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Primaris To Launch All-Business-Class Carrier  
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26147 posts, RR: 50
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

Seems to be endless stream of folks willing to pour money into airlines, concept proven or not.

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Primaris Airlines to Take Wing
New Funding Fuels All-Business-Class Carrier

SAN FRANCISCO, Feb. 6 /PRNewswire/ -- Today, Primaris Airlines, Inc. and Americasia Holdings Limited have announced the signing of a contract for an initial funding of almost $100 million for a new higher-service, lower-cost scheduled airline between the East and West Coasts of the United States and, ultimately, across the Pacific to Asia.

"We recognized a real need for this kind of professional-quality, executive-friendly, truly-economical product," says Mark Morris, CEO of Primaris, "and so we are stepping into the breach. Our partners at Americasia Holdings share our total commitment and have agreed to serve as lead investor in a much larger funding program."

Primaris will be a "one-class/business-class" airline with extra room, on- board communications technology and personal service. "Our goal is to be your office in the air," says Morris.

Story;
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080206/nyw125.html?.v=101


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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1976 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

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User currently offlineMrBrightSide From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Yeah, PrivatAir tanked so badly that they're ordering B787s... and now running services for LH, OU, LX and KL. SilverJet is expanding into Dubai and then moving onwards...

I would take PrivatAir every day from NYC to Europe. Try their service, then comment. I love C-only planes, and judging by the fact that I started flying them in 2006 with half-empty planes, and now it is hard to find a seat on EWR-DUS... won't go into ORD-MUC...



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26147 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

Big difference -- PrivatAir operates for others whom take the risk, they are not any different then a basic ACMI charter operator

Silverjet 'moving onwards'? well there are big questions mark about them currently
Silverjet "doomed To Fail" - Analyst (by LAXintl Jan 15 2008 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

This isn't exactly new news. Primaris announced their intent to do a business only service years ago.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26147 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Ya but they finally managed to convince some one to foot $100mil for their dreams.


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User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

This madness will stop once investors get tired of pouring money into airlines and seeing it dwindle to nothing. After all, anyone can conceptualize an airline, but it takes hundreds of millions of dollars to get it up and running. Then again, failed investments in airlines have been going on for years and yet they still continue. Investors never cease to amaze me sometimes.

User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Wow this is a gret idea.
too bad it'll never happen



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User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Does this mean that they aren't going to be offering LAS service after all???  Wink

User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

I'll believe Primaris actually has an airline in the air once I see them in bankruptcy court.


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3724 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 9):
I'll believe Primaris actually has an airline in the air once I see them in bankruptcy court.

Intelligent comment. Should I bother link pictures of the aircraft they are flying today? Not to mention, that they have been flying for several years. Their original 757 was the main press plane for the Bush campaign in 2004.

I think they really just need to stay in thier little niche of doing charter work.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12877 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3701 times:
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I expect they'll use those 787s they ordered a while back.  duck 


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3648 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 11):
I expect they'll use those 787s they ordered a while back.

It's hard to imagine that Boeing was so hard up for 787 orders they made a really big deal of the Primaris 787 LOI back then. How times have changed!!!  Smile



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12877 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3540 times:
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Quoting Kappel (Reply 12):
Boeing was so hard up for 787 orders they made a really big deal of the Primaris 787 LOI back then.

I suspect Boeing knew there was 0% chance of the deal going through, but the publicity served its purpose.



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3421 times:



Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 6):
This madness will stop once investors get tired of pouring money into airlines and seeing it dwindle to nothing.

History has already shown that this will never happen. The old joke 'How do you become a millionaire in the airline business? You start with a billion' will never lose its relevance.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Maxjet aircraft maybe ?

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3390 times:



Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 10):
I think they really just need to stay in thier little niche of doing charter work.

Agreed. Far too many of these "Business/First class only" airlines have come and gone. Bad idea, especially in the US where the business market right now is less than stellar.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3364 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
a new higher-service, lower-cost scheduled airline between the East and West Coasts of the United States

Just to play along.. I wonder where they will go with this concept? United already had NYC-LA/SFO covered with the ps service.. They won't be able to compete with AA to MIA so that would be stupid. and the same with DL in ATL..

Therefore, all that's left that is worth flying is PHL, BOS, WAS, RDU, CLT, FLL, and TPA.. and most of those markets dod not hold well for an all business carrier.. even if it is low cost..



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User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3308 times:



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Apart from this emotional one-liner, I have been following this airline for a while, I notice that Primaris Airlines is a quite invisable and slow growing airline with a confusing corporate identity policy which doesn't help the airline looking reliable. Is this an understatement?


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3065 times:

As they are based in Las Vegas si there any link with Familyairlines??

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3038 times:

Damn, I really need to come up with some wicked, unrealistic business plan for a biz-only airline, I could sure use a few millions of investment on my bank account in Switzerland  Silly .

User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2855 times:



Quoting MrBrightSide (Reply 2):
Yeah, PrivatAir tanked so badly that they're ordering B787s... and now running services for LH, OU, LX and KL. SilverJet is expanding into Dubai and then moving onwards...

#1: PrivatAir's base operations are in the high and ultra high end charter market of Europe and that is where the 787s are going.

#2: Their airline services are contracted by the respected airlines.

#3: Just because SilverJet is planning to expand, doesn't mean they are stable.



This is Primaris's 2nd time trying to launch an airline out of their company.


User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Up until just a few weeks ago, the Primaris web site showed them flying all over Europe and the US in 2007. It never happend.

When I was working for AWA, we did lease our FA training equipment to Primaris. They drove down from LAS, trained their FAs and drove back.

Just while I was working with them on the FA training, they changed the Director of FAs 3 times.

Now it seems as though they might be moving some offices into Scottsdale, they just had a crew scheduler position posted there.

This airline has been a mess since its start up. Their a/c never got the configuration they said they would. They were all hyped up about a uniform that turned out to be basic navy blues. I am personally suprised they have made it this long, but somehow they have.

Now they have some crazy investor trying to perform a miracle.


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