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Flyniki Shells Belgrade Project..  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

..after Belgrade authorities threatened not to allow the flights to go along..
The Air Berlin partner Flyniki anticipated to fly to Belgrade from Vienna starting march 2008.
It seems in an "effort" to protect JAT,politicians revoked the traffic rights for Flyniki ,who now have cancelled the flights.
If Serbian politicians want to continue the countries relative isolation ,they just should continue to protect an airline that is basically clinically dead..
By refusing competition to fly into Serbia,the dynamics of aviation will inevitably stall on Belgadre...


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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4542 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
By refusing competition to fly into Serbia,the dynamics of aviation will inevitably stall on Belgadre...

Unfortunately, the same story happens again and again and again. I'm really sorry to hear that.



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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 514 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

real shame, the coruption in JAT and the government is disgusting. It really hurts Belgrade not having the competition that neighbouring cities have. I mean Bucharest's aviation is booming! And Belgrade's aviation scene has not had any nice news in years  Sad

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

In theory there is no reason why Serbia would not deserve more direct flights,wouldn't it be for stupid political reasons.
The country has not yet managed to fully implement democratic rules in the economic sector and will suffer as long as unilateral protections are maintained.
I bet many Serbian companies who would appreciate an opening and relaxation of visa-rules would be the first ones to jump on the train of change...



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4348 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
It seems in an "effort" to protect JAT,politicians revoked the traffic rights for Flyniki ,who now have cancelled the flights.

Really? I haven't seen any reports in the local press. Any links?

Serbian media will be all over this one if true, JU's final "kicks"... what goes around...  yuck 



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

Oh and Beaucaire... don't scare me like this please.... its "shelves", not "shells"... had enough of those in 1999! Big grin


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

The news was found on a special "Air Berlin" Forum in Germany,where company insiders discuss news related to new air-route openings and other interna of Air Berlin or Flyniki.
The destination Belgrade has disappeared from the bookings-masks of Flyniki anyhow...
sorry-can't change the title-the edit botton is gone..

[Edited 2008-02-03 08:08:31]


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

With Boris Tadica being elected,I send my best regards to all those who hope for a more open Serbia !
Well done - welcome in Europe!



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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 514 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4150 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):
Well done - welcome in Europe!

Serbia has been quite happy with its place in Europe for more than 1,000years..lets hope Europe can find its place with Serbia! Well done Boris, lets hope he allows Ryanair in!  Smile


User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Serbia has signed the Open Skies and is due to implement it until the end of this year, if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, whatever restrictions the Govt imposes now will not be valid forever.

Seeing there was interest from FlyNiki (and another carrier from Germany) to start services to BEG, seems to imply there is increased demand. I feel we're in for much more interesting spotting at BEG - if not this year, then the next.



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4041 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 9):
Seeing there was interest from FlyNiki (and another carrier from Germany) to start services to BEG, seems to imply there is increased demand. I feel we're in for much more interesting spotting at BEG - if not this year, then the next.

Increasing? Its increased already! Big grin

I barely managed to get on an LH flight from BEG to FRA in December. What was supposed to have been a 733 flight ended being upgraded to an AB6, both ways, completely full.



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4038 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5):
had enough of those in 1999! 

 rotfl 

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):
With Boris Tadica being elected,I send my best regards to all those who hope for a more open Serbia !
Well done - welcome in Europe!

Not a big deal  Wink Tadic gave them a good punch once again Big grin This one will hurt badly, but Radicals wanted it



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User currently offlineTowerEye From Serbia, joined Jun 2005, 64 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Unfortunately, Mr. Tadić is pushing this country into transparent isolation. Preventing own citizens to travel for a reasonable fare, while giving them illusions of freedom is very dangerous, yet already seen game.
Помилуй Господи нас грешных и спаси...



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3757 times:



Quoting TowerEye (Reply 12):
Unfortunately, Mr. Tadić is pushing this country into transparent isolation.

You mean Mr Kostunica?  confused 

Anyway, according to B92, JU and OS are the reason why Flyniki was denied landing rights in BEG.

According to his idiotic majesty, V. Ilic, these two carriers are the ones who should agree for Flyniki to enter the market, but until they do, Serbia will only grant rights for VIE-INI sectors.

Niki Lauda is quite angry about the whole situation and says he will not give up until he sees his planes in BEG.

More here: http://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija....yyy=2008&mm=02&dd=07&nav_id=283960



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

Anyone know what the top 5 O&D markets in terms of pax numbers from BEG are?

[Edited 2008-02-07 06:16:53]


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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3722 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 13):
According to his idiotic majesty

Enough said....hopefully, he won't be long at that position.  pray 

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 13):
Niki Lauda is quite angry

mozda ga zgazi  devil 

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Anyone know what the top 5 O&D markets in terms of pax numbers from BEG are?

Hi James! I haven't seen you in quite some time  Smile

Well, my guess is ZRH, MUC, FRA, VIE, MXP, but I would love to see something official. I guess SVO, LHR, CDG are doing well too. DXB has high load factors, but there is a problem with equipment there. JAT is one of the rare European carriers to use 737 on that route and EK is still not flying here  crying 



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3716 times:



Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 15):
ZRH, MUC, FRA, VIE, MXP

Surely those would be more based on connections? Or do you reckon there are pretty large Serbian populations in those cities?

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 15):
I haven't seen you in quite some time

Likewise!



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3687 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 16):
Surely those would be more based on connections? Or do you reckon there are pretty large Serbian populations in those cities?

In fact, both. Germany and Austria have large Serbian population. Even at the time when there were long-haul flights from Belgrade in 1980s and 1990s, flights to Germany and Austria were quite full. There is also a a lot of passengers connecting to long-haul flights from there. MXP is doing well in attracting transfer passengers and they often have good deals.



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3650 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Anyone know what the top 5 O&D markets in terms of pax numbers from BEG are?

ZRH i s No.1, thereafter, in no particular order: VIE, FRA, MUC, CDG, LHR, SVO.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 15):
DXB has high load factors, but there is a problem with equipment there.

Right destination with a wrong aircraft and terrible timetable. DXB is a good performing route but JU simply don't care to "nurture" it. We'll have to wait for EK - one day  pray 

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 15):
mozda ga zgazi devil

Nismo mi te srece  Sad



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3645 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 18):
ZRH i s No.1, thereafter, in no particular order: VIE, FRA, MUC, CDG, LHR, SVO.

What's your source?



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3635 times:

Older info from MIDT


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

As a poster on the Air Berlin forum indicates,the trafic-rights for Flyniki between Belgrade and Berlin have been revoked-so there will be defenitely not be any flights any time soon on Flyniki to Serbia...


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 3411 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 21):
between Belgrade and Berlin

Berlin? You mean Vienna, no?



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 3395 times:

Sorry-of course I meant Vienna..


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