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User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

Good afternoon to all!

I just bought a ticket from Milan to KIX with Finnair, and I was surprised to find out that my flights, both going and coming back (dates will be on the 28th Feb and 17th March) will be on MD-11s!! It's good news for me cause I never traveled by MD11s before (but my wife worries a bit..hehe). Anyway now I am curious. What aircraft will I travel on? Whose MD11s will those 2 be (I mean, previous owners..). Does anyone know?

Gian

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User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

AY has several MD-11s that they have owned for their whole service life. I can't remember where 2 of them came from and then there's one ex-Varig bird.

User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 830 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

OH-LGA, B, C and D have been with Finnair since manufacture.

OH-LGE and F came in from CityBird.

OH-LGG is the ex-Varig aircraft.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6668 times:

Didn't they also have ex-TG aircraft? I seem to remember something like that and that they were not happy with the state they were in (not well maintained). Maybe I'm way off, but I seem to remember this.


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User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6645 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
Didn't they also have ex-TG aircraft?

No. Finnair has none ex-TG aircrafts. They went UPS.

Quoting Gamarocchi (Thread starter):
but my wife worries a bit..hehe

Worry about what?


User currently offlineAAmd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6536 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
Didn't they also have ex-TG aircraft? I seem to remember something like that and that they were not happy with the state they were in (not well maintained). Maybe I'm way off, but I seem to remember this.

I think you're thinking of the Varig (RG) aircraft.


User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6133 times:



Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 4):
Quoting Gamarocchi (Thread starter):
but my wife worries a bit..hehe

Worry about what?

Well, mostly the fact the aircraft are not very new. And then that it's going to be a longer travel without PTV and such. Anyway when she looked up Finnair's safety record she got calmer.


User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6127 times:



Quoting EIDAA (Reply 2):
OH-LGA, B, C and D have been with Finnair since manufacture.

OH-LGE and F came in from CityBird.

OH-LGG is the ex-Varig aircraft.

CityBird? Were those bought by CityBird directly from MD or had they a life before that?

Do I remember badly or Finnair had also bought some used MDs from AZ??

Also any idea of where could I look up the ages, production years and history of specific aircraft?

Further question: how are those MDs inside? To what extent did Finnair remake them...


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6081 times:

Quoting Gamarocchi (Reply 7):

AY didn't buy any MD11's from AZ. AY actually owns only two of their seven MD11's, others are leased. And those two birds are sold to SU both.
You asked how their TriJets look inside, check this 360Panorama:
http://www.finnair.fi/filecontent/fi/fleet/md11_economy.htm

I just flew BKK-HEL on AY MD11, in biz class. Nice airy cabin and a VERY powerful take off  

[Edited 2008-02-07 00:47:37]

User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6023 times:



Quoting Gamarocchi (Reply 6):

Well, mostly the fact the aircraft are not very new. And then that it's going to be a longer travel without PTV and such. Anyway when she looked up Finnair's safety record she got calmer.

Actually MD11's aren't that old, been build 1990-2001, there are so many older birds flying out there. Was it so that AY got both the first and the last MD11?
Personally not the biggest fan of AY's Trijet, the lack of PTV's is the main point. If just possible, try to get your seats in the front Y cabin (rows 21-29), which has 3-4-2 seating. It's 3-4-3 in the back, meaning less shoulder room. The leg room is the same, pretty good actually. Finnair's long hauls are not famous for tasty meals, but otherwise the service should be ok.


User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5882 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 9):
Was it so that AY got both the first and the last MD11?

OH-LGE is last pax-version (1998). After that LH Cargo had F-versions.


User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5870 times:



Quoting Gamarocchi (Reply 6):
Well, mostly the fact the aircraft are not very new. And then that it's going to be a longer travel without PTV and such. Anyway when she looked up Finnair's safety record she got calmer.

Why does so many people think that older planes are unsafe?
They even don't have any facts about this. Often they are people who know nothing about aircrafts or aviation but they have only opinion about safety.


User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5870 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 9):
AY got both the first and the last MD11

Quite so, if you add the word passenger-configured.




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User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5738 times:



Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 11):
Why does so many people think that older planes are unsafe?
They even don't have any facts about this. Often they are people who know nothing about aircrafts or aviation but they have only opinion about safety.

Ah come on... it's not like everyone has to know anything. To most people, old aircraft are just another cathegory of old stuff... on the other hand that there are people who love old stuff.


User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5583 times:



Quoting Gamarocchi (Reply 7):
Also any idea of where could I look up the ages, production years and history of specific aircraft?

Try here

And for anything else go to the homepage.
Have a good holiday  Wink An Italian couple in Japan!? Sounds interesting.

Ciao
Joe


User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5459 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 8):
VERY powerful take off

better than a 757?

-Carl



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Slightly off-topic here, but have the 7 MD-11s secured new homes yet, after Finnair get their
A330s (or A350s), and the MD-11s are retired from Finnair's fleet?
I've heard rumors UPS has first dibs on these birds.
Regards.



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5326 times:



Quoting AirEMS (Reply 15):

better than a 757?
-Carl

Oh yes, atleast what I remember from my 757 flights. In Finland 757 usually meas cramped holiday charters by Finnair or Air Finland, so I've been avoiding those, though AY 757 looks good I think.

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BA is the only one using 757 in scheduled service to/from HEL. Sorry, going off the topic...

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 16):
Slightly off-topic here, but have the 7 MD-11s secured new homes yet, after Finnair get their
A330s (or A350s), and the MD-11s are retired from Finnair's fleet?
I've heard rumors UPS has first dibs on these birds.
Regards.

AY owns two of their seven MD11's and those birds are sold to SU, don't know about the others. All will leave Finnair by spring 2010, the first one this year.
The ordered eight A330's will arrive 2009-2010, two options still left. Two more A340's coming this year, three arrived already.
The A350's are not coming before 2014, so those 15? new birds are ment for the future plans. Not always the biggest fan of Finnair but as a tax payer I wish them all the best... big investments for a smallish company.


User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5303 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 17):
BA is the only one using 757 in scheduled service to/from HEL.

How about FI on KEF-HEL-KEF route? And AY next summer on HEL-FCO-HEL.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5278 times:



Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 18):

How about FI on KEF-HEL-KEF route? And AY next summer on HEL-FCO-HEL.

Oh yes Icelandair, I think they fly to HEL year around nowadays. AY's habbit to bring their cramped 227-seat B757 to the scheduled service in summer is something I'd like to forget. Perhaps they thought Italians need less leg room?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5238 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 17):
AY owns two of their seven MD11's and those birds are sold to SU, don't know about the others. All will leave Finnair by spring 2010, the first one this year.
The ordered eight A330's will arrive 2009-2010, two options still left. Two more A340's coming this year, three arrived already.
The A350's are not coming before 2014, so those 15? new birds are ment for the future plans. Not always the biggest fan of Finnair but as a tax payer I wish them all the best... big investments for a smallish company.

Very interesting information, thank you. Do you know if PEK is going to be MD11 served at the end of this year? I have the option of flying LHR-HEL-PEK on quite a reasonable one way fare, but only really to get another flight on the MD11.


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5186 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 20):

Very interesting information, thank you. Do you know if PEK is going to be MD11 served at the end of this year? I have the option of flying LHR-HEL-PEK on quite a reasonable one way fare, but only really to get another flight on the MD11.


Dan

Yes it looks PEK will be served by MD11 until Dec 2008 atleast. HKG will change to A340 in the early summer, the new destination Seoul will get A340 as expected.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5186 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 21):
Yes it looks PEK will be served by MD11 until Dec 2008 atleast. HKG will change to A340 in the early summer, the new destination Seoul will get A340 as expected.

Many thanks, I hope that question hadn't been asked too many times before!


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5162 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 22):

Many thanks, I hope that question hadn't been asked too many times before!


Dan

Happy to help!
Personally I rather try their A340 next time but I admit MD11 is something special, it will have a safe place in my living room always  Wink

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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5131 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 23):
Happy to help!
Personally I rather try their A340 next time but I admit MD11 is something special, it will have a safe place in my living room always

Very nice! It's a great looking aircraft, such a shame to see most of them leaving passenger operations so soon, although I agree with you that the A340 is better from a passengers perspective - so much quieter.



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25 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Not very new? Il mio amico, chi se ne frega?! Some of the AY MD-11's are only about 10 years old. That's younger than many A330/340's, 767's, and eve
26 OkAY : Slightly off-topic, but didn't AY buy some ex-AZ MD80s back in the time? okAY
27 Post contains images Gamarocchi : Chotto chigau. An Italian/Japanese couple visiting relatives
28 Post contains images Finnaviation : Power makes noise. Weak A343 has no power, so there is no noise.
29 American 767 : I believe you. But don't forget Finnair has the oldest MD-11 which is now 17 years old, it dates from 1990 or 1991. I have no doubt that the A340 is
30 Gamarocchi : Well actually I am happy to get a chance to fly on an MD11 before it gets retired from passenger use (I never flew on it, even if I had a travel on a
31 Gamarocchi : Ah. I did remember some MDs going from Italy to the North...
32 Cchan : How good is AY in operating the scheduled aircraft type? That is, how likely an A340 turns up at the gate when the schedule says MD11?
33 Warren747sp : The secure feeling you get at take off with max range on the MD-11 is something the A343 can only match in their dreams! If it wasn't SQ who picked th
34 Finnaviation : If it's scheduled for M11 its operated also with M11. They never change 340--->M11 of M11--->340.
35 N1641 : isnt the MD-11 #2 on the list behind the concorde for #flights/crash ratio? just saying... but I did fly on a MD-11 once, most comfortable plane I've
36 Post contains links AverageUser : This will always pop up when MD11 is discussed. The worst accident was the electrical fire on Swissair SR111 that most likely started from wiring in t
37 Post contains images FlagshipAZ : 200 MD-11s built. Only 5 hull write-offs. 195 still active. 20 Concordes built. 1 hull write-off. 1 or 2 scrapped. Many preserved. I'll let you do th
38 Post contains images ClassicLover : You're in for a treat - the MD11 has the largest windows of any passenger aircraft currently in service (bigger than Boeing and Airbus). Finnair are
39 Viscount724 : There are still a few DC-10s in passenger service. Same windows as the MD-11. 11 x 16 inches if not mistaken. The big windows have always been one of
40 Andaman : Yes MD11's large windows are great, I noticed that again last month when flying BKK-HEL one way in J, the route provides great views. And yes, AY had
41 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Now that's the spirit, molto bene! True, OH-LGA, LGB were delivered in 1990/91. But they were upgraded to the A-1 PIP package years ago and hence sti
42 Mashimaro1 : Haha, I actually recently flew one of AY's A340s on PVG-HEL. Was amazing! Might put up a trip report if I have the time...
43 Post contains links and images Superfly : But it's always good to be aware of the aircraft's safety record. Perhaps she should read over these stats as well. http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bi
44 Gamarocchi : Well I read it up already and I showed the page to her (that's what made her feel better about it). I think if the single SR accident hadn't happened
45 Post contains images Kappel : OK, thanks guys. i was sure Finnair bought ex-TG aircraft, but I guess I was mistaken. Actually, SQ did order the MD11, but cancelled that order when
46 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : While I can't speak for Warren, I'd assume he is well aware, like I, that SQ ordered the MD-11 before cancelling for the A343, which was replaced by
47 Post contains images Kappel : Yes they were, and who knows, they might have been happer with the MD11 than with the a343. And maybe the same would have happened with the MD11, wit
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