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No Window Shades On Ryanair: Fact Or Myth?!  
User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12828 times:

On several occasions in threads on this site and others alike, I have read that Ryanair is so desperate to save money that they don't even put window shades in their aircraft anymore. I've done a search but found nothing thorough on the subject.

I've recently taken 8 FR flights on mostly different aircraft, some a few months old and according to the latest specs, some a bit older (none with eye-browse windows though) but still all had window shades!

So I'm asking if this is a myth or if this is supported by fact and I wish for evidence in the form of a picture depicting it. I have to say I was glad to find them on all flights because the Sun really can be a problem from time to time.


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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5044 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12832 times:

At one point, Ryanair did say they would start taking their new 738s without window shades, to save weight and cost, but I believe it never actually happened.

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12743 times:



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 1):
At one point, Ryanair did say they would start taking their new 738s without window shades, to save weight and cost, but I believe it never actually happened.

Well to be honest with you Ryanair deserve all that they have coming to them... I was personally very happy to hear today that their profits for the last year will be halved.. They are blaming it on fuel costs but i think the flying public have also started to have enough of Ryanair..



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5044 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12671 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2):
I was personally very happy to hear today that their profits for the last year will be halved..

You're happy to see an airline's profits drop??  Wow!

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2):
i think the flying public have also started to have enough of Ryanair..

Yes, that explains why more passengers flew them than ever before. Oh wait...


User currently offlineSTNDEICER From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12515 times:

its a myth. All Ryanair A/C coming through STN including newly delivered ones have window shades.

Eye-brow windows are being filled in on older A/C as they cost money to maintain and are not really necessary. If you look in cockpits of most 737's with eye-brow windows, most are covered up with paperwork.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12489 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2):
but i think the flying public have also started to have enough of Ryanair..

Nope. Far from it in fact.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2):
Well to be honest with you Ryanair deserve all that they have coming to them

Not sure I agree with you - much as I dislike MO'L as a person, he (and FR) arent here to make friends and if you dont like them then fly someone else. You have to respect him for his near-religious application of a LoCo strategy and his very, very successful business model. You dont have to like them - they are a bus service taking you from X to Z. You dont have a like or a dislike for a bus company do you? Well then FR are the same. If you want to be treated like a guest and to retain your own personal view of the romance of flying, then fly BA or someone like that.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2):
I was personally very happy to hear today that their profits for the last year will be halved..

You're happy to see an airline's profits drop??

Yeah - not very nice, but understandable I suppose.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12329 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2):
Well to be honest with you Ryanair deserve all that they have coming to them... I was personally very happy to hear today that their profits for the last year will be halved..

Hmm! would it be too much to ask that you actually check clearly stated facts before posting nonsense? Their 2007 profits were down 27% and which is clearly way below your "halved"

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2):
They are blaming it on fuel costs but i think the flying public have also started to have enough of Ryanair..

You do seem to have an active imagination.....traffic increased 21% to 12.4 million pax, while revenue increased by 16%.
So, like it or not, it seems 12.4 million people disagree with your thoughts


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12286 times:

absoulte myth. Ive never seen an FR aircraft without them, even on aircraft delivered in 2007, which I flew on from DUB to MAN, on occasion.

Yes FR have dropped profits, but this is very much in line with what BA are seeing. Strong premium demand, weak Y demand. FR only have the Y cabin to rely on, can not strip out any more cost, must depend on ancillary revenue, which most people will not realise will bring the cost of tickets up to the "alliance carriers". Still, people will only regard the 0.01p/c and not bother too much about the rest.

FR are nasty, but hey, they are cheap too! Good value for Ireland-UK flights on fares less than £40 rtn, anymore than that I'd be looking elsewhere.

Brian.



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4353 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12288 times:

I think MOL said he suggested to have the new 737-800s without window shades but then his accountants told him that would lower the value of their fleet more then it would save in costs. Imagine if buyers of 2nd hand ex Ryanair 737s like Varig prefer window shades, it would cost them much more to retrofit them then the whole original saving by Ryanair.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12280 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):

Hmm! would it be too much to ask that you actually check clearly stated facts before posting nonsense? Their 2007 profits were down 27%

You sure about that one? I think you'll find that 27% figure refers to a drop in profits only in the last quarter of 2007. Further, that quarterly drop was reported as being the first in over a year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7225681.stm
Maybe you should check too.



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12205 times:

Interestingly, a quick straw poll across a number of airlines (Easyjet, UA, DL & WN) suggests that their shares have been as badly hit by Ryanair's news as Ryanair's shares.

My conclusion is that Wall Street and the City believe that this is an industry problem rather than a Ryanair problem - and I would tend to agree.

For the Ryanair detractors and haters, the bad news is that Ryanair (along with BA and Easyjet) are probably a lot better set up to survive the industry's "perfect storm" than quite a few other airlines. Ironically, Ryanair could come out of this even stronger.



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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12151 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
I think MOL said he suggested to have the new 737-800s without window shades but then his accountants

He is an accountant  Smile



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12050 times:



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 1):
At one point, Ryanair did say they would start taking their new 738s without window shades, to save weight and cost, but I believe it never actually happened.

I'm pretty sure Boeing said "no." The incremental cost to change something like that for a single airline is huge. Plus, as noted, it would do strange things to the resale value and Ryanair's current business model assumes they'll unload the airplane long before its useful life is over.

Tom.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12021 times:

Maybe they should charge passengers for using window shades.


Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11898 times:



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 1):
At one point, Ryanair did say they would start taking their new 738s without window shades, to save weight and cost, but I believe it never actually happened.

Perhapd they hoped to make money by selling sunglasses to all passengers blinded by the sun  Big grin



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User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11741 times:

I notcied that flybe on the Q400 don't have window shades. Is this to do with costs or another reason maybe?


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4353 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11624 times:



Quoting BMED (Reply 15):
notcied that flybe on the Q400 don't have window shades.

Many prop planes don't have window shades, saw the same on lots of ATR's, Fokkers Friendships, Saab 340s also operated by full service airlines or their local express counterparts.
The idea is that the flights are usually so short (like max 90 minutes) that including mandatory opening of the shades during take off and descent etc. there is no time anyway to take a nap.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11434 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 9):
You sure about that one?

Apologies....I did indeed look wrongly.


User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 996 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11284 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 16):
Many prop planes don't have window shades, saw the same on lots of ATR's, Fokkers Friendships, Saab 340s also operated by full service airlines or their local express counterparts.
The idea is that the flights are usually so short (like max 90 minutes) that including mandatory opening of the shades during take off and descent etc. there is no time anyway to take a nap.

Interesting, I think that some of the EMB 120s also dont have shades, if I'm not mistaken. How many cost saving would Ryanair actually save if they where to remove the shades?



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11195 times:

Does anybody actually use window shades often? I do not think I have ever used the window shade before. I enjoy looking out of the window, night or day. I guess several people may wish to close the shades when the sun is shining directly on to them.


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User currently offline757lgw From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 152 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10410 times:

yes lots of people do use them, its a pain in the arse argueing with like 10 people on every flight who want to keep it down for landing so now i just tell them "if that engine catches fire, the captain can´t see it and we can´t see it so were relying on you to scream loud enough to bring it to our attention"

User currently offlineIrregKing From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10049 times:

Since flying FR nowadays can be cheaper than non-revving I can definately confirm
that on the 17 FR flights I took I always had window shades. So I would say it's a myth but also have
to say that I once heard that rumor too, that they wanted to order window-shade-less 738's

And yes, most DH4's don't have window shades. All VO DH3's and DH4's for example don't have them.
I don't think that has anything to do with weight-reduction though.



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User currently offlineIrregKing From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9884 times:



Quoting 757lgw (Reply 20):
"if that engine catches fire, the captain can´t see it and we can´t see it so were relying on you to scream loud enough to bring it to our attention"

so that's the logic behind the fact that on most airlines they always announce to open the
window shades before touch down?
I've been travelling and flying almost all my life but I never knew that.
I always thought the reason was to save turnaround time, so that the crew and/or cleaners don't
have to waste time on opening them for the next flight.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9860 times:



Quoting Legoguy (Reply 19):
Does anybody actually use window shades often? I do not think I have ever used the window shade before. I enjoy looking out of the window, night or day. I guess several people may wish to close the shades when the sun is shining directly on to them.

I think they are used more for overnight flights to "extend" the night artificially. For example on EK into SYD, even though it had been bright for at least 4 hours the shades had to be kept down until the mood lighting cycled through till 'morning'. It was great actually! TBH I see this as the main function of window shades.

Brian.



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User currently offlineZbb757 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

I remember reading something that FR actually asked Boeing to make all their new build aircraft window shade free, but Boeing said that the development of this would cost FR money and being the canny Irishman MOL is he rightly said not to bother.

Also the second hand sale prices would have suffered as new operators would have to pay more to have window blinds fitted and most other aircraft ops would prefer them.

Also when will the FR bashing stop??? Do Americans constantly bash JetBlue or Southwest?? Not as much as we bash FR. They and U2 have reformed air travel for those in Europe and spawned many more, LS etc. The more LCC's the better as far as I am concerned. FR and U2 have the newest planes I have ever flown on, yes i know its luck but I constantly fly on new aircraft. The last FR flight I had was on a B737-800 delivered only 3 days prior.

Oh and just for the record my favorite airline is Monarch!

ZBB757



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25 Gilesdavies : MYTH!!! It is actually an Irish Aviation Authority requirement that all aircraft registered in Ireland have window shades installed.
26 BOSSAN : That's the main use for me. It can get quite warm to sit on the south side of a plane on a long transcon flight in the daytime (in the Northern hemis
27 Dangould2000 : Let's set the record Straight.....Ok, fuel is a contributing factor but the new big cost for Ryanair is staff. currently, the IAA allows cabin crew t
28 StarGoldLHR : Do Ryanair actually fly at lower speeds or altitude than other european airlines ? I just recently flew STN - KRK in 2hour 30. But Wizzair takes 1hour
29 Sevenair : THis would depend on the cost index selected. I am not sure what FR's cost index(es) is/are. But this is a bit of a difference in time, especially if
30 AirNZ : Funny enough, on my last three particular flights with them there in January (BHD to LPL, BRS and STN) I thought that we were flying at a much lower
31 Pe@rson : Hijacking the thread like all the bashers: GoEDI on PPRuNe is saying that FR will soon announce EDI as one of its two next bases, with it starting thi
32 ScottB : On a flight that short, there's may not be much point to climbing higher. It may well be that the altitudes above 21,000 might have been rougher, and
33 Giosetti : While I agree to everything Chris wrote in reply 5 I respectfully disagree here: I have been treated like a good guest in the majority of my flights
34 EDICHC : Do Aer Arann's fleet have them fitted?
35 Jetjeanes : I was on a Delta commuter a rj 700 about a week ago and the flight attendant asked that all shades be raised up as we arrived at the gate. Well i got
36 Mal787 : I think you will find this is a safety issue. in the event of a fire on landing/ takeoff you may want to see what exits you can and cant use. cant se
37 9VSIO : Right, so if I have Irish registered Extra 200, I must put window shades on it? :P :P
38 Giosetti : Sorry for quoting myself here, but I really wonder if this observation is valid, if there is a distinct culture to generally perform a landing with t
39 AirNZ : Oh yes, I quite understand that and fully agree. I was just meaning, in direct reponse to the question, that on those three particular flights I flew
40 JWMD123 : Coin operated window shades. Brilliant. Say charge 1 Euro an hour. LOL!!!!!
41 CPDC10-30 : Interseting comparing some of the operational tweaks that FR seems to use. Ryanair is the only airline that I have had an intersection takeoff at DUB
42 Tdscanuck : With steel brakes (as a 737NG has), the "sweet spot" is usually to do most of your slowing with reversers then finish off with brakes. With carbon br
43 Post contains images Dangould2000 : Edinburgh base is in the pipelines (my base supervisor told me)
44 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Man I almost peed on myself when I read that one! My recent flight on Piedmont didn't have any window shades if i'm not mistaken.
45 A380US : Im not I own stock in them.
46 By738 : Why would there be development cost to Boeing...? Surely they are just slipped into the groove between wall panel and window. They are not airtight or
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : So why would you say this?
48 BY738 : Isnt it cheaper to replace brakes than replace a reverse worn engine...? Maybe the time required for brake cooling on short turnarounds is more impor
49 EYKD : I know for sure that Boeing was investigating this on Ryanair's request. I know this because one of my ex-colleagues did that. Ummm... I'm now quite s
50 BrianDromey : Well, the engine does not actually reverse direction when reverse thrust is commanded. I believe it has something to do with "veins" which basically
51 Tdscanuck : Every single part of the airplane is documented and certified by drawings. Taking out the window shades means redoing, then re-reviewing, and re-cert
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