Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
AF201 MAA To CDG Missed Approach Go Around (Video)  
User currently offlineStevens91 From France, joined Jul 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

I was flying from MAA to CDG yesterday, as while landing the engines roared again, we went up again and took a left turn to land back 20 minutes later.

Captain didn't give any explanations only excuses...
Any idea what could have happened ???



36 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4191 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR



Quoting Stevens91 (Thread starter):
Captain didn't give any explanations only excuses...

1st: how do you know its only excused? What did he say? Please share them with us...

Oh and btw: Video doesnt work for me! It just says: We're sorry, this video is no longer available.

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Says your video is not available...


Go big or go home
User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Video works for me.

Could have been for any number of reasons - a runway incursion, another aircraft not clearing the runway. The pilots may not have been happy with the approach so decided to go around. It is nothing 'special'; busy airports such as LHR and CDG will have several every day due to the volumes of traffic.



No trees were harmed by this message. However, several million electrons were terribly inconvenienced
User currently offlinePetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4125 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Worked for me, but aren't you ment to turn off all electronic devices for landing???  Wink

User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Works now for me...Cool vid


Go big or go home
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4082 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR



Quoting Petera380 (Reply 4):
Worked for me, but aren't you ment to turn off all electronic devices for landing??? Wink

 rotfl   bigthumbsup 

Video works for me now as well!

Nothing unusual as Mhodgson said... Thousands of reasons why you have to go around....

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3479 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4031 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting Stevens91 (Thread starter):
Captain didn't give any explanations only excuses...

An excuse is the same as an explanation.On a miss approach followed by landing pilots tend to be very busy.So no time for a long and detailed explanation.



I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3992 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 7):
An excuse is the same as an explanation.On a miss approach followed by landing pilots tend to be very busy.So no time for a long and detailed explanation.

And we pilots dont need to apologize for a go around! When it happens it must not be our fault! Maybe something on the ground went wrong! And yeah, after a go around we are pretty busy!! Talking to ATC about new approach, retracting flaps according the speed, following the missed approach procedure, being at a safe altitude, watching for other traffic, observing the instruments, changing and preparing the FMC for the new approach etc etc...

And then the passengers just have to wait until there is time! And if there is not: well, whats more important: safe continuation or a long detailed explanation?

Usually the flight crew will gief a brief explanation after landing, but as well, if there is no time: not possible...

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3035 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3981 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

Don't see anything unusual.

Go-arounds are not infrequent events as other people have stated. I saw one yesterday at YYZ, Jazz CRA went around because the departing WestJet 738 was still on the runway.

Most likely something was on the runway. Be it another aircraft, a vehicle, animal, whatever, and the pilots went around. The approach looks normal enough until the engines spool up... no bad weather or unusual events.



Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Go arounds are perferctly standard procedure - the captain is under no obligation to provide "excuses" for his actions.

Continuing with an approach when there is someone on the runway/aircraft not stabalised/gear not down in time/reason x/reason y - that would not be standard procedure - and beleive me - the captain would then definately have to prodide excuses for his actions!

And from my IR (and even then only in a Seneca) a go around involves a heck of a lot of work, not only do you have to clean up the plane, you also need to fly the procedure, and then speak with approach/tower/whoever. Aviate, navigate, communicate!


User currently offlineStevens91 From France, joined Jul 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

I saw the aircraft behind us landing succesfully

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3961 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 10):
Aviate, navigate, communicate!

 bigthumbsup 

Let me guess: this was the 1st sentence you've been taught at flight school? Big grin

It was one of the first things I have heard at flight school, and I still hear it everytime during my sim checks!!

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineDFWMzuri From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3961 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 8):
Usually the flight crew will gief a brief explanation after landing, but as well, if there is no time: not possible...

Twice I've been on a flight that went around and both times the pilot did give an explanation. One time was quite humerous for he said, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again!"


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3945 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR



Quoting DFWMzuri (Reply 13):
Twice I've been on a flight that went around and both times the pilot did give an explanation. One time was quite humerous for he said, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again!"

Yupp, thats the way it should be  thumbsup  but sometimes there is no time for it! But nice of the crew to inform you with such a humour! some people are really afraid of flying and for them its a relief that everything is just normal

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR



Quoting Stevens91 (Reply 11):
I saw the aircraft behind us landing succesfully

Well, maybe one aircraft hasnt left the runway fast enough for you guys, but maybe it was off the runway for the guys behind you! so you had to go aroud and the others could land without any problems

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineStevens91 From France, joined Jul 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Pilot told your security is my priority !!!

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3920 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR

Quoting Stevens91 (Reply 16):
Pilot told your security is my priority !!!

thats the way it should be EVERYWHERE....
Or do you mean: SAFETY? or SECURITY?

WILCO737 (MD11F)


[Edited 2008-02-04 09:14:01]


It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3815 times:



Quoting Stevens91 (Reply 16):
Pilot told your security is my priority !!!



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 17):
Or do you mean: SAFETY? or SECURITY?

don't forget "securite" in french means both safety and security when translated into english.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3804 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 18):
don't forget "securite" in french means both safety and security when translated into english.

oh ok, didnt know. thanks

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3720 times:



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 18):
don't forget "securite" in french means both safety and security when translated into english.

Yes, and also needs to be taken contextually. In this case, safety, apparently.

I have been on many go-arounds for many reasons. Pilots are very busy and the last thing they need to focus on, much to the annoyance of the passengers, is a p.a. and to why it happened. If they have time, they will let, at least, the crew know and, in turn, they can make that p.a.. The ISM (purser, whomever in charge) could also make one.

Safety is always a priority. Every time.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3694 times:



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 10):
And from my IR (and even then only in a Seneca) a go around involves a heck of a lot of work, not only do you have to clean up the plane, you also need to fly the procedure, and then speak with approach/tower/whoever. Aviate, navigate, communicate!

Plus the examiner will then fail an engine on you... luckily you don't need to make PA's in a PA34 Big grin



No trees were harmed by this message. However, several million electrons were terribly inconvenienced
User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

On a side note, I know we love filming takeoffs and landing, but can we get in to trouble for it?
After all video/digital cameras do count as electronic devices.
And if so, what type of trouble?


User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

That happens quite a lot on congested airports. The fact that the aircraft behind you landed successfully is a sign that maybe there was still an aircraft on the runway. That can happen for many reason :

- an aircraft as just landed and has not cleared the runway fast enough,

- an aircraft is still taking off (which is rare at CDG because they use the parallel runways with one runway (08L for example, which is the longest) for take off and the other (08R, a bit shorter) for landing. Same thing goes for 09R, 09L; and opposites (26R, 26L; 27R; 27L)),

- an aircraft taxying accross the runway (which is, of course, the least probable because it's both dangerous and unauthorized unless ground control clears it).

I've had a go around a couple of times at CDG. No big deal, it was always at a safe distance from the ground (approx the same as shown on the video), always followed by a cool explanation (well not always, the first one was cool but the second one was something like "[irritated voice] Ladies and Gentleman, we had to go around because one of my fellow dumbass collegues hasn't cleared the runway fast enough, please accept our apology for the delay blahblahblah" - I won't say on which airline it was but the passengers took it well and laughed about it).

There are plenty of reasons why one would go around. Those above are only the most common - I think.



Cheers
User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3538 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 22):
On a side note, I know we love filming takeoffs and landing, but can we get in to trouble for it?
After all video/digital cameras do count as electronic devices.
And if so, what type of trouble?

Depends on the airline, the crew, the country...

I've never got in trouble at AF while doing that. The thing is you've got to be discreet. Not hide, like a criminal, but be discreet about it. If someone asks, I just tell them "I'm just taking some pictures, I'm an aviation fan (or something like that). Is it okay with you ?" with a nice smile and the F/A's generally say it's okay as long as you listen to their PA calls and you don't disturb other passengers.

Never had problems with TP, or Varig, nor any specific airline I can think of.

What type of trouble ? Not much I guess. Just someone coming up to you and asking you firmly to please turn off your camera or video recorder. That's all. But If you refuse to do it, or turn it on back again when the F/A turns goes away, then it might be troublesome but then again, i've never tried and never will.



Cheers
25 Mhodgson : Incidentally, it is perfectly possible, and legal, to go around and still touch the runway. In CATIIIb conditions with minimal visbility, if the runw
26 AF1624 : Indeed it is. What I was trying to mean by "safe distance from the ground" is that the feeling when those two go arounds happened was not fear or str
27 777 : I had a similar experience some months ago while flying CDG-FCO with AF and the captain explained us that "due to the fact that the ATC allowed us to
28 Post contains images WILCO737 : Yeah, maybe! But in Italy I usually came in too high! For some reason they wont let you descent very early! Worst for me was: 18,000 feet and only 25
29 777 : ... wow! From 18.000 ft to 0 ft in 25NM with an "heavy" beast like the MD-11F (if I well understood)... at least you had a lot of fun!
30 Post contains images WILCO737 : No, that were on the good old 737 But even then it was not possible! But I had one of those descents on the MD11F! 35000 feet and only 50NM to go...
31 Post contains images 777 : .... I can imagine the pitch angle you were forced to apply...
32 Post contains images WILCO737 : Wasnt too bad... about -3 or so... But it was a weird descent for sure and not very nice! Was on approach to DKR.... WILCO737 (MD11F)
33 AF1624 : What about the ears ? That must have hurt quite a lot ...
34 Post contains images WILCO737 : Nah, the airplane does it pretty good... and well, DKR is always nice for a surprise! once we overflew the airport and wanted to start to put in the
35 Cpd : Unbelievable. I can't begin to imagine what that fabled "Washington descent" used by British Airways Concorde crews must have been like - since it wa
36 Post contains images Sevenair : Yeah - you bet! I hear it every day! It's started to grind on me now - but it is a useful phrase
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
747 Go-Around Video In SXM posted Mon Jun 4 2007 02:46:58 by HighFlyer9790
Go Around Video With ATC-Most Interesting posted Thu Oct 26 2006 02:00:30 by KHI747
Recent MD-11 Go-around Video - Help! posted Fri Mar 18 2005 02:05:13 by Andrej
Fun Video (never Be Afraid To Go AROUND!) posted Sat Aug 23 2003 05:42:09 by Sccutler
Incident KIX; Air Canada Forced JAL To Go Around posted Tue Oct 23 2007 06:02:16 by SMOLT
Cool Video Of A 747 On A Go-around -ATC Included posted Mon Jun 12 2006 20:34:29 by Concorde001
Ground Stop To EWR For Go Around/Lost Com Aircraft posted Fri Apr 21 2006 22:55:33 by JCarv
What's It Like To Be On A Go-around? posted Mon Apr 11 2005 04:01:30 by Amy
AY MD-11 Cockpit Video With Go Around posted Thu Feb 10 2005 20:37:34 by Killjoy
Is It Ever Too Late To Do A Go-Around? posted Fri Jun 25 2004 21:59:54 by Demoose