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Pellston, MI (PLN) Meets With NW Route Planning  
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7528 posts, RR: 28
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

http://www.petoskeynews.com/articles...news/doc47a3174cc1de8630502434.txt

Airport officials met with NWA to discuss service improvements and were basically given a lukewarm response.

They are hoping to get the larger 76-seat jets back from Summer 2008 but doubtful as mentioned in the article, as NW had run the Avro into PLN in Summer 2005 & 2006. (NW retired this aircraft at the end of '06).

With 5 CRJ's to DTW on the weekend in '07, it was essentially the same number of seat they offered when it was 2x ARJ & 2x CRJ in '06.

It would be nice if they could get daily MSP service though, at least in the summer.

Officials at PLN had been attempting to get a second airline - but they were given the cold shoulder by American Eagle for ORD service last year. Instead, they've focused on improving NW ops.

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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1888 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Officials at PLN had been attempting to get a second airline - but they were given the cold shoulder by American Eagle for ORD service last year. Instead, they've focused on improving NW ops.

That would be nice, but it doesn't seem viable to me. Don't get me wrong, I love Pellston, it's a beautiful terminal, and I love vacating up there (my grandparents have a place in St Ignace, and I've spent many a day on Mackinac Island) but especially with the current trends in tourism, it seems unlikely to me that another airline could justify the overhead for the number of seats that they could sell. NW (Pinnacle/Mesaba) is by far the entrenched airline and the number of WorldPerks members per capita must be astounding. Also, aside from the summer season, I don't know that there's enough demand to support two airlines.

I remeber the first couple times I flew in to Pellston back in the mid-late 90s (95-96-ish) one of the United Express carriers served Pellston in the old terminal, but they pulled out and Pellston has been a one-airline town since then...

It seems to me that some reconfiguration of counter space would be required if another airline were to be added; XJ has pretty well distributed itself across the entire length of ticketing counter (not that there's a whole lot of ticketing counter in the first place)



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1731 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Officials at PLN had been attempting to get a second airline - but they were given the cold shoulder by American Eagle for ORD service last year. Instead, they've focused on improving NW ops.

MQ is tight on aircraft right now; I wonder if approaching UA might get them farther. Of course, UA hasn't exactly been opening gobs of new midwestern stations lately.



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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3890 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Mesaba has flown seasonal MSP-PLN flights on the saab in the past. Perhaps they'll be back this summer.


AZJ


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

It is nice that the folks in PLN are trying to get more air service for their community, but to be quite honest, what did they think they were going to get? I don't work in Airlink Planning over at Building A, but I'm pretty sure there are other markets that will get 76 seat RJ service, be it on CP or XJ, before PLN.


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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

I always like PLN. Nice little airport and very different terminal. The staff there are great too. A 76 seat RJ is doubtful, but hopefully some more Mesaba or Pinnacle Saab/CRJ service, including MSP.

User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1618 times:



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 3):
Perhaps they'll be back this summer.

I bet it will be. I remeber when CMX was on the 'jet' as they liked to call it during the summer. Man, I loved CMX. It was a lot like DLH. Everyone was excited it was the jet, and oh we might, or we might not go. Everyone was so easy going...

*sigh* But this thread is about PLN.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1598 times:



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NW (Pinnacle/Mesaba) is by far the entrenched airline and the number of WorldPerks members per capita must be astounding.

Agreed - and the same is true in Minnesota as well. American Eagle tried ORD-DLH and got their @$$es handed to them by NW. Only Allegiant flies out of DLH besides NW, and I don't think most of the "Northwest Territories" can support anything other than one airline - truly making it "Northwest Territory".



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1592 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
Agreed - and the same is true in Minnesota as well. American Eagle tried ORD-DLH and got their @$$es handed to them by NW. Only Allegiant flies out of DLH besides NW, and I don't think most of the "Northwest Territories" can support anything other than one airline - truly making it "Northwest Territory".

AA has flown that 2x and dropped it 2x


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7528 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1577 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 1):
That would be nice, but it doesn't seem viable to me. Don't get me wrong, I love Pellston, it's a beautiful terminal, and I love vacating up there (my grandparents have a place in St Ignace, and I've spent many a day on Mackinac Island) but especially with the current trends in tourism, it seems unlikely to me that another airline could justify the overhead for the number of seats that they could sell.



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
MQ is tight on aircraft right now; I wonder if approaching UA might get them farther. Of course, UA hasn't exactly been opening gobs of new midwestern stations lately.

They've spoken to United & Midwest as well, but initially targeted Eagle. They realized that due to the current situation at ORD that neither party was interested in serving the market based on slot & facility constraints. Perhaps once capacity is increased at ORD they may reconsider.

The terminal space is a non-issue, XJ uses the whole counter because no one else is there. The new terminal was designed for 2 airline tenants. The new terminal is more like a ski lodge / log cabin than an airline terminal.

Lincoln - my parents retired in the area as well. Its a great place year-round.

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 3):
Mesaba has flown seasonal MSP-PLN flights on the saab in the past. Perhaps they'll be back this summer.

Its been Saturday evening MSP-PLN, Sunday morning PLN-MSP - summer seasonal for the past 2 summers. Ideally, MSP would at least get a daily Saab during the summer.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 4):
I don't work in Airlink Planning over at Building A, but I'm pretty sure there are other markets that will get 76 seat RJ service, be it on CP or XJ, before PLN.

As said, in Summer 2005 & 2006 they did get the 69-seat ARJ. However, NW is a different airline now and using the 76 seater first in more business-oriented markets to maintain a competitive 2-class product. People aren't going to be booking away from NW to PLN (they are the only game in town) because they're only getting a 50-seater versus a 76 seater on a 50 minute flight up from DTW.

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Due to the seasonal nature of the market, the amount of service varies signficantly throughout the year.

Summer 2005:
DTW 6x daily (2x SF3, 2x CRJ, 2x ARJ) + (1/2x CRJ weekend)
MSP 1x Sunday (1x SF3)

Winter 2006:
DTW 3x daily (3x SF3)

Summer 2006:
DTW 4x daily (2x ARJ, 2x CRJ)
MSP 1x Saturday (1x SF3)

Winter 2007:
DTW 3x daily (1x CRJ, 2x SF3)

Summer 2007:
DTW 4x daily (4x CRJ)
MSP 1x Saturday (1x SF3)

Winter 2008:
DTW 3x (1x CRJ, 2x SF3)

Summer 2008 (tentative)
DTW 4x (4x CRJ) + 1 additional weekend CRJ
MSP 1x Saturday (1x SF3)


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1560 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 9):
As said, in Summer 2005 & 2006 they did get the 69-seat ARJ.

That was an awesome bird. I was flying up for a "reunion" just before the ARJ was pulled from DTW-PLN... even got the first class upgrade.

Only problem was about 10 other relatives were also on that flight (I didn't know until just before boarding that we had all wound up on the same flight) and they were kind of miffed-- but there weren't any free econ seats, and they eventually got over themselves, though  Smile



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1513 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 9):
Perhaps once capacity is increased at ORD they may reconsider.

Depending on which statement by the FAA you believe, that may be happening as soon as November.



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User currently offlineBrandonfs88 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1453 times:
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Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 6):

I bet it will be. I remeber when CMX was on the 'jet' as they liked to call it during the summer. Man, I loved CMX. It was a lot like DLH. Everyone was excited it was the jet, and oh we might, or we might not go. Everyone was so easy going...

*sigh* But this thread is about PLN.

Too bad half the time in the winter the CMX jet cancels. Or when it was an XJ jet it would get downgraded from the CRJ200 to a Saab, or a few times when it was XJ jet it came to MQT(which was fun except it being at 1am). Hopefully MQT local community can get there heads out of there asses and try to give an incentive to NW to bring a jet here. When American Eagle had the summer morning turn flight i know the airport waived there landing fees for that flight....

Best of luck to PLN trying to get the 900, i know they put a lot of people through there, and it is a very beautiful terminal and area.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7528 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1419 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Depending on which statement by the FAA you believe, that may be happening as soon as November.

Regardless, I don't see ORD-PLN happening anytime soon, as even the airport adminstration admits that. As others have said AA is limited by both slots, facilities, and RJ's. They have a lot more opportunities - particularly out of MIA that they want to fly with RJ's than they do aircraft.

UAX is not interested in PLN. They don't even fly FNT-ORD. Eagle re-entered the market and has been rather successful from both ORD & DFW (not sure how LGA is doing yet). They have other higher priorities from ORD as well.

PLN's best bet, would be to focus on getting daily MSP service.

Quoting Brandonfs88 (Reply 12):
Or when it was an XJ jet it would get downgraded from the CRJ200 to a Saab, or a few times when it was XJ jet it came to MQT(which was fun except it being at 1am).

It didn't help that XJ had a whopping fleet of 1 CRJ-200. If the plane ever went mechanical or IROP's - the XJ CRJ schedule was trashed and they'd sub in a Saab where feasible (the Saab can do CMX-MSP, but can't do DFW-MSP).
Now that 9E has it, and if XJ gets it back they will have 17 CRJ's at their disposal.

Quoting Brandonfs88 (Reply 12):
Hopefully MQT local community can get there heads out of there asses and try to give an incentive to NW to bring a jet here.

The days of throwing money at jets, for the sake of jets are over. If the load factors warrant it - then yes, otherwise let it be as-is.

Quoting Brandonfs88 (Reply 12):
Best of luck to PLN trying to get the 900, i know they put a lot of people through there, and it is a very beautiful terminal and area.

I wouldn't be surprised if a -900 makes it into the summer schedule. They planted the idea on their visit up there - and obviously the route planners are going to be rather indifferent and want to "look into things" before commenting one way or another.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Any chance of summer service on Continental (Commutair) CLE-PLN?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1371 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
Any chance of summer service on Continental (Commutair) CLE-PLN?

God, CLE-PLN would have been nice... I did CLE-DTW-PLN-DTW-CLE 5 times this summer (for work, amazingly).

My gut feeling is it wouldn't fly (pardon the pun) given the relationship between CO and NW, and it wouldn't really open up anything new in terms of destinations or alliances for the folks in PLN. Plus, Pellston-bound passengers have grown accustomed to having FAs (albeit at times surely) and beverage/nut service, so I can't really see them flocking to a Beech 1900 (although... Commutair is phasing those out, no? I really should pay more attention) ... though aside from that, I don't really see any reason it wouldn't work...

Lincoln



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7528 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1339 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
Any chance of summer service on Continental (Commutair) CLE-PLN?

No.

There are a lot of larger markets that that CO (regionally & nationally) doesn't serve out out CLE, let alone PLN.
As Lincoln says, CO in CLE doesn't bring anything new to the table that isn't already readily accessible via DTW.
Considering that NW goes all-jet to DTW in the summer, its not feasible for CO to go in when they can just leave it to their alliance partner.

PLN would rather get MSP or ORD which would open up a additional connections to the West.

As said, for an airport of their size, there are doing rather well (thanks to a strong local market).


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1278 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 13):
PLN's best bet, would be to focus on getting daily MSP service.

I remember PLN getting DC-9 service back in the late 1970s. Driving past there between Cheboygan and Petoskey these would be a familiar sight believe it or not:

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