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Delta-Northwest May Announce Merger Next Week  
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23579 times:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/23037066


discuss...


Some see lines, others see between the lines.
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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23596 times:

From the WSJ;

Quote:


United is instead focusing on discussions with Continental, said one person familiar with the situation. If a deal between the two does come together, the hope would be to do it very near a Northwest-Delta announcement, so the two potential combinations would undergo regulatory scrutiny at the same time, this person added. Another person with knowledge of the situation said United and Continental are poised to act quickly once another airline merger is announced.

If Delta and Northwest sign a letter of intent in the coming days, that would trigger another development that could hasten further attempts to consolidate. Northwest currently has a "golden share" of preferred stock in Continental that allows Northwest to block a merger of Continental with another large carrier. But if Northwest agrees to merge with Delta – even if the deal is never consummated -- Continental could redeem that stock for a total of just $100.

That would free Houston-based Continental to pursue its own merger or to more enthusiastically entertain the attentions of United, which already has pitched a combination with Continental and been rebuffed, or yet another carrier. Continental executives have repeatedly said they prefer to remain independent, but would do what is best for the company if the competitive landscape changes..


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1202...1148771.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo

[Edited 2008-02-06 15:18:42]


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User currently offlineTCT From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23567 times:

I was wondering if this does happen, does anyone know what the fleet would consist of, obviously DL will keep their name but will they keep all those airbus aircraft???, also does anyone know the hub possibility's we already know with out a doubt that ATL will be kept.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23510 times:



Quoting TCT (Reply 2):

Does anyone here know? Absolutely not.


User currently offlineTCT From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23473 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
Does anyone here know? Absolutely not.

Sorry I meant does anyone know the possibilities. Obviously no one knows for sure.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23430 times:



Quoting TCT (Reply 2):
I was wondering if this does happen, does anyone know what the fleet would consist of, obviously DL will keep their name but will they keep all those airbus aircraft???, also does anyone know the hub possibility's we already know with out a doubt that ATL will be kept.

Nobody knows, we can only speculate. I speculate that Memphis and Cincinnati will be shut-down if NW/DL merge, and the shut-down will be quick and fast for both, IMO.

It is also interesting to see what cash-rich American Airlines is going to do. They might want to play spoiler in some way for some merger, and they might succeed in doing so.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23355 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
It is also interesting to see what cash-rich American Airlines is going to do. They might want to play spoiler in some way for some merger, and they might succeed in doing so.



Very true, AA is the wildcard, but there may be other players.

[Edited 2008-02-06 15:28:29]


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User currently offlineCactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23358 times:

If this merger happened, would DL get NW's "golden share" in CO?


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User currently offlineLandingshortly From Austria, joined Jan 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23360 times:

I'd really like DL+NW in SkyTeam and UA+CO in StarAlliance. Though, I don't really think that's going to happen.


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User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23282 times:



Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 7):
If this merger happened, would DL get NW's "golden share" in CO?

No. The share is nontransferrable to new ownership. I wouldn't be supprised as soon as the merger is announced CO announces its getting its golden share back and then the next day UA and CO announce their merger.



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User currently offlineORD Boy 2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23280 times:

It would have to happen DOJ would not allow Skyteam to have a combined UA/CO and DL/NW. It would be too much market share for one alliance to have.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23281 times:



Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 7):
If this merger happened, would DL get NW's "golden share" in CO?

No, CO can buy it back for $100.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
It is also interesting to see what cash-rich American Airlines is going to do. They might want to play spoiler in some way for some merger, and they might succeed in doing so.

Im Anxious to so what our friends in Fort Worth are up to as well. I dont know of any airline that would be a great fit for them. More then likely (if they do anything at all), they will take what they want to and sell the rest of whatever carrier they merge/buyout with.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23279 times:

Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 7):
If this merger happened, would DL get NW's "golden share" in CO?

Cactus please read the quote from the Wall Street Journal.

[Edited 2008-02-06 15:34:36]


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User currently offlineORD Boy 2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23243 times:

BTW I would love UA/CO now I could claim mileage plus miles ORD-EWR-TLV if this deal happens so my once in a while rants on UA not flying to TLV would end

User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23096 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
It is also interesting to see what cash-rich American Airlines is going to do. They might want to play spoiler in some way for some merger, and they might succeed in doing so.

I'm sure American doesn't want to see this but I don't think they have much choice. Hostile deals rarely work out and I think NWA and DL have been preparing for this since they entered BK on the same day. Secondly, American is too big to get away with taking NWA whole and breaking anyone apart would go over very poorly with the regulators and politicians. I think if this deal happens American will be left picking up a smaller carrier.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22929 times:

So perhaps we will see the following:

Delta-west
Conti-nited
Ameri-tran

How does that sound?



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4552 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22853 times:

Even if the airlines agree to merge it is going to have to get regulator approval. I know I've stated it before but you can get Cincinnati is going to fight this to the death. Memphis may as well. This isn't like US/HP where there were no obvious victims upon merging. It will not be the case with this deal. It will be ugly.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22849 times:



Quoting Surfdog75 (Reply 14):
Secondly, American is too big to get away with taking NWA whole and breaking anyone apart would go over very poorly with the regulators and politicians.

Neither AA nor NW share any hubs, nor would they create substanital overlap in key markets. DOJ doesn't care how big they are, they care about market overlap. AA/NW would pass the test.



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22792 times:

Quick question. Northwest, well Airlink that is, is one of the biggest airlines here at MLI. If NW and DL merge, would DL then take over these routes, or how will that work with smaller stations like MLI. I just hope we don't lose too much service over this, even though DL is my favorite airline and I hope that we don't get screwed over by all this. Thanks for your thoughts.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4552 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22753 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Neither AA nor NW share any hubs, nor would they create substanital overlap in key markets.

There is a 5 mile difference between DTW & ORD and DTW & CVG. Basically NW & AA would overlap as much as NW & DL would. Don't know if that was the point or not. Just thought I'd toss that out there. The difference though in the two is that ORD and DTW have the o&d for both to survive in that area. CVG does not.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22720 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Neither AA nor NW share any hubs, nor would they create substanital overlap in key markets. DOJ doesn't care how big they are, they care about market overlap. AA/NW would pass the test.

Do you think an AA/AS merger would be blocked? I don't see any major overlap, there is some minor overlap in California though.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22595 times:



Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 20):
Do you think an AA/AS merger would be blocked? I don't see any major overlap, there is some minor overlap in California though.

Absolutely not. An AA/AS or AS/almost anybody merger would almost certainly go through, IMO, in terms of lack of market overlap.

There are other reasons why an AA/AS merger won't happen - particularly AS' amazing cost structure that AA can't replicate - but DOJ won't stop them.



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User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22565 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Neither AA nor NW share any hubs, nor would they create substanital overlap in key markets. DOJ doesn't care how big they are, they care about market overlap. AA/NW would pass the test.

They don't share markets but they are very concentrated in DTW-ORD-MSP and STL-MEM-DFW. I don't see it happening mainly because, like I said before, this thing was born a long time ago. NWA has a long history with KLM and DL is joined at the hip with AF. AF owns KLM and they are all SKY. The joint agreements they have in place are going to be huge profit generators for the combined company if they pull it off. American is so far on the outside of this but I guess anything is possible.


User currently offlineRW717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22563 times:

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 20):
Do you think an AA/AS merger would be blocked? I don't see any major overlap, there is some minor overlap in California though.

Considering AA's track record with murdering west coast airlines, I don't think AS would be too keen on a merger.

[Edited 2008-02-06 16:24:15]


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User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22566 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 16):
Even if the airlines agree to merge it is going to have to get regulator approval. I know I've stated it before but you can get Cincinnati is going to fight this to the death. Memphis may as well. This isn't like US/HP where there were no obvious victims upon merging. It will not be the case with this deal. It will be ugly

Thats right and Ohio is going to be a key battleground in the November election too. It will also be a key battleground in the democratic primary. It will get as ugly as it can possibly get.


25 Whappeh : Interesting. The airlines that I would never assume would be courting eachother... are. Interesting choices. I, as a US fan, fear that if all these ge
26 DLOnur : I'm sick of this crap (as a DL employee). Will someone please buy someone or not so I can figure out if I have a job or not in 6 months? At this point
27 Ncflyer : And And if UA and CO merge, it's bye bye CLE hub (it will fold into IAD and ORD, AGAIN). More reason OH lawmakers will fight like crazy.
28 Style : Spot on Indy, it amazes me some people on here think this will be announced and the following day one hub will close followed by another and then by
29 Twolz2rn : Would this merger be more like AF/KL or completely merge so that NW no longer exists?
30 Mnevans : That makes me scared... Having CO at my home airport is very, very, very nice. I would like to see DL+NW. If this happens, what does everybody think
31 Post contains images Platinumfoota : DL/NW and UA/CO sounds good to me. UA/CO is perfectly set up in LAX already
32 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : no one knows why don't we wait for them to tell us? i have to agree I'm getting a little sick of "we are talking" do it or don't quit prolonging it
33 IADLHR : I have long questioned if there is even enough time left in the Bush administration for any merger to gain approval. In the coming months there will
34 ORD Boy 2 : UA/CO are also set up in other airports well, ORD and BWI come to mind
35 WorldTraveler : as has been stated, hostile takeovers rarely work and to add companies almost always add breakup clauses in the event the original partner is dumped
36 Skibum9 : Last time I checked, CVG was in Kentucky. Did it move? Seriously, Kentucky has more to lose than Ohio, from a tax base perspective. Southwestern Ohio
37 Post contains images Platinumfoota : Excellent
38 Indy : I disagree. While the airport may be physically located in Kentucky the image of CVG is Cincinnati. It is the port that Cincinnati business travelers
39 Iflyatldl : CVG would make an excellent reliever airport for DTW just like MEM would for ATL. They're both forty minute legs, not to mention CVG has excellent fac
40 Ckfred : What if AA bought AirTran? That would give AA a much better presence in the Southeast than RDU, since Atlanta does generate O&D traffic. The fleets wo
41 Jetlanta : Spot on. No hubs will close in anything remotely representing the near-term. There are economic, political and labor considerations that will keep al
42 Klkla : Obviously I don't "know" but I "think" they would. Northwest's Airbus fleet is large enough to provide economy of scale and are modern & efficient ai
43 SeeTheWorld : With congestion at ORD and EWR, CLE might not have the same fate as a CVG or a MEM. A combined UA/CO could flow more domestic connecting traffic over
44 Post contains images Iflyatldl : And watch AA return a whole new batch of 717's like they did with TW.
45 LAXdude1023 : In a perfect world, but I dont think they will survive in the long term. In the short term, I dont expect anything to change much. When AA bought TWA
46 Post contains images FreequentFlier : At least Steenland can always resort to dumpster diving since his HR department seems to know a lot about it.
47 Atmx2000 : Even if it were transferrable, DOT/DOJ wouldn't allow the merged airline to control the fate of another airline. These fortress hubs are likely profi
48 Iflyatldl : In a lot of ways, WN would be a good fit for MEM, although I'm not sure about gate space.
49 DL Widget Head : I agree. Even if AA decided to make some trouble, they really don't benefit much from what NW has to offer with the exception of TransPAc, and NW wil
50 LAXdude1023 : I agree. I dont think AA will bid for NW. I really dont. I also dont expect them to do nothing. Im not too sure for what they will do.
51 WorldTraveler : 9/11 happened post AA/TW. AA's choice was to file for BK or kill off STL and most of the former TW operation. AA did what they had to do but they lef
52 N801NW : Northwest is guilty of not proof reading that brochure. NWA HR did not write it however. The severance package info was done by a Wisconsin company.
53 Coewraatysaz : I hear ya The thought of us merging w/ that sad excuse for an airline makes me sick. (us being CO)
54 Gte439u : I agree with Klkla that this is a question of anti-trust not making local politicos happy. DoJ is only to evaluate the anti-trust concerns in regards
55 A380fo : In regards to fleet, do you think the Airlink Saabs are gone??
56 RwSEA : The reliever hub idea always sounds good in theory, but rarely works in practice. STL was supposed to be a reliever hub for ORD; PIT could have been
57 EXAAUADL : I dont think AA will do anything if other airlines merger except try to throw sand in the gears and demand the merged carriers give up slots etc etc..
58 Post contains images SNCntry32 : What are you talking about WorldTravler? If you think Minnesotans can be bought off by a couple of new international routes, you are sadly mistaken.
59 Joeman : That's what the current CO plan presented to CLE and Ohio (a strengthened reliever for EWR) for public money investment entailed. With load factors a
60 Post contains images Platinumfoota : We're not that bad (We being UA)
61 Post contains images BAKJet : I'm fine with it as long as IND stays a focus city. Actually if IND stays a focus city, I might even be sort-of happy, because even though delta's far
62 LAXdude1023 : I always hear our friends at UA being excited about having CO. I never hear our friends at CO excited about having UA. Agreed. I have no doubt the ai
63 IADLHR : Thye govt doesnt have to turn the proposed merger down. They can dreag their feet and drag their feet and be forced to supply information to the poli
64 TSRA : Here is something to think about. In a DL/NW world, NW could get rid of some of the older DC-9s and replace them with YX 717s. As more Compass aircraf
65 FUN2FLY : I hope CO does not buy UAL. I don't think it is fixable, desireable routes or not. I hope CO and AS, two maverick airlines that think alike merge givi
66 DLOnur : I'm going to disagree with you on this point. DL is actually not hiring that much beyond necessary front line positions in ACS, DT, FlightOps, IFS, a
67 Iflyatldl : I have two neighbors, one with DL and another with NW, both f/a's(intl. with alot of senority) and they've both been convinced this was going to go d
68 CV880 : Why does AA need AirTran? AA can set up a domestic hub anywhere of their choosing. You can bet that AA will not sit around and let a CO/UA deal go th
69 Jrlander : I have to agree- I think that once decisions are made about hubs and maintenance facilities, we will see staff reductions in those areas. I think the
70 NorthstarBoy : Just a curiosity, considering that DL operates direct from the states to most, if not all major cities in Europe, they really don't need the AMS hub n
71 DL Widget Head : What WT said will probably come to frution. I don't think you have too much to woory about for the next couple of years. Yes, the basic tenet of the
72 PSU.DTW.SCE : Nope. They are here to stay. They are the only aircraft that can effectively serve many of the small markets in the Upper Midwest out of DTW & MSP. T
73 Jrlander : You are partially correct, but Delta does serve many markets through codeshares with AF via CDG and KL via AMS. We will see both the hub practices at
74 Super80DFW : I think that is a really great line! Although the first part or your reply is VERY TRUE! I don't really see why it wouldn't work. AA and AS would mer
75 KingAir200 : Oh come on. When you get any sort of material from a contractor, it is a good idea to inspect it. And I wouldn't put it past NWA management to forget
76 Post contains images Iflyatldl : If AA did purchase AS, it would be alot more difficult for AA to cannibalize AS's network and it would indeed feed and contribute to AA's exisisting
77 N839MH : What ever happened or where is the purchase of Midwest by Northwest? How does this come to play in a DL/NW merger/buyout?
78 Klkla : I would assume that the HQ would stay in Atlanta if Delta is indeed the surving entity. They have lots of incentives they would have to give up if th
79 Post contains images Nycbjr : loving the idea of 330's in delta colors
80 Breaker1011 : I agree with Onur here. Don't think for a moment that DL will just keep the status quo for very long. If there isn't a redundant capacity cut in the
81 Post contains images Iflyatldl : I was wondering the same about a 744, if they're kept around.
82 WorldTraveler : the failure with this thinking is realizing that there are PROFITS associated with these costs. Companies (rational ones anyway) are happy to have co
83 SNCntry32 : No, no, we just want the present HQ to stay with the current amount of jobs. I thought DL's cooperate culute was not one of screwing people over? Why
84 Post contains images Breaker1011 : Big ole jet airliner, don't carry me too far away.....
85 SLCUT2777 : They'll stay MUCH longer than the DC-9s. That said I think within 4 years all MDD equipment will be gone and I give 7-10 for any and all Airbus equip
86 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : now look for a 773ER with that new DL livery! But perhaps switch the white out for the NW silver since that might be the only modification I see in t
87 DeltaL1011man : my guess is some routes will stay some will go.......i think the DTW-AMS 744 will become a A330 or 767 and that 744 will go on ATL-NRT and then they
88 SNCntry32 : Why would they phase out the A330's? I dont get some views of some deltaheads around here, why would they get rid of all of this Airbus equipment. If
89 Post contains images Iflyatldl : Nice touch Breaker1011!
90 Post contains images Breaker1011 : cause it's here that I have to stay... ask and ye shall receive my friend -
91 Post contains links and images SLCUT2777 : I think you'll also see the facility at SLC stay on line as well:
92 DeltaL1011man : no DL won't screw there people for others.......there are alot more HQ jobs in ATL than MN just looking at the buildings tells me this. So who do you
93 Breaker1011 : If Delta leadership wishes a smooth integration, best possible employee morale, avoidance of additional unionization, and a spirit of "one team" goin
94 Post contains links and images SLCUT2777 : 7-10 years is still a considerable amount of time. AC similarly had their Airbus widebody equipment for only a short period of time when they decided
95 SNCntry32 : How many buildings do you think there are when it comes to NW Corp? Mind you they are spead out it in Eagan, and by the airport. Oh DL jobs. This mer
96 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : as long as the hub is there the hangar will stay the 77W is nice the A320 on the other hand My guess in 7-10 years there will be a 737RS to replace t
97 Dallasnewark : What are the chances of AA coming in and outbidding Delta by means of hostile takeover? They do have pretty large cash reserve. I don't think a lot of
98 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : DL did it 2 decades ago when they successfully assimilated Western into their fleet and ranks.
99 KingAir200 : I have read your comments about both the DC-9 and A320 on this site and I am continuously puzzled by them. What do you find to be so bad about them?
100 WorldTraveler : yes it was completed. I see no reason it should affect it. DL is very small in the upper midwest. I doubt if the DOJ will raise DL as an issue w/ mid
101 SLCUT2777 : Unless UA ups and leaves DEN, I think SLC is safe.
102 ERJ170 : Hahahahaa.. I can only bet.. as soon as it become official, Delta and Boeing are going to announce a new order for some 777 and 787, with Boeing taki
103 Indy : Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume the fate of the hubs will have been settled at merger time. I can't imagine them merging and then say "ok now wha
104 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Just as they've done for AC, even though the narrow-bodied fleet is still up in the air.
105 Rwy04LGA : I was thinking the same thing! I'm not a big fan of Airbus...but I could become one! I asketh, could thou maketh an A330 rendition? 757-300? The Delt
106 WorldTraveler : read the thread. it's already been addressed as unlikely because hostile takeovers don't work in the airline industry.
107 Post contains links DeltaL1011man : on the Airline HQ thread they said 3 in Eagan and "many" by the airport..........but Delta (off the top of my head) has 7 and 1/2 not counting cargo/
108 SNCntry32 : Your right. And I supose that the fleets are so opposite, they current crews should be able to stay.
109 Breaker1011 : I'm sure there will be a "plan" around CVG and MEM. We'll know what it is only when it's made public. And the "plan" will placate as many interested
110 Indy : So I assume we can assume the plan will be a best case scenario for CVG and MEM and they shouldn't hold their breath on it getting better after the m
111 DeltaL1011man : the DC-9 is a long story but I'll just say i don't like them as for the A32S i like the A319s but not the A320/A321 I don't know why but just don't l
112 Post contains images Breaker1011 : I know this doesn't count, but it's all I could find on the 330 -------- But I would personally wet myself if some merger in heaven (ATA?) would brin
113 Breaker1011 : Honestly I'm not sure. WorldTraveler is correct in that both hubs represent revenue with somewhat of a yeild premium and therefore great margins. Bot
114 AlexPorter : AF/KL comes to mind. I'm not sure why the entire last third of this thread involves all sorts of speculation, all of which involves completely disman
115 Breaker1011 : Ditto that King. Ah - the sounds and the shudders of the DC-9 are some of my fondest memories of flying. That "waoossshhh" of the full throttle movem
116 Rwy04LGA : When they park the Airbii in the desert, they'll ferry the crews back in the '9s. Actually a 747-251F. You just wanted to correct me, didn't you? And
117 Rwy04LGA : Much appreciated. However, I thought YOU were doing the rendering. As do I. A very convenient, spacious terminal.
118 Breaker1011 : Wish I were that talented, just rendering a public service! Checkout the site - cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos Some really schweet stuff cont
119 RedTailDTW : You know, it would suck if they kept the same paint scheme and any trace of Northwest is lost forever. I think they should tweak the current scheme a
120 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : yes i did everytime i try it won't let me for me i few on one (MIA-ATL I think) worst flight of my life......have never had a good flight on them but
121 DL Widget Head : I understand completely. While I doubt that another scheme will be introduced, perhaps a decal near the nose of each a/c which pays homage to the his
122 DeltaL1011man : like how Delta was "Delta C&S" for two years after the merger Delta N&W? Delta NW?
123 Style : All good points but you know this will be looked at as a double edged sword. Who says the DOJ would even allow such a massive network from a mega-mer
124 JAAlbert : AA is cash rich? Jeez, last time I paid attention it was in debt into the billions and billions of dollars -- so much so that it really can't afford
125 Style : Agreed again Indy. And I don't see DL or NW having a good answer to what I'm sure will be a popular question from lawmakers. I think the AA/TWA trans
126 Post contains images MasseyBrown : You have not. Despite mediocre earnings last year, AMR paid down their total debt by about $3 billion to about $15 billion and held cash steady at ab
127 Post contains images Allstarflyer : It's all speculation, as noted, but for my , I'm all about fleet commonality as best as possible - that said, I'd like to see the fleet types trimmed
128 DL Widget Head : Considering the state of the US Airline industry as a whole (with a few exceptions), the DOJ knows that something has got to be done to stabilize the
129 A480 : If, as I heard, there is indeed a gentleman agreement between Delta and Boeing, such that Delta buys only Boeing aircraft at a substantially discounte
130 Klkla : As a play to keep some or all of the tax breaks. I don't think they want to screw anyone over but one of the major goals of a merger is to reduce red
131 LAXdude1023 : Youre over-simplifing this way too much. An HQ is more valueble than a international route. This isnt going to be a painless merger (assuming it happ
132 Indy : Don't get me wrong. What you just stated in this quote has been my opinion. The line we are being fed is that this is about consolidation and this wi
133 Rampart : How about NW? The old Hughes Airwest system was eventually lost, but the DTW and MEM hubs and their associated spokes were the result of absorbing th
134 Post contains links StasisLAX : Here's more from the U.S. press regarding Doug Steenland's place in the new post-merger regime: "A person, who was not authorized to talk as the nego
135 Hjulicher : As a Detroiter I can tell you that i always try to steer away from connecting in the United States that I would always prefer to connect in Europe (e
136 Post contains images Acey559 : I like the new livery as is, but that would be AWESOME! As an aside, I saw an MD-90 in one of the above pictures, and it made me think of my upcoming
137 Indy : I avoid ATL like the plague. I enjoy going to DTW. Great facility. I'll certainly use it for international travel over ATL. Besides ATL being serious
138 Klkla : I like LAX. It's not as modern as some airports but it's easy and convenient for people that live here. I like that I don't have to park 8 miles away
139 LAXdude1023 : Definately. LAX isnt designed to be an connector from one airline to another, its designed to be an O&D airport. And since we are the #1 O&D airport
140 SFOHORIZON : If both mergers, United and Continental and Delta/Northwest go thru, would AA have any grounds to sue and overturn the DOT's recent Chinese Route Awar
141 Warren747sp : DL should propose merger with both NW and CO and the same time so one huge airline to compete with AA. CO's service and fleet is far superior to that
142 UAL777UK : I thought AA had too many labour issues to worry about this year (Pilot contacts etc). To contemplate even going after another carrier, surely would l
143 NorthstarBoy : On the issue of unions, contracts and integration, two thoughts: Why is assimilation so difficult? for the unionized employees, base seniority strictl
144 Post contains images Rampart : On most recent acquisitions or mergers, thre hasn't been much of a net loss in hubs. I can think of only AA that has closed or largely diminshed a hu
145 FlyPNS1 : No, it hasn't. And even if CVG was profitable six months ago, that doesn't mean it is profitable now. Nor does it mean it will be profitable after a
146 Columba : Why would they get rid of all those Airbus aircraft ? Most of the A330 are brand new and are one of the most economical aircraft around. The fleet wo
147 EMB170 : If anything, I think AA would jump at FL for precisely that reason. Many here have stated that AA now regrets having returned the 717 fleet as they h
148 DL767captain : I don't think DL would completely get rid of the airbus planes right away, but they certainly would not replace any of them with airbus aircraft. The
149 Columba : A330s are all delivered, maybe some A320s but I doubt that.
150 JohnClipper : The DL/PA TATL "merger" is debatable depending on which side you were on. I would not call that one a success so let's call it 3 for 4.
151 Ocracoke : What kind of socialist krap is this? Since when does a government demand that an airliner buy a certain airplane, or they will block the merger? The
152 Alitalia744 : No Airbus a/c will be immediately dumped. Thank You.
153 Post contains links and images SLCUT2777 : I'm sure Minnesota's congressional delegation fully concurs! I think we are getting closer with news like this starting to leak out: http://www.usato
154 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW currently has on order: 18 787's + 50 options ~6 A319/A320s on a perpetually deffered order (that I doubt will ever be delivered & if they are the
155 N501US : Could free up some of the 767-300s DL currently send to PBI/FLL/MCO/LAS/HNL etc etc. (meaning lower yield liesure markets)
156 Atmx2000 : What makes you think the European Commission has any right to block a merger on those grounds? What effects a merger has on suppliers in the aircraft
157 JohnClipper : And I believe it was done at the "11th Hour" as UA was preparing the transfer of services amd first flight.
158 EMB170 : Sorry to burst your Euro-centrism, but if Airbus wanted DL's business, they had every opportunity to compete for it. DL was more than satisfied with
159 727LOVER : With UA/US divesting DCA, how much overlap was with that merger?
160 NA : Northwest has the better fleet, the better name, the better CI. A shame if Delta would be the "winner" of a merger. The only good thing is that a merg
161 COewrAAtysAZ : This is what I hope for. Let us merge w/ AS and gain the west and then use our capabilities to grow the Pacific on our own. AS will be a lot less to
162 Columba : Could be although I would hope for a 747-8I order. Agreed !!
163 Bmacleod : I'm sure DL would relish the 787s NW has on order. 744s could go in favor of 77Ws or just maybe the 748I. EMB-190s to replace rusted out DC-9s. Not su
164 Atmx2000 : What in the world are you talking about? What makes it a better fleet in your eyes? The fact that it has some quads? Once again how exactly is this m
165 Klkla : Probably not. There isn't anything preventing AA from trying to do these same deals. They do have to keep the Chinese flights at the same airports, t
166 Post contains images Surfdog75 : I'm going out on a limb but I think the 107 seat A-318 could be ordered by the combined carrier. A 318/319/320 fleet would be efficient and a great r
167 A380US : WOuld they become the biggest airline in the world?
168 Ckfred : A friend of mine works for AA. If AA had the 717/F100 decision to do over, it would have gotten rid of the F100s and kept the 717s. If AA were to buy
169 RwSEA : It is not the same internationally. NW's A330s are far superior to DL's aging and shabby 767s. Domestically is about a draw. DL is finally sprucing u
170 FFlyer : On-time %? I was just looking at the latest stats, and DL had the best ranking among legacy carriers (overall 7th), while NW was second-to-last just
171 Klkla : If Delta is the surviving/acquiring company the chance of this happening is slim to none. The A318 & 737-600 are not very efficient airplanes for the
172 Surfdog75 : True when you compare individual aircraft against the EMB-190 but more than that will be at play here including simplifying a complicated fleet as mu
173 Klkla : The EMB's are already on firm order by NWA. They're coming no matter what. I hate to say this but if Delta is the surving airline I just don't see th
174 EMB170 : Like I said, AA is kicking themselves over not keeping the old TWA 717 fleet. Granted, they didn't want to maintain the high lease rates that TW had
175 Acey559 : Why would DL get rid of 737-700s when they haven't even taken delivery of them yet? I don't see them replacing the -800s or the 757s either. The -80s
176 LAXdude1023 : I would think that PHX would be something AA would want more than anything from US. This would give AA a great foothold in the west. CLT would be a g
177 WorldTraveler : There are many companies in other industries that have much higher national market share than DL/NW would have. The DOJ is far more interested in loc
178 Surfdog75 : Are you talking about the 175s for Compass or does NWA have 190 orders I don't know about? Compass is going to be a very thorny issue for mainline AL
179 LAXdude1023 : NW and DL both have sizable hub operations in their respective cities. HQ's that size would have more value than a new international route or two. I
180 Fllcontinental : Let's see with CO & UA. United Hubs: SFO, LAX, DEN, ORD, IAD Continental Hubs: IAH, CLE, EWR New Hubs if Merged: SFO, LAX, DEN (maybe), IAH, IAD, EWR
181 Platinumfoota : Sounds good but i would keep ORD. Many choices to fly into and could help alot with weather issues
182 BOStonsox : So does a combined CO/UA join the Star Alliance, or Skyteam? *A seems more likely to me especially if DL/NW goes through. It's too bad none of the CO
183 Post contains links 777fan : IIRC, the UA-US merger was quashed in part because it would've given the new carrier "too large" of a market share. Other than being in the same conc
184 LAXdude1023 : I think that CO/UA would be apart of Star. It would be better. Skyteam would have way too many airlines if UA/CO went that way. Given that UA has a c
185 Flyingcat : To be precise they were going to have a huge amount of share in DCA and IAD. UA bolted at the first bump. They did not even think about amending a th
186 Klkla : They wouldn't for many years. What I am saying is that the next battle that Airbus could win would be the narrow body replacemenet many years down th
187 BOStonsox : I think he means these airports have CO and UA in the same terminal. I think that is going to happen too. Especially since 4 of the Big 6 would end u
188 WorldTraveler : DL serves far more international cities from its hubs than NW does and it is that ability to demonstrate new air service that DL will use to convince
189 Surfdog75 : My point was that the aircraft a connection carrier gets has nothing really to do with the mainline fleet plan. H will freeze over before mainline pi
190 DeltaL1011man : no UA/CO wouldn't get any for a looooooong time (56 weekly flights to China) but DL/NW would only have 14 non-stop and 21 via NRT so ATL-PEK,DTW-PEK
191 WhoopWhoop : done deal. Discussion over.
192 777fan : How ironic considering UA relies on IAD even more so nowadays, while it seems that US RJs are all over DCA. FWIW, their gates at BWI are actually acr
193 MAH4546 : The biggest part of the beef was that it would given them too large a market share in Washington, hence a proposal for the "DC Air" spin-off and AA t
194 BOStonsox : What is it with Valentine's Day and mergers? Oddly enough it was that day last year B6 and 9K hooked up here in BOS with their codeshare. I wonder wha
195 DeltaL1011man : wouldn't bet on it NW needs KL for Europe with NW you fly XXX-MSP/MEM/PDX/BOS/EWR/PDX/SEA/DTW-AMS-XXX DL on the other hand has most (if not all) majo
196 STT757 : Star has better presence at EWR vs JFK. At EWR Star is represented by; Air Canada (YUL 4Xs daily, YYZ 6Xs daily) LOT Polish Airlines (Warsaw) Lufthan
197 Breaker1011 : WT, I'm confused by the above quote. Here's what I find: DL flies (including PVG) now to 6 Asian points. 3 in the east, 3 in the west. 7 total nonsto
198 LAXdude1023 : If we see these mega mergers come about, preference for China routes will probably be given preference to the carriers not associated with them (for
199 DeltaL1011man : i agree i think AA has DTW-China in the bag but i think DL will get more China flights over UA he was just talking about non-stops to Asia in DL is l
200 A380US : but im saying if there was no UA/CO
201 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Im assuming you mean DFW-China. And I agree with you. I think DL/NW would have an easier time getting China routes than UA/CO.
202 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : that is like the 3rd time i have done that but yes i mean DFW-China LAXdude we have been agreeing on alot here lately
203 GayStudPilot : I still agree with DeltaL1011man's comment last week.... DL will be crying over a UA/CO merger.
204 Breaker1011 : I agree, but I'll qualify with "if" there's a UA/CO merger. I think (but I'm not an expert) that there's a bigger regulatory hurdle to get past for a
205 Rwy04LGA : To understand the socialist rationale, you have to understand where he's coming from....literally. I heard that they couldn't wait to get rid of them
206 Breaker1011 : Rwy is right, and EMB is right! By the time the newly ordered 310's came in from Airbus, DL had decided their existing fleet of 310's were garbage, r
207 Flyingcat : Would they really. UA is saddled with a lot more debt than UA. Couple that with hubs that are key LCC growth cities. CO will need a lot more effort t
208 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : after Airbus dropped support and DL found out the 763ER was a far better airplane then they couldn't but at first DL liked them (but they only lasted
209 Post contains links DL Widget Head : Hardly, DL and NW cost structures are about the same. They both achieved a lot more in bankruptcy than UA. Tilton knows this and that they may be in
210 DeltaL1011man : the biggest thing i see with letting CO get UA they get 56 weekly China flights, 22 LHR slots and 18 NRT slots with DL/NW you get 14 non-stop 21 via
211 Breaker1011 : Imagine the amount of booze and therapy they'll need at Centreport IV in DFW to get over that little nugget.
212 IADLHR : Exactly, it makes me wonder if AA will only agree not to protest the mergers if AA/BA can fully merge. I feel sure AA is just waiting to scream and y
213 Post contains images BOStonsox : Okay. So let's say the NW/DL deal goes through, and the AF/KL/AZ deal goes through as well. Skyteam's transatlantic market will be huge! Across the po
214 Breaker1011 : Talk about your long engagements. AA/BA have been asking (actively and inactively) for a full marriage for almost 11 years now. WOW. Makes me feel ol
215 GayStudPilot : hhmm... also seems that a DL/UA merger could allow DL to gain entrance in *A which might enable them to solve their JFK infrastructure challenge via j
216 DL Widget Head : That challenge has been solved...announcements should be made sometime soon.
217 Breaker1011 : I think DL/NW is going to get some form of financial appetizer from AF/KL to prevent just such a thing from ever getting to the dinner table. Funny -
218 Post contains images GayStudPilot : Agree that there will be some level of foreign investment regardless of the combination. At least I used a lower case "j"...
219 Post contains images Breaker1011 : Very brand-integrous you are!
220 Jetjeanes : Given the number of cities Delta serves that Northwest doesnt and vice versa, and with Pinnacle in Memphis, would Atl be able to handle all this traff
221 NWAESC : Why re-open a closed hub when you have existing ones?
222 Paddy : I've heard multiple times that an AA/AS merger is highly impractical if not impossible due to the cost structures at AS. I would assume the same for
223 Bobnwa : Would you care to explain that statement about DL flying to more of East Asia and Asia than NWA. I know you are the head DL cheerleader, but I think
224 WorldTraveler : read the statement- don't paraphrase. DL serves ATLNRT and ATLICN nonstop now and will add ATLPVG in about six weeks. That equals the number of nonst
225 Bobnwa : I did read your statement again and it still says that DL serves more points in Asia than NWA . What am I missing here. List the DL and NW cities and
226 Post contains images Keesje : NAR is a NWA hub and flies to a lot of US destinations. In terms of Asian market capture, volume, corporate contracts, FF's and city pairs, Delta is
227 Paddy : Would it be more useful for a community such as MSP to connect through ATL? Respectfully, I dont undestand what you are getting at here. You are eith
228 Sxf24 : There were two points that you're absolutely missing: 1) DL will serve as many points in EAST Asia as NW 2) DL will serve more Asian destinations non
229 STT757 : Is NRT not a hub for NWA?
230 FFlyer : In his original message about it, WT used the words "more nonstops from US".
231 Bobnwa : Where in the statement made by WorldTraveler that I quoted does it say more destinations from its hubs than NWA. It says" more destinations in Asia t
232 PSU.DTW.SCE : Thinking that DL can sudddenly add 10-20, let alone 5 additional Trans-Atlantic or Trans-Pacific flights from MSP is completely unrealistic. #1 you h
233 JAL : I wonder what move American will do now? Will they too look for merger partners, if so with who? Southwest?
234 IADLHR : My guess is that AA/BA will use this as a means to try and force legislation raising the limits that foreign airlines can have in US carriers. They m
235 Ezra : Does anyone here have some info about this?
236 Alphascan : PDX and ICN for example.
237 LAXdude1023 : Where would it be best that they fly thorugh if not NRT and if its not Nonstop from MSP itself?
238 Breaker1011 : Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but EAST Asia is essentially the Pacific Rim area, right? Last time I checked, it was, thus my orginal question
239 RJ777 : I wonder. Do you think they would announce it BEFORE or AFTER they get approval from Anti-trust regulators?
240 DLPMMM : I doubt that. AA is not in dire need of cash, and they won't bother spending time and money on legislation that they know won't pass congress. That w
241 Paddy : I don't see them merging with any LCC as the cost structures are way out of whack. I dont think WN will merge with any legacy, they dont have to. I a
242 LAXdude1023 : That is correct. Thats why the statement that DL serves as many destinations as NW in East Asia is horribly incorrect. DL serves: ICN, NRT, and PVG.
243 Post contains images PHLBOS : With regards to AA/TW: while it had envisioned at least the 'concept' of Two Great Airlines - One Great Future, reality turned out completely differe
244 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : *Yawn* I see the Haters are out in force today. Good - a sensible post. Deary me. You really dont like us Europeans do you? Damn - that is a very fin
245 LAXdude1023 : Interestingly enough, Im more worried about CVG than MEM. MEM is further west while CVG is right in the middle of ATL and DTW (almost halfway between
246 IADLHR : First off the current president is from Texas. AA is headquartered in Texas. Secondly, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson R-Texas is married to a lawyer t
247 Post contains images SNCntry32 : I have mentioned that in other threads. The customs area is so small as it is, and only gates G1-G4 can handle the international departures IIRC. I t
248 Atmx2000 : Senators can only hold up laws and other things that require Senate approval. Mergers generally don't. Anyway CO is headquartered in Texas as well. B
249 SeeTheWorld : Combined domestic revenues (most important for regulators) for DL/NW and CO/UA are very similar as well as amount of overlap. If one is approved, it'
250 OA412 : OT but most people wouldn't label BKK, SIN, SPN, or GUM as East Asia.
251 Post contains images AS777 : So I have to put my in here! I realize with all this merger mania everyone is trying to pair up everyone. But AS? Really? In my eyes they are PERFECT.
252 Breaker1011 : I'll bite - since for purposes of Asian cities, most on here talk in terms of east versus west (primarily as in trans-Atlantic versus trans-Pacific),
253 Post contains images RwSEA : HKG, BOM and DEL maybe, PEK/TPE very unlikely. Sounds like advance bookings on ATL-PVG are extremely poor (although this is more of a business route
254 Rampart : Again off topic, but "Southeast Asia" is in common use referring to Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Burma, Brunei, etc. "South Asia" includes
255 Mariner : Oceania, perhaps? mariner
256 Bobnwa : What would most people in the world label them, if not Asia or East Asia?
257 Klkla : Isn't that the point of them buying NWA? ATL is not geograpgically suited to be a primary hub to Asia, BUT Delta's operation is so big there that man
258 SNCntry32 : Any one in the MSP area catch the 6pm Kare11 newscast?
259 Jetlanta : Well said. Keep in mind also, that the combined hubs of DL/NW, though perhaps smaller O&D markets than CO/UA would have, are much less competitive an
260 Post contains links SNCntry32 : http://wcco.com/business/northwest.a...rlines.consolidation.2.649421.html Things are starting to get ugly... Jim Obestar is very clear on his stance o
261 WorldTraveler : which is precisely why DL wants to get this deal done. Oberstar cannot stop a merger and other than the prospect of losing a HDQ, there is no evidenc
262 Rwy04LGA : WE care, and you will too! BTW....will you be changing your username to 'Bobdl? Bur we're getting closer! They'll keep them as long as NW has kept th
263 JetJeanes : Didnt some of Nw,s dc-9s orginally come from Delta after mergeing with republic or southern who had purchased some of Deltas Dc-9s,, So are they kind
264 Sxf24 : DL serves the same number of Asian destinations non-stop from the US, which was the crux of the original post. If you throw in India and the Middle E
265 Indy : I think there are going to be a number of people trying to block it. Getting this one past the regulators will be difficult.
266 Like2flyguy : Back to a headquarters question: We've talked about where we feel the combined DL/NW Headquarters might be, but what about their Operations Control? T
267 Exusair : Although US has been quiet on this deal saying that they are sitting on the sidelines and watching the game play, I would not be surprised if they cam
268 WorldTraveler : no one except people on a.net have said that any hubs will close. People like Jetlanta and I have argued strongly that DL will not close ANY hubs or
269 SNCntry32 : No, things are getting ugly NOW. You dont uderstand I think. Things are getting ugly right now, even before the new administration.
270 GriffAir : The plan for a new US operations facility near PIT, I am sure, was based on great cost effectiveness, and maybe, a "we owe you one". While the airlin
271 NYC2theworld : I would hope that that is the industry standard...but you never know!
272 DLPMMM : I think you don't understand. The politicians like Obestar cannot do a thing to stop the merger. They will use the opportunity to do televised press
273 Paddy : Could you please elaborate? Maybe some links?
274 Breaker1011 : I couldnt have said it better. Love the phrase DLPMMM.
275 Post contains links SNCntry32 : Just watched the news and Obestar was very outspoken and some business are calling for more service if they do merge. I dont know, I just cant invisi
276 Breaker1011 : Given his committee position (ie - talking about airlines and transportation is pretty much his #1 job in Congress), if Oberstar didn't publicly bust
277 SNCntry32 : No, I agree with you in the respect he dosent, but he is on a commite that I think would have some control over it. Weather or not this comitee is fo
278 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : best bet for MN is that the DOJ finds some kind of monopoly but even then i don't think this one will get stopped very little overlap i think he was
279 Breaker1011 : The way I undertand the committee process, the transportation committee itself is designed to oversee existing and new legislation on transportation
280 DeltaL1011man : agreed I'm getting sick of the ATC problems (along with other things) hope it will get better soon though
281 JAL : What about Continental? You guys think AA might look for a deal with them?
282 DeltaL1011man : wait do you mean AA/WN or CO/WN? i don't think the DOJ would let this one go with hubs a DAL/DFW or DAL/IAH
283 Klkla : What you are saying is almost true... but it isn't dying, it's just diminishing in size. But by buying NWA's Asian network Delta will get what is RIG
284 MasseyBrown : Don't underestimate Oberstar's influence. Committee chairmen, especially in the House, are gods. His committee is called Transportation and Infrastru
285 JAL : Well, AA will have to respond they can't just sit around while their rivals gets bigger!
286 Reggaebird : Well, the only thing left is AA/US. That would be ugly IMHO.
287 Flyingcat : They will call for hearings, but like all things the real analysis will be at the DOJ. He wants them there but they will give the same answers as bef
288 Post contains links SNCntry32 : http://www.startribune.com/business/13191901.html So, if the DOJ investigated the effects of the Midwest buyout where NW was a passive investor, why
289 Flyingcat : They have to scrutinize but Oerstar cannot get them to do it publicly in his hearing, which he wishes they will. Details are never released in front
290 Sxf24 : It would be over today if NW had the right aircraft. Even as the interport network dies, the success of non-stop flights will be built on NW's strong
291 Alphascan : Oh please. The only ones clamoring for consolidation are those who stand to gain millions in personal wealth and a few A.neters with a size fetish.
292 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : don't worry the DoJ will look at it but they most likely will not stop it.
293 Mariner : You got that right. This present Merger Mania is upending all the standard rules of business. mariner
294 Klkla : Very true and the combined carriers will soon have 18 787's and at least 8 777-200LRs to make it all come true. I'm not so sure about that. If anythi
295 DeltaL1011man : plus the 50 options NW has for the 787s and the 20 options DL has for the 77Ls and the best part is DL's 787s would have RRs on them i bet that makes
296 Mariner : Some of 'em - Mr. Parker and Mr. Tilton, say - have been seeing it for a lot longer than that. And perhaps the folk at Continental, who were discussi
297 Post contains links and images Alitalia744 : More fuel to the fire.... "Delta, Northwest Focus On Joint Pilot Contract" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1202...d=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo&apl=y&r=700598 "
298 Indy : If this merger goes through the LCCs have just earned themselves a new customer. I will not do business with the new merged carrier. Looks like its t
299 MasseyBrown : You left out Stage 4. Industry stagnates. Labor cost go through the roof. Expansion stops. Return on investment declines. Technical advances cease. T
300 Indy : With competition comes accountability. Like management being held accountable for poor ticket pricing. Its like they won't grow a pair of round ones
301 RedTailDTW : I think it is time that we start a part two of this thread. It has gotten quite long..... Here is my two cents: I think that a merger between NW and D
302 Post contains links Srbmod : Please continue the discussion here: Delta-Northwest May Announce Merger Next Week PT 2 (by Srbmod Feb 9 2008 in Civil Aviation)
303 777fan : Given the current state of carriers here in the US, it's likely that both mergers would go through because if they didn't, it wouldn't be long before
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