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Thai Airways - No More First To Australia  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

It appears that from early May, Thai Airways will cease operating 747-400s to Sydney and Brisbane.

Schedules are as follows for May onwards:

Quote:
Brisbane
BNE/BKK 23.59/05.59+1 TG992 773 (Daily)
BKK/BNE 08.00/22.45 TG991 773 (Daily - via Sydney)

Sydney
SYD/BKK 10.00/16.25 TG994 772 (Daily)
SYD/BKK 15.50/22.15 TG996 772 (Daily)
SYD/BKK 21.10/05.59+1 TG991 (Daily - via Brisbane)

BKK/SYD 08.00/20.00 TG991 773 (Daily)
BKK/SYD 18.15/06.15+1 TG993 772 (Daily)
BKK/SYD 23.59/12.00+1 TG995 773 (Daily)

Currently the TG991 BKK-SYD-BNE and TG992 BNE-BKK is 744 operated with First Class as is TG995 BKK-SYD and TG996 SYD-BKK.

Anyone know why TG are removing 747-400s from Australian services?

Cheers

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User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5015 times:



Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
Anyone know why TG are removing 747-400s from Australian services?

They used to have a problem as often the newer 744s would be substituted with the older 7442 interior which was shocking in J and F class. And competing with SQ, CX, QF BA etc on the European routes was hard.

Not sure if this is still a problem.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4886 times:

are those 773s gonna have the new business class?

Because to my knowledge they were configured i a regional configuration which isn't really good enough considering the time from BNE to BKK. Especially if continuing on to europe..... hmmm maybe just anouther reason to fly EK instead.
I'm going to BKK in the next 6 weeks or so and planned to use it too! but no way in hell will I pay for that old business class if they switch back to 773 flights and its not upgraded.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

Oh no this is sad... BNE I understand, but they cannot even support a PCL service to SYD or MEL?


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

I think it is a smart move.
Consistent product for the premium routes with new J class class.
Let's face it, BKK is hardly a premium destination justifying F, and I don't think much of the mainstream business market would pay for F on Thai.

That being said, there J class product and prices are great.

As for regional J at BNE... makes sense.
CX still operate regional J, and until recently so did EK.
TG is the only carrier to operate direct BKK-BNE.

Even QF used VERY old 767s on the HKG sector.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4586 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 4):
That being said, there J class product and prices are great.

As for regional J at BNE... makes sense.
CX still operate regional J, and until recently so did EK.
TG is the only carrier to operate direct BKK-BNE.

Even QF used VERY old 767s on the HKG sector.

Sound fine until you consider they're paying the same price as from SYD and MEL,
and many of us who actually have to use BNE airport DONT think its good enough what
SIA, CX etc have been offering us with regional business classes.
QF are upgrading theres as soon as more A330s come online (note QF to SIN is already skybed, ditto to LAX)
EK and etihad and Malaysia are all offering far better products.
I for one was prepared to fly Thai over SIA for this very reason. So its not like people
aren't paying for flatbeds in this market...they are... its just competition hasn't yet forced everybody
to upgrade. The problem is, right now its really hard to get seats out of Brissy. Wait until
EK and Etihad add more capacity.... Then you see some competitive pressure. That's the only reason
SIA and friends are getting away with it... not because people in Brisbane won't pay for it. So smart move on
thai's part? Not so sure. Maybe they could do away with F...but a regional business class isn't up to scratch.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4566 times:



Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
Anyone know why TG are removing 747-400s from Australian services?

I posted in the Aus Aviaiton thread the same thing but....

The 773 will haver the new configuration

The new cofig 747's have 10F/40J/325Y and the new refitted 773 is 34J/330Y so it is a loss of F and about 6 J seats with an increase of 5 Y seats.

So this basically means TG couldn't get the yields from Australian services for F and have opted to provide the same amount fo J/Y cpacity, but with a far more fuel efficient aircraft.

Smart Move IMHO.


User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Where are the 777's coming from? And where are the 744's going to?

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4167 times:



Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 7):
Where are the 777's coming from? And where are the 744's going to?

Not sure where the 773's are coming from.

I see the 744's are replacing the A346 to MUC.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4075 times:



Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 7):
Where are the 777's coming from? And where are the 744's going to?



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 8):
Not sure where the 773's are coming from.

I see the 744's are replacing the A346 to MUC.

B773s currently go to:
ATH
TPE
ICN
HKT
SIN
CGK
DPS
CNX
DEL
NRT
KIX
PER

and sub for some other regional sectors.

wouldn't be surprised if DEL gets one of the B744s coming off SYD route.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Very intersting and very good for competitors chasing the F / R market to Australia.

I am surprised though as Thai's total passenger carriage from official statistics has shown a sudden significant jump for some reason into and out of Australia.

But as pointed out above, yields could have been a problem and maybe MUC will offer those desired yields.



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User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7334 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

LOL meanwhile little old AKL continues with the 346 which has 1st. When the 772s come I think we lose it, but until then..

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3936 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 10):
I am surprised though as Thai's total passenger carriage from official statistics has shown a sudden significant jump for some reason into and out of Australia.

If you are looking at pure pax numbers, then the aircraft swap only loses about 10 pax per flight so hardly a huge decrease. If they can make more money on a 773 than a 744 with 10 less seats, then good luck to them


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3696 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 5):
Sound fine until you consider they're paying the same price as from SYD and MEL,
and many of us who actually have to use BNE airport DONT think its good enough what
SIA, CX etc have been offering us with regional business classes.

don't worry, SQ and CX have been sending us the same crap for years now and there is far more money and premium passenger load out of Perth than BNE. Now we get stuck with TG and the 773 in old config, not sure which is worse, their 773 or the A330-300.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3430 times:



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 13):
Now we get stuck with TG and the 773 in old config, not sure which is worse, their 773 or the A330-300.

Isn't the PER B773 going to be a refurb aircraft?
I would think it's only a matter of time before TG upgrade PER.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3395 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 14):
Isn't the PER B773 going to be a refurb aircraft?
I would think it's only a matter of time before TG upgrade PER.

All of the 6 773's are due to be refurbished, however my understanding is that only 1 is currently refitted


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