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User currently offlineEWR Spotter From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 63 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

On certain days, the aircraft approaching EWR use runway 29 to land due to strong winds (I believe). They pass right over my house. I just wanted to know if anyone (passenger or pilot) has ever flown this approach? How is it? What can you see? Do you prefer the 4, 22, or 11 approach over the 29? Pilots- About how low are you flying? From where I live I would say the plane lands about one minute or so after passing over me. Thanx.

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User currently offlineDonC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

I have flown this approach a few times as a passenger. I remember coming in from the north from Boston, approaching over Teterboro and the Meadowlands, as if going to land on 22, but slightly higher. A steep left turn is made just south of airport, fly east over Bayonne and quick left to Jersey City, then short, low final over Newark Bay to 29. That's all I know about it.

User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

I landed on 29 lat year on an AA A300 after we had executed two missed approaches due to strong crosswinds (30 knots). We had come up from San Juan and had encountered rough turbulence for about half of the ride. That, along with the two missed approaches made for a tense ride. The approach seemed to be a standard approach to 11 left until we went into a hard left turn and then a real hard right to come back into 29. We slammed down hard as the pilots fought the swirling winds. We used the entire length to stop. It wouldn't have been as bad if the entire flight hadn't been a nail biter. After we stopped, someone yelled out "And now for the dangerous part, we get to go home on the Jersey Turnpike!" It broke the crowd up. How often do you see 29 being used?

User currently offlineLaxewrman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

As a passenger, back in 1997 on a UA DC-10 evening flight from O'hare. 22L was closed that week for repaving. We approached from the north, presumably following the 22L localiser, then the plane broke off to the left somewhere over Kearny to perform a circle to land maneuver for 29. With a right side window view, I thought the plane was performing a go-around when we turned away from the runway but instead we continued to descend lower towards Newark Bay, with the lights of smokestacks and the Pulaski skyway below us. Then I realized we were landing on 29 as the we banked to the right back towards the airfield and aligned with the runway. Very interesting night visual approach, especialy on the dc10!

User currently offlineEWR Spotter From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

On average I usually see 29 being used every day mainly for props (Continental Express) coming in. I would say that about 5 days (majority of the day) a month I see (More like hear and feel, but I have no objection to that because I love planes.) all sorts of jets using 29 for landing. That is usually due to wind or other reasons at the airport. The best one's are at night. At first all you can see are red and green wing lights and the gear lights. As it gets closer you can see the side and tail lit up and reflections off the houses of the red and green lights blinking. And off into the dark it goes to EWR.

User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Back in November 2000 when I flew to EWR from IAD on United Express/ACA, we landed on RWY 29. WE were in the Jetstream 41. I was hoping to land on RWY 4R so I can see the traffic flow on I-95. But on approach to 29 was wild. The plane kept on turning and turning til we were on short final (about 5 miles out) I had an awesome view of NYC on approach to 29...then last left turn bank was great and lading over the turnpike was amazingly low. It seems like the tires barely knicked a 18-wheeler semi truck. Big grin Imagine landing on 29 in a jet....WOW!!!!!!

K. Cook/DCA


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16796 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

I landed on 29 in the late Eighties coming back from Orlando on a Eastern 727,very rough flight and a very rough landing.

They finished repaving 29 and putting new instruments on it so more larger aircraft can use it in the future.Believe or not the reason more large aircarft are not using 11-29 is because the Ramada hotel on the West end of the runway put these decorative ornaments on their roof which is in the FAA's safe zone.Its rediculous because its obvious no plane is going to hit them they're about three or four feet taller than the hotels roof.

However the FAA says they have to come down,but until then aircraft like 757s and 737s flying over it have to reduce their weight to make sure they clear it.The hotel owner is not happy with the prospect of taking down the ornaments to allow larger aircraft fly over his hotel,he's negotiating with the PA looking for a large settlement,The PA will pay him a fair price and if they have too condem the airrights over his hotel and bring down the Ornaments themselves.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Ah, yes. ATC tries its damndest to limit traffic on 11/29 to MD-80s at the largest, but I have seen just about every type of aircraft in our fleet land on that, save the 747. I have a pretty good story of that, from back in 1995.

We had just received our 757s from Boeing, and we were operating a full load from LAX. We were a bit overfueled at LAX, but more is never a problem. 22L was going to be a breeze even with a few hundred more pounds around the waist. We were right behind a DL L1011 (yes, Delta used to fly those to EWR) for most of the approach, but we were a ways behind it since the it wasn't a very busy time of day. The DL encountered some heavy gusts from the ENE. We were now on final, passing over Giants Stadium, the Brendan Byrne Arena (then, now the CO Arena), and the racetrack, making our way along the Turnpike to the Pulaski Skyway. Once we were over the Skyway, just about on top of a movie theater and some abandoned factories, we were hit with a huge gust from the ENE. I fought to keep the jet lined up, but it wasn't going to help. I radioed in for instructions, and suggested a change to rwy 29. They gave me permission, and I turned the big jet on course to intercept the outer beacon of 29. I hit the mark and then lined her up. The plane turned on a dime. I made some final corrections to our heading but we had basically nailed it. The rest of the flight was pretty uneventful, and though the story doesn't sound like a nail-biter, it was.


User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Is the standard approach to 29 to fly the 22 localizer to a certain DME, and then execute a hard 60 degree left and then an even harder 150 degree right to final? Like Laxewrman mentioned in his post, it almost seems like you going through a missed approach for traffic, and then you start that really hard right, all the time you are still loosing altitude. If you're not prepared for it, it'll take your breath away. Then, once you touch down comes a REALLLLLY short stop with brakes and reversers put to the test, especially if your in a heavy. It's a real ride that must be as close to the old Hong Kong approach as you can get, expecially since it is only used when the winds are up strong from the west.

User currently offlineCoboeing777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

Has anyone ever seen the big jets landing from the opposite direction of 29, on 11? I've only seen it once. If I remember correct it was during the summer time right after a pretty bad thunderstorm. It was during the afternoon around 1-2pm, which is when all the international arrivals from Europe start coming in. I saw at least 4 Continental 777's land on that runway. It was definitely strange to see those landing from that direction. I did a double take then the saw the 777 landing.Sure wish I was driving by on route 1 & 9 when they were coming in so I could have had it fly right over me at less than a 100 feet. Would have been cool. So, anyone else see landings on 11??

COboeing777


User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Wow, Can widebodies land on RWY 11/29?

According to my reference chart, that RWY is only 6800 X 150ft. I bet those pilots love doing short field landings and takeoffs..hehe.

I've seen a 757 land on 29 when I was there in November. Quite an amazing landing.

K. Cook/DCA


User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Found a fairly recent picture on the board of a heavy landing on EWR 29. As you can see, it usually happens in windy situations and makes for a pretty interesting ride.


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Photo © Guido Latz



User currently offlineCoboeing777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Gocaps16,

Apparantly they can. I never knew it until I saw it with my own 2 eyes. What was even weirder was the fact that it came in on 11. I NEVER saw anything larger an ATR-72 land on that one. Lots of planes land on 29 when the winds are high though. Mostly 737's and MD80's but you will see the occasional 757 and 767 too. Another rare event is large jets taking off on 11/29. Once I saw a DC-10 take off from 11 and once when I was flying to Las vegas on a 757 we took off on 29. So, guess its just long enough to allow those planes to take off too.

COboeing777


User currently offlineMit From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Most planes can land on runways much shorter than they can take off on. Think about the maximum deceleration you've experienced on landing compared to the max acceleration on takeoff. Especially at low landing weights, this makes landing distance much shorter than takeoff.

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