. Maybe we can see: BNA 2x BDL 3x PVD 3x MHT 3x STL 2x MCI 2x
69 Tornado82 : On second thought... there will probably be some connections on WN. Primarily stuff like PHL-MDW, PHL-LAS, when timings or fare buckets send people o
70 Super80DFW : I'm surprised to see that PIT doesn't receive any MD-80's from AA. I would think ORD-PIT would get one, and DFW-PIT would 3-4x! Your friends over at P
71 Tornado82 : AA pulled mainline from PIT to "bust the union" as far as getting rid of higher paid mainline employees and replacing them with all Eagle employees.
72 Super80DFW : I guess UA runs a 757 on DEN-PIT now and then don't they. So does US still run some flights out of PIT to other stations, not just hubs?
73 Tornado82 : Florida on mainliners, and some northeast/Mid Atlantic regional O&D flights to places like BDL and RDU on RJ's.
74 Steeler83 : Then in that case, I would like to see AA have at least one or two mainline flights on that route. IMO, rjs on a popular destination out of PIT don't
75 Tornado82 : I believe their full union busting effort has to last until late 08 or early 09 until they could bring back a maddog without getting all kinds of uni
76 N670UW : Speaking of the those flights, it looks like US is suspending PIT-LAX and PIT-SFO in early April. SFO appears to return around the 1st of May and LAX
77 Post contains images Steeler83 : Then it's time UA or someone else stepped in with more transcon service, especially if US actually does pull the plug on LAX and/or SFO. Those cities
78 Tornado82 : Virgin America... assuming they don't go belly up within a year.
79 Post contains images Steeler83 : Oh yeah, forgot about those guys -- I am forgetting a lot of things lately! Maybe it has to do with the fact that I am still UNEMPLOYED!!!
80 Post contains links and images Steeler83 : Here's another article in the Post Gazette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08042/856559-28.stm According to the article, an average of 325 people orig
81 PITops : Another reason for this was becuase of the high fees at PIT. Very true statement. Most would more then likely be thru service and not connecting serv
82 Steeler83 : The article also said that daily O&D to Europe was 325 each way. Maybe if this number increases significantly perhaps other carriers will show some i
83 Tornado82 : They cut that long before the fees went insanely high. PIT was never a "cheap" airport since the new terminals opened in the 90's, but when AA announ
84 PITops : So where could they bring mainline back to then? DFW? They would have heavy competition to Chicago with WN and UA.
85 Tornado82 : DFW was the only one with mainline at the end... so I assume that's all they'd do unless they did MIA too but I wouldn't hold my breath. They've long
86 Steeler83 : I think that DFW should support at least one mainline (MD88 or 738). Oddly, MIA doesn't have very high O&D I don't think to warrant any mainline flig
87 Steeler83 : The following was in yesterday's Pittsburgh Business Times: I wonder how far into the future this meeting is, and if it will, in fact, "seal the deal.
88 PITops : Who knows. I don't see much happening with it.
89 Post contains links PITops : Full traffic stats for December and all of 2007 now on flypittsburgh.com. Full story... http://www.flypittsburgh.com/NewsEventsServlet
90 Post contains images Steeler83 : " target=_blank>http://www.flypittsburgh.com/NewsEve...rvlet Airtran to almost double flights this spring? I wonder what that will mean. Is this in a
91 PITrules : "A total of 699,625 scheduled passengers were enplaned and deplaned at Pittsburgh International Airport in December 2007, which brings the yearly tota
92 N670UW : Well, they're only running 4 to ATL and one to MCO right now; with adding one each to FLL, RSW, and TPA, plus one additional to ATL and MCO will incr
93 Tooluther : There were still US cuts between December 06 and December 07
94 PITops : WN does want to add service. Local leaders had a meeting with the ACAA yesterday but I have yet to hear any news from the meeting. It was to disguss
95 Post contains links PITops : Government Waste at Pittsburgh International Full story tonight at 5pm on WTAE. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/station/302537/detail.html
96 PITrules : You beat me to it. This story should surprise no one however. I don't know why some people continue to defend the ACAA when their inefficiencies, was
97 Post contains images Steeler83 : Oh, I thought they had more service than that. I thought they had 5 flights to ATL and 2 to MCO to begin with, but I guess I am wrong... I think some
98 MasseyBrown : Maybe the ACAA needs to talk to Delta now. Whichever, I agree with the people who think PIT has a good shot at getting AMS.
99 Post contains links PITrules : Here's the full transcript and video: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/team4/15304939/detail.html "In 2007, the Airport Authority gave its CEO a $
100 PITops : What I've been saying for months is true. It's a shame that the airport is in the state it is. When the fees were originally raised, I thought they sh
101 Post contains links PITrules : Pittsburgh needs to get over the fact they have been de-hubbed, and needs to stop living in the past: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08048/857841-109.
102 Post contains images Steeler83 : Someone at SEPTA said that Pittbsburgh bus drivers have the highest pay -- at least as far as PA is concerned. Needless to say, I was rather stunned
103 Post contains images PITIngres : I guess I'm skeptical. Phase 3 of that study had a fair amount of "magic happens here", where they somehow manage to close a bunch of terminals and m
104 PITops : " target=_blank>http://www.airport-technology.com/pr....html Wow. If that would ever happen it would be great for PHL. Maybe all the ground delays wo
105 Steeler83 : I would also love for them to add more flights. Where they would go is also my question. Well, these new taxes are not helping anything. They're maki
106 PITrules : From the previous PIT thread: "JetBlue top brass will be in town Feb 7 for an internal employee meeting. Hopefully the news will be good." I got the s
107 Steeler83 : It's good to know that they will remain committed to their existing service in PIT.
108 PITops : Yeah I talked to a B6 employee today and he basically told me the same thing. He also said jokingly that if they decided to add flights, the public w
109 Tooluther : Bummer about the IAD service though. I guess WN picked up most of the leisure routes that Independence was pulling on that route. The biz traffic is p
110 Steeler83 : OR UA Express to IAD, although I believe that most of this is connecting, given the overall distance from IAD to DC. Then again, I think there is som
111 Tornado82 : IAD is far to DC proper, yes. But there is a plethora of business in the IAD area that is more convenient to IAD than DCA. Northern VA is quite the b
112 Steeler83 : Thanks, I was unaware of the development of N. VA. It's also good to see UA add capacity on their existing UA flights.
113 PITops : A little off the topic... who owns the Pan Am 727 that I've seen twice now at PIT? I've seen it taking off both times in early afternoon. Any ideas?
114 AndyinPIT : I was wondering that too. Everytime I've seen them, I've also seen the prison transport buses sitting along the side of the road heading up to Cargo
115 AndyinPIT : Yeah but we've been sticking them on the wrong flights. Today as a prime example: Our 2:45 flight to IAD, a -200, was oversold by 4, and we held off
116 Post contains images Steeler83 : Well, I have to say that this is fleet planning at its best! Is this a downgrade or an added frequency? Forgive me, I have not seen the lates schedul
117 N670UW : It's an added frequency, running alongside a 757 and a 737-500, for now. I believe it ran last summer, as well.
118 PITops : No idea. Nothing shows up in flightaware either. I'll ask around the airport and see if anyone knows.
119 AndyinPIT : Correct. And this flight will run all summer too. And I think starting again in May we're back to at least a 757 on our 430pm ORD flight, and I belie
120 Steeler83 : So this will be 2 757s, a 735, and a CR7 all going to DEN then? Impressive...
121 Tornado82 : CRJ's changing to ERJ's is always a good thing IMHO.
122 Post contains images AndyinPIT : I should have been more clear on this. The 2nd 757 replaces the 735 in the afternoon...sorry
123 Post contains images AndyinPIT : Anything changing from Mesa is good in my eyes
124 PITrules : FedEx seems to be helping the cause, with up to 5 widebodies making a stop on certain days of the week. Arrivals: Newark, NJ Federal Express 1971 04:3
125 Post contains images Steeler83 : Ah, well at least I was half-right. So that's 2 757s to DEN and the CR7, scha-weet I guess I picked a fine time to move out east... I am sure all tho
126 PITops : Do they have plans on adding more flights or is this just a one time thing? I bet they do look SMASHING!
127 PITops : Heard today that US is going down to 22 TOTAL flights. Is that true?
128 Tornado82 : They have 16 in Dayton and that's with no "US-West" presence at all... They have 26 in CMH which is still a smaller overall city... 22 in PIT sure se
129 Steeler83 : That would certainly make PIT the biggest spoke airport. Even now I kinda consider PIT to be nothing more than just one large spoke...
130 Tornado82 : No, that's my point. 22 flights would make PIT only a medium spoke. Sliding in between DAY and CMH in the US hierarchy. MDT is probably in the mid-te
131 Post contains images Steeler83 : Oh, I wasn't speaking just in terms of US, but pretty much the entire airport. It has close to 10 million annual pax and would not even be considered
132 Pgh234 : Are you sure this isn't going to be 22 daily US mainline flights? That seems much more feasible than 22 total. -pgh234
133 Steeler83 : That's what US has now. 22 mainline flights. That leaves 46 commuter flights on PSA, Republic, and the like...
134 PITops : Read my post... going to 22 TOTAL flights. That includes express which I heard will be no longer at PIT.[Edited 2008-02-23 12:41:44]
135 Steeler83 : I wonder if anyone would be able to confirm that. I guess as of right now it's only a rumor...
136 PITops : I heard it from quite a few people at the airport. I'm going to try and investigate it more tomorrow.
137 Steeler83 : Well... I guess if this is in fact true, I guess it becomes a wide-open field for another airline, or airlines, to really expand service. A further r
138 PITops : I don't think they ever wanted to keep PIT a focus city. I think their general plan is to just be a "normal" airline at PIT. If these cuts are true,
139 Pgh234 : Umm, PHL and CLT have their huge networks at the expense of PIT. PIT was a great choice for them to have as their hub and it made them tons of money
140 PITops : I'm not going to argue with you at all. We do have the BEST airport. Our location is still great but we do lack the population that PHL has and that
141 Post contains links and images Steeler83 : Heck, I won't argue that one at all, for reasons already discussed. Ha ha! Pittsburgh sure isn't growing -- at least not yet I still think there are
142 Humberside : What are US's current flights at PIT, incuding Express, by destination?
143 N670UW : Right now, on an average weekday... BDL - 3x ERJ BOS - 2x CRJ, 1x E-170, 3x E-175 CLT - 3x A319, 1x A321, 1x 733, 1x 734, 1x CRJ-900, 1x E-175 DCA -
144 Pgh234 : Wow, I didn't realize that PIT-LAS took such a huge hit recently too. From 2x 757, to 2x 320, to 1x 319 in the matter of a few months. 1x 319, in the
145 Steeler83 : You think that's pathetic? How about these? These get just one measily A319 each??? What the @&#^%?!! I remember when US ran a 757 between PIT and MC
146 PITops : How so? They went down to 68 as of January 8th. Got the scoop today. March 1st, US is going down to 44 TOTAL flights. 20 will be mainline.
147 PITrules : That's very pathetic service, but I predict these will be gone soon. However, either WN, FL, DL, or UA would pick up service to SoCal and the Bay are
148 Steeler83 : Is that even still a focus city? Are more destinations being lost? Well, I wonder who will add more service, and when. PIT is a WIIDE open market. It
149 N670UW : I think that number didn't include the Air Midwest EAS service to places like DUJ, FKL, and LWB that were supposed to be ended, but haven't ended yet
150 N670UW : One other note on the second LAS frequency, it's kind of an on-and-off thing right now. It's running about 4 times a week, and it looks like they mix
151 Tornado82 : Start dropping the remaining prop runs and you get somewhere toward that ballpark. As for dropping the stuff like BDL, RDU, etc... if US (and their a
152 Steeler83 : I am not too sure about WN or FL tho. They don't seem to want to add any transcon flights, at least WN doesn't (FL I believe added BWI-LAX...) I thin
153 PITrules : As you mentioned, FL added BWI-LAX. Besides, I'm not sure if PIT is considered "transcon", but that's arguing over semantics. WN has dropped some tra
154 PITops : I don't know what they call it now. I wouldn't see that as a focus city. More like 100 flights maybe. I am still suprised they are still building the
155 Post contains images Tornado82 : And cause 100 (or so, unsure of the exact numbers) long-time Pittsburghers to lose their current job in the process? All in the name of vindictivenes
156 PITops : But why give them something after they've let 10,000 or so people lose their jobs. What is 100 more when they've already cut so many. And why would U
157 Tornado82 : Why does an SOC have to be near a hub? It's not like guys walk out of the SOC and go turn a wrench on the A319, then go back to their computer. In th
158 Post contains images Steeler83 : I really don't think it should be. I figure it's about the same length as PHL or JFK-LAS. How far is LAX from LAS? I can't imagine it being very far.
159 Tornado82 : Northwest (mainline) at IND I believe. Is it still (At least as of right now) a focusing point of flights to a handful of non-hubbed cities? EWR, PVD
160 Steeler83 : Oh yeah, duh... Eh you have a point there, and I guess they're also bigger than FL at BWI. I believe FL serves 19 cities from BWI, while US still has
161 PITops : I usually get annoyed too. They are trying to bring service back but it wasn't seen till about 2 weeks ago when they announced they were going to low
162 Steeler83 : I also think that PIT being a multi-focus city to a lesser extent of BOS would work. Call me crazy, but I think a UA focus city would complement both
163 PITops : I think this could be reasonable especially if WN expands like we'd like to. What would FL do with their ops at CAK? Could they support 2 focus citie
164 Post contains images Steeler83 : I don't think CAK is that much larger than PIT right now. They now have 3 more destinations and only 7 more flights right now IIRC. FL I think has 17
165 PITops : They did back in 2000 or so but then pulled away from that because fees were too high for them at the time. I know they expressed interest in adding
166 Steeler83 : I thought this was also due to US killing them on key routes (LGA, PHL and MDW/ORD). I wonder if they still feel that way, and if they'll add anythin
167 PITops : I'm sure they could've competed if their fares were better. Fees were the main reason I heard. Does anyone know how fees will be March 1st as compare
168 Post contains images Steeler83 : I think they'll still be a little more expensive than back in 2000, but not by too much I don't think. I think somewh Heh, I thought it was because o
169 PITIngres : I flew FL several times back in 2000. US was matching their fares to within about $20 for similar times. E.g. PIT-LGA was (I think) $80 on FL and $95
170 Steeler83 : Those fares are certainly far more reasonable than what US was ripping -- I mean, charging the pax, but I guess lower start-up fares and the gate sit
171 Tornado82 : It was. Back in the 2000 time frame Pittsburgh travelers knew one airline code: US. US was king, all the others were also-rans. There was no way with
172 PITops : Maybe FL would be interested in bringing some flights here then. Where is their next closest hub or focus city?
173 Tornado82 : The closest FL operation that resembles anything like a hub/FC would be BWI. But even that is primarily O&D based and not like their ATL connecting h
174 PITops : Our economy is better in PIT then the national average?
175 Post contains images Steeler83 : I don't think anyone is just going to come in and decide to build a base overnight either. Focus cities and hubs take time to build. How long has CO
176 PITops : That's why I'm questioning it.
177 Steeler83 : Eh, I guess that just shows we're on the same wavelength.
178 PITops : When was the last census done?
179 Steeler83 : There were 2006 estimates done for the major metropolitan areas, and Pittsburgh's urban population was estimated at roughly 312,000, with a metro pop
180 Post contains images Tornado82 : I'll take misinterpretation for $1000 Alex. Compared to most of the nation, or even other places in the general radius, Pittsburgh is FAR better suit
181 Post contains images Steeler83 : Oh yeah, that DOES make sense! I have read tons of articles in the PG and Trib about the housing market, and how pretty much the rest of the nation i
182 Tornado82 : I was doing GIS for a pipeline company when in ABE... that's the most boring crap you'll ever do in your life. Don't plan on becoming a "lifer" becau
183 Post contains images Steeler83 : Thanks for the tip! That is my intent (to get my foot in the door). I also plan on attending grad school (I am actually registered for classes at WCU
184 PITops : I'll take dooshbag for $200 Alex. You can word things a little better. Like for instance... HEY LUKE, YOU AN IDIOT! Sound better? Yeah housing rates
185 Post contains images N670UW : The US Airways cuts are going to have to level off -- that's the bottom line. It doesn't matter what any other carrier does, whether it's Southwest o
186 Post contains images Steeler83 : I'm assuming that should happen this year. What else is there to cut after this? Although I think the EAS stuff is kinda pointless, such as DuBois, F
187 PITops : Going down to 44 flights the beginning of March. Still 20 mainline though so numbers won't be too much different.
188 Tooluther : Well there's your problem. Do you know how many planners with MCRP's graduate every year, and are immediately lined up to become certified? Grad scho
189 Tooluther : That's a great response to a well written post by Tornado. What taxes has Luke raised? or right, none because the state controls the city's taxing au
190 Post contains images Steeler83 : Ok, so that's just below my estimated range. I think that should just about do it for US. I imagine that whatever service is completely removed, I wi
191 PITops : It did say SFO was coming back in April or May but I don't remember anything about LAX. And I applogize to Tornado. I'll stick to the airport side of
192 Post contains images Steeler83 : Even with or without US service, those markets are severely underserved. Hopefully once the economy improves. hahaha! Eh it's all good I'm sure
193 PITrules : There's the new drink tax in Allegheny County too. Also, (keeping with an aviation theme), even though the ACAA buckled under pressure about the huge
194 PITops : The Dan Onorato tax!! HAHA At least the fees are going in the right direction and airlines are now considering adding more flights, which is a step i
195 Post contains images Steeler83 : Yeah, amen to that! This should be an interesting year for PIT. Hopefully US will level off with 44 flights. I wonder what airlines are adding and wh
196 PITops : Just a little FYI for those wondering... the big meeting with the ACAA and WN has been postponed to March 12th. This is a good thing though because mo
197 Post contains images Steeler83 : This will be a long 9 days to wait!
198 Post contains links PITrules : AirTran and JetBlue unlikely to add flights this year: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribunereview/search/s_556140.html I really wish the propaganda
199 USPIT10L : Why should I say anything? Boyd just said it succinctly and clearly. I'll have whatever the ACAA is smoking, because it's some pretty good $h!t. Unfo
200 Post contains images Steeler83 : Eh, at this point, I could care less if US were to just drop on out of PIT all together. I think I can agree with this. They're already the biggest a
201 Post contains links PITrules : The latest feel good PR spin propaganda has come out from the ACAA in the form of this report: http://www.flypittsburgh.com/NewsEventsServlet (3/12/08
202 Post contains links and images Steeler83 : Hey all! Here is the latest from flypittsburgh.com http://www.pitairport.com/NewsEventsServlet DId I just read at the very bottom that US will ADD ser
203 PITops : US adding those 2 flights won't help too much. They will probably cut more flights when they do add those two. As someone stated, I see them treating
204 Steeler83 : Well, it's better than nothing. You have to admit. Personally, I'd like to see 2 757s on these routes -- by anyone Someone needs to do something here
205 PITrules : Air Canada as well, a 56% increase while decreasing capacity at the same time (although I think it will soon go back to 3x daily).
206 PITops : They go back and forth I think depending on where they need the 757 the most. What's causing FL not to add flights now? Fees are going back down. Is
207 N670UW : Actually, that third DEN flight goes to mainline in early May -- 2 737's and a 319 -- I wouldn't be surprised to see it stick around into the summer
208 Steeler83 : I think it is the fuel costs and this utterly crappy economy in general. I remember reading in a PG or Trib article about that. In fact, I think it's
209 PITrules : Link is in reply #198. Fees at PIT are about 15% higher than a year ago, even after the ACAA fee debacle of a few months ago; it is a very expensive
210 PITops : I think the ramp fees are the only thing lower. Our station manager said that the fees are at 2003 levels which is lower then when WN first started a
211 Steeler83 : Well, things at WN should be looking very interesting over the course of this year... Is UA still interested in moving into the A concourse across fr
212 Tornado82 : O&D passengers are what matters in terms of strength of the market, the 11 million lost were just statistics and did nothing to prove the strength of
213 PITrules : I agree, but my point is the ACAA should put it in the proper context, instead of giving the impression the airport is overall busier. The original q
214 PITops : I haven't heard anymore about them moving. Everything is quiet right now. I do know that on Landside, there is some construction going on on both dep
215 Tornado82 : But you can't blame ACAA for that in entirety. The realities of the industry dictate that hubs heavily based on connections and not O&D aren't profit
216 Post contains images Steeler83 : True that. I do like Doug Parker tho as a CEO; at least US is making profits again (tho they probably will be marginal at best), but there are other
217 PITops : Has to be. It's weirdly quiet. Still no word on the meeting.
218 Post contains links PITops : As of Wednesday morning, Gates A1 and A3 are closed for remodeling. A temporary wall has been out up and all operations have moved to A7 and A9 with a
219 RSBJ : Hey Luke, I thought there was a chance we were going to announce changes to PIT yesterday. Obviously nothing happened. Heard anything on when we may g
220 Post contains images Tornado82 : CO has NO RJ's on order, and are actually trying to shed RJ's. They do have 739ER's, 787's, 772's, and 738's on order. They are also ordering Q400's
221 PITops : I'm glad you get to see them. We don't here in PIT. So this was exciting. Just like LAX sees tons of 747s a day. If we get them, we are drooling. Ann
222 RSBJ : An announcement about adding flights in the Fall, at least according to a few Ops agents. We'll just have to be patient I guess.
223 PITops : I know they had the meeting but as far as I know no more flights have been slated to be added. I will try and find out though.
224 Tornado82 : Calm down, I thought the smiley would show the joke. Frankly you can have 'em, they'll wake ya up quite early in the morning sometimes. Those whistly
225 PITops : I love the sound of those engines. So scary. And yeah we did have Air Force One yesterday but I was off. Didn't get to see it. Didn't even know he wa
226 Post contains images Steeler83 : Oh, well at least I was right about the Q4s and the other equipment tho That shrub caused me to be over an hour late while departing PHL for PIT last
227 Ktrick45 : The one in question did wake me up: I work nights. I had to look out the window to see what it was. Pretty identifiable even on first glance.
228 Tornado82 : Try living a couple miles away from Wright Patt.
229 PITops : Latest rumor... the employee lot will be moved to where the E gates are. Terminal will be torn down and used for the new employee parking lot. Seems l
230 Tooluther : Seams like it'd be tough to get traffic (even employees) up there
231 Steeler83 : I concur. That is a good idea. The only way that commuter terminal would make sense would be if another airline were to hub there again, which will n
232 AndyinPIT : I'd be alright with that, kinda wondering how they would get us up there, but why not! PS...a lot of great missed approaches today because of those na
233 PITops : They could take us to the commercial curb for departing flights and somehow loop us up that way since that road is closed. Then we could exit the sam
234 MasseyBrown : The profitability of flow traffic has been slowly changing since WN began going along with a series of fare increases over the past two years or so;
235 PITrules : There already is a road that goes from the commercial road up to the north side of the E ramp area.
236 MasseyBrown : Different topic: What is the status of the PIT-downtown-Greensburg Maglev project?
237 PITops : Dead? But that is mainly used by the ACAA for whatever reason. They could somehow make another ramp up to the E ramp areas instead of having us make
238 MasseyBrown : It's still shown as an active project on the site of the German manufacturer. just curious.
239 PITops : Haven't heard anything forever. But we know the work ethic for transportation projects in the area is fantastic.
240 Pgh234 : Speaking of maglevs/LRT/whatever...that commercial departures ramp is the perfect place for a nice, cheap, and convenient mass-transit station. Howeve
241 PITrules : JetBlue will once again reduce service, but on a temporary basis. Reasons are high fuel prices and weak bookings on these flights. PIT is not the only
242 Steeler83 : Thanks for the update. It really doesn't surprise me that B6 would do that. They're trying to make money and keep their commitment to PIT.
243 PITops : That sucks though but nothing else they can do right now. Fuel is getting rediculous. Also... Moon- Clinton road that goes under the landing lights f
244 A330323X : US at LAS, for starters. They have no pilot base there, and only a handful of flight attendants all on reserve.
245 Steeler83 : I didn't realize they didn't have a crew base there either. They are really slimming down out there as well, aren't they? Oh, and pardon my arrogance
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