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If DL/NW Merge...could WN Start Service To MSP?  
User currently offlineMSPDL From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Just a thought..

With a combined airline of DL/NW could we see more competition in MSP or ATL what about CVG? Could WN start invading forbidden territories?

Talk amongst yourselves...

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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3679 times:



Quoting MSPDL (Thread starter):
Could WN start invading forbidden territories?

MSP's version of WN=SY...

Nuff said.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3607 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 1):
MSP's version of WN=SY...

Nuff said.

Not hardly though. WN could buyout SY if they REALLY wanted to. Plus both airlines serve slightly different types of travelers.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3591 times:



Quoting MSPDL (Thread starter):
With a combined airline of DL/NW could we see more competition in MSP or ATL what about CVG? Could WN start invading forbidden territories?

A combined DL/NW would be even larger in MSP, so why would that encourage WN to start service there?


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

Not sure I understand the logic of WN begining service to MSP if there is a DL/NW merger...in fact MSP will become even a bigger fortress and harder for WN to penetrate. Id think you see opportunites open up in CVG and MEM for WN.

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3543 times:
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Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 1):
MSP's version of WN=SY...

Nuff said.

How so? SY is very very small, offers few flights to few destinations, and doesn't offer connections. SY is no WN.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
Not sure I understand the logic of WN begining service to MSP if there is a DL/NW merger...in fact MSP will become even a bigger fortress and harder for WN to penetrate. Id think you see opportunites open up in CVG and MEM for WN

I'd have to agree, as much as I'd love to see WN in MSP.


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3535 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 5):
How so? SY is very very small, offers few flights to few destinations, and doesn't offer connections. SY is no WN.

True, but they want to have 20 738's. And the few destinations they serve, they are very successful on.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9235 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

I also don't think WN will be serving MSP any time soon because of the size of NW there. I don't know about MSP getting larger after the merger, but it will definitely remain a hub. That's just a given. That being said, I think WN is going to want to steer clear of this market, at least for now. Unless they have O&D numbers there like what PHL has...

I think it would be neat to see WN in MSP tho, with service to MDW, LAS, BWI, MCO, and FLL.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

The thing about MSP is that WN is not very strong in the upper midwest, and WN likes to open cities with relatively short-haul flights. MDW is an obvious choice, but CHI-MSP is a bloodbath (particularly with FL in there), and beyond that there aren't many obvious cities to explore. DEN might be an option, but you're dealing with 3 carriers on the route. One of STL and MCI would probably work. But the choices are a lot thinner than in other parts of the country.


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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 938 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3278 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 5):
How so? SY is very very small, offers few flights to few destinations, and doesn't offer connections. SY is no WN

Not in that sense, but SY is in effect MSP's WN in that they offer a solid amount of flights at a (usually) discounted rate to the alternatives and they are far more convenient than NW, etc. as well. However, I would venture to guess SY right now serves more destinations from MSP than WN ever will from MSP, so if we're just talking about MSP I dunno where 'few' comes from.

As said before, no chance there will be any openings at MSP.



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User currently offline737DAB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3231 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
I also don't think WN will be serving MSP any time soon because of the size of NW there

That didn't stop them with US at PHL, UA and F9 at DEN, UA at SFO, NW at DTW and it wouldn't stop them at MSP if the demand is there.



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User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3188 times:



Quoting 737DAB320 (Reply 10):
That didn't stop them with US at PHL, UA and F9 at DEN, UA at SFO, NW at DTW and it wouldn't stop them at MSP if the demand is there.

But where would would WN go?

NW and DL are already a the Lindbergh terminal and the Airport authority is planning to move all non Skyteam airlines to Humphrey when additional gates there are finished.

In the case of all the airports you listed the airport autothority had excess gates under their control or the major hubbed airline was in bankruptcy and divested themselves of some gates.

MSP and DTW are strong fortress hubs with new airline service only coming out of new gates (expensive) or free gates (spotty scheduling wise) at the "everyone else" terminal.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3161 times:
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Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 11):
But where would would WN go?



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
The thing about MSP is that WN is not very strong in the upper midwest

Those both are the two things that are keeping WN out of MSP.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
I think it would be neat to see WN in MSP tho, with service to MDW, LAS, BWI, MCO, and FLL.

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If NW was to ever reduce the size of the MSP hub after the merger or something happened to SY, I think WN would offer a token presence at MSP, similar to what they have in DTW. However I don't expect NW to reduce MSP if the NW/DL merger goes thru.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3129 times:



Quoting 737DAB320 (Reply 10):

That didn't stop them with US at PHL, UA and F9 at DEN, UA at SFO, NW at DTW and it wouldn't stop them at MSP if the demand is there.

What makes them different is..

US-PHL They were in BK and ready to die and WN thought entering PHL would kill US off.

UA/F9 at DEN- More so the cost was lower to operate at DEN and the flights at UA were reduced significantly, same as SFO also.

NW/DTW WN is in no way huge at ALL in DTW. NW definetly owns DTW and WN doesn't have a strong presence there whatsoever

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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9235 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3095 times:



Quoting 737DAB320 (Reply 10):
That didn't stop them with US at PHL, UA and F9 at DEN, UA at SFO, NW at DTW and it wouldn't stop them at MSP if the demand is there.

I thought I hinted at something like that with:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
I think WN is going to want to steer clear of this market, at least for now. Unless they have O&D numbers there like what PHL has...



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 12):
I think WN would offer a token presence at MSP, similar to what they have in DTW.

That is my thinking as well. As I said above in reply 7, I guess it depends on what the local market is like up there. If there's enough of one, perhaps WN could offer token service to large markets like MDW, LAS, MCO, FLL, or even LAX. I don't know if MSP could become another PHL or DEN tho...



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2926 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
NW/DTW WN is in no way huge at ALL in DTW. NW definetly owns DTW and WN doesn't have a strong presence there whatsoever

 checkmark  Given that they couldn't use DET if Detroit was a new city today, I wonder if WN would open DTW as a new station today. It's not wildly successful for them by any means, but then again, IAD was opened fairly recently and isn't huge (or really growing) either.



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