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Kingfisher's Livery On Airbusses Looks Stiff. Why?  
User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 962 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

The red on the Kingfisher's Airbus tailfins is cropped at the front which makes the tail looking stiff (less gracious), especially on the A345. Why are the Kingfisher Airbus tailfins not in line with the rest of its fleet?


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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6843 times:

Not sure many people would notice really. What I would say is that the logo is a little bit too fussy though. It's a bit difficult to work out what it is from a distance.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

On a side note, I never really noticed that "First" in front of the KF logo. What does that stand for?

Quoting Babybus (Reply 1):
What I would say is that the logo is a little bit too fussy though. It's a bit difficult to work out what it is from a distance.

Still one of the best liveries around IMHO.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineClydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6714 times:

No Comment to make about the Airbus but that B727 looks Cool, i didn't know about it.

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6715 times:
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Quoting Kappel (Reply 2):
On a side note, I never really noticed that "First" in front of the KF logo. What does that stand for?

I think its for the FIRST A345 KF gets... But correct me if I am wrong...

And yes, the tail logo looks a little different but I guess the "normal" costumer wont recognize  Wink

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User currently offlineVictor009 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6600 times:

I Guess " First " means that aircraft has a first class . 3 class layout.

Their A321's are called Kingliners and A320's with business class are called "First".

correct me if i am wrong too, but thats what i have noticed.

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6573 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 4):
I think its for the FIRST A345 KF gets... But correct me if I am wrong...

The a320 pictured by the OP has that too!

Quoting Victor009 (Reply 5):
I Guess " First " means that aircraft has a first class . 3 class layout.

IIRC the a320 does not have a 3 class layout, but two class, I could be mistaken of course...

Quoting OwlEye (Thread starter):
The red on the Kingfisher's Airbus tailfins is cropped at the front which makes the tail looking stiff (less gracious), especially on the A345. Why are the Kingfisher Airbus tailfins not in line with the rest of its fleet?

I think it's also because of the size of the aircraft. It has more white, which makes the red seem a bit cropped up IMHO.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6565 times:
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Quoting Kappel (Reply 6):
The a320 pictured by the OP has that too!

I guess I was wrong then  Wink It was just a guess.... I better not play the lottery, i will lose as well Big grin

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User currently offlineVictor009 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

"First" not neccesirly means 3 class layout, i guess KF calls the business class in A320 "First".

Thats what i meant, i know A320 has no 3 clas config.

Their A319 are mostly 1 class layout
A320 with 1 class and 2 class "FIRST" and ATR

but A340-500 will have 3 class config and I guess these birds will fly BLR-SFO-BLR, JFK, etc etc

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User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6303 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 6):
I think it's also because of the size of the aircraft. It has more white, which makes the red seem a bit cropped up IMHO.

Thanks for the comment but it's not which I meant to say. Watch the tailfin of the Kingfisher A345. The red doesn't go along the front point of the tailfin, it's painted white. I do not understand why that is done. It makes the Airbus tailfins looking soo stiff comparing with the ATR and 727.... Singapore Airlines' tail looks stiff too but in a different way.

It looks soo unnatural, harming the shapes of the plane itself:

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/OwleyeOwleye/KingfisherTail.jpg


User currently offlineMP From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6250 times:

Referring to the KF website, I think Kingfisher First is their domestic Business Class.

http://www.flykingfisher.com/KingfisherFirst/index.asp

I guess that the A340-500 will have a 3-class configuration with a longhaul First Class. Dr. Vijay Mallya stated last year, when he signed the contract for the A340-500 in Hannover, that their "A340-500 will have a unique configuration, giving passengers extra space and comfort on their long haul flights".

So my guess is, that the First-logo on the fuselage refers to their new longhaul First Class product.

Quoting OwlEye (Thread starter):
The red on the Kingfisher's Airbus tailfins is cropped at the front which makes the tail looking stiff (less gracious), especially on the A345. Why are the Kingfisher Airbus tailfins not in line with the rest of its fleet?

Maybe this crop was made to keep the design more straight and less round. But anyway, I got nmo idea why they paint it like that. It might has an aesthetic reason to keep the front white.


User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6188 times:

What's with that ATR-72 in Atlanta? Is this the new 25-stop flight BLR-ATL, or is it a delivery flight doing the shortcut via ATL?


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User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6173 times:



Quoting MP (Reply 10):
It might has an aesthetic reason to keep the front white.

Mmmm, they achieved the opposite imo. The 'cropped' painted Kingfisher Airbus tailfin look like a steep and stiff looking Tu-214 fin.


User currently offlineMontereytom From Greece, joined May 2007, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6121 times:

I hope this doesn't sound irrelevant but where is the A345 going to fly,did they aquire a licence for long-haul travel from the Indian Authorities?


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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6084 times:



Quoting OwlEye (Reply 9):
Thanks for the comment but it's not which I meant to say. Watch the tailfin of the Kingfisher A345. The red doesn't go along the front point of the tailfin, it's painted white. I do not understand why that is done. It makes the Airbus tailfins looking soo stiff comparing with the ATR and 727.... Singapore Airlines' tail looks stiff too but in a different way.

It looks soo unnatural, harming the shapes of the plane itself:

I made the same observation, and share your opinion. I'd be interested in whether there was a specific "reason" for either airline to make this choice.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5958 times:



Quoting OwlEye (Reply 9):
Thanks for the comment but it's not which I meant to say. Watch the tailfin of the Kingfisher A345. The red doesn't go along the front point of the tailfin, it's painted white. I do not understand why that is done. It makes the Airbus tailfins looking soo stiff comparing with the ATR and 727.... Singapore Airlines' tail looks stiff too but in a different way.

It looks soo unnatural, harming the shapes of the plane itself:

I see what you mean, and I agree. I never really liked the way SQ "cut off" the tail colours at the bottom, like it's not finished. The same applies I guess with IT's tail.

Quoting Montereytom (Reply 13):
I hope this doesn't sound irrelevant but where is the A345 going to fly,did they aquire a licence for long-haul travel from the Indian Authorities?

AI will wet-lease them for a while and IIRC IT can use Air Deccan's certificate to fly abroad.



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User currently offlineTonyban From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

The Kingfisher A340 is the sexiest looking plane I have ever seen. Does anyone have pics of the cabin crew ??

User currently offlineSFOnative From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

The Hummingbird logo does look a bit "decalish" too me and hard to recognize from a distance. But I am very excited to soon be seeing this punch of color on the tarmac here at SFO!  smile 

User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5612 times:



Quoting SFOnative (Reply 17):
The Hummingbird logo

Er excuse me? What airline are we talking about here!?



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User currently offlineMP From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5313 times:



Quoting OwlEye (Reply 12):
Mmmm, they achieved the opposite imo. The 'cropped' painted Kingfisher Airbus tailfin look like a steep and stiff looking Tu-214 fin.

You're right. Propably there's a very simple answer to our questions. But, I don't know the guys who painted the A/C's. Anyway, I would like to know the sense in cropping those tail paints. Somehow, I actually like it how they did it.

Maybe it's a case for the X-Files  Smile


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5273 times:



Quoting RedChili (Reply 11):
What's with that ATR-72 in Atlanta? Is this the new 25-stop flight BLR-ATL, or is it a delivery flight doing the shortcut via ATL?

It was an ATR sales tour visiting several U.S. airlines. They used an aircraft not yet delivered to Kingfisher.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 1):
What I would say is that the logo is a little bit too fussy though.

I believe advertising of alcoholic beverages is not permitted in India so they want the livery on their aircraft to look as much as possible like the livery on bottles and cans of Kingfisher beer.


User currently offlineKanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3864 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5022 times:
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I think the problem is the logo is not centered fore and aft. On the ATR and 727 the logo is entered and looks much more balanced.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20342 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Also, you could paint the 727 in puce and pink and it would still look good.

User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

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User currently offlineSankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Should be noted, the 727 is part of Vijay Mallya's / United Breweries' corporate fleet. Does not fly for the scheduled passenger airline.

25 Nimish : Initially Kingfisher started off as a single class LCC style operation, but quickly realized that they needed to move to a "full service carrier" and
26 Post contains images Kappel : OK, thanks a lot. I disagree with the 721, but agree with the 722. The 722 is much sleeker IMHO than the 721, which looks a bit stubby.
27 Post contains images FlyboyOz : Yes, it's still smiliar to the QF livery (new and old). I guess it's cos of Airbus design. I remember i read somewhere that the QF new livery is suita
28 Post contains images OwlEye : Look how smooth the red of TAM follows the tailfin compared with the chopped red tail of Kingfisher...
29 Post contains images SFOnative : See, this proves my point! I have never seen the logo up close, so it was hard to tell what kind of feathered friend it was!
30 HAWK21M : Thats VJMs earlier private jet. I think the Dorsal fin has not been painted yet probably due communication error.Won't be surprised if it was when it
31 777way : Some other airlines also had these Kingfisher style tails but only on A310, in their case they were even cutoff from the bottom Jes Air and PIA were t
32 Cloudyapple : Except that you don't need to get up close to know it's a kingfisher on the tail because the airline is called Kingfisher.
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