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AS Ending SNA-OAK  
User currently offlineAvi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2004 times:
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Got an email today from AS saying that they are ending SNA-OAK service. looks like WN has pushed another airline out of a market. AS was the only affordable F service from SNA to the bay area. UA and AA into SFO are incredibly expensive in Y or F. just add this to the list of reasons why I hate WN.


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6143 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Yes we are ending the OAK-SNA service and OAK-PDX will only have one daily AS flight. The other PDX flights will be QX CR7's. But its exciting that SFO-SEA will see the addition of flights (From 6 to 8 daily). We will be offering service every 2 hrs. between SFO-SEA and LAX-SEA (up to 16 daily I think). The aircraft from OAK were needed to accomplish this and OAK-SNA has not been doing very well from what I was told. A very smart move and quick response to the newby airline with the red tails.

ASSFO.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

It's called competition--apparently there are more people preferring lower fares than there are willing to pay the "incredibly expensive" Y or F fares on United/American, or whatever Alaska is/was charging.

I wonder if the folks paying the lower fares have the same hatred of Southwest that you seem to. I kind of doubt it...  Wink


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Enter the California north-south market at your own risk...the state is a graveyard of airlines that have tried to move in on United and PSA...er, excuse me...Southwest...

Frontier tried...Alaska has tried (with some success)...USAir thought it could...AA is back, despite dismantling AirCal AND RenoAir...what other carcasses could be found?

The business contracts alone keep WN and UA afloat in the state, shuttling hundreds of employees of big companies like Hewlett Packard back and forth between the bay area and SoCal. Because this leaves a smaller number of seats available for "ultra-low-super-duper-special" low fares, the airlines can command premium prices.



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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

For 4 years I flew almost monthly to Portland from Oakland. The flight always originated in SNA. I am sorry to see the Oakland-Portland route turned over mainly to RJs. It appears that AS is creating a fortress at SEA. Is Virgin on the horizon?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

This news was posted last month
Alaska Getting Rid Of SNA-OAK? (by Socalatc Jan 12 2008 in Civil Aviation)

Yes the CA corridor is a hard market, however can't really blame AS as OAK-SNA was not a core route route for them and certainly not one worth fighting over especially when its resources can be used in other areas namely trying to fend of the new comer to SEA with a red tail.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25268 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
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Quoting AS739X (Reply 1):
Yes we are ending the OAK-SNA service and OAK-PDX will only have one daily AS flight.

Any clues as to what will happen to the SNA slots - will Alaska retain them for another route?

TIA

mariner



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6143 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1736 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):

Unfortunately I was on vacation when Bill was at SFO? I have yet to find the answer on that. We have all been scratching our heads. But other then a few additional PDX/SEA flights, we may just give them up.

ASSFO



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1664 times:



Quoting DesertAir (Reply 4):
Is Virgin on the horizon?

They're starting LAX/SFO-SEA, if that's what you were asking. I don't think anyone thinks that they'll add any other spokes to SEA (unless plans drastically change).


User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

These slots will be returned to the airport and I guess airlines will start applying for them. Im wondering if Alaska could have given them to QX or if QX would have to apply for them like any other airline??

Alaska made a smart move here, Beefing up LAX-SEA to compete with VX was vital. Alaska will operate a LAX-SEA flight every hour and match the price of VX. It will be interesting to see how long VX stays on this route.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
Any clues as to what will happen to the SNA slots - will Alaska retain them for another route?



User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1613 times:



Quoting Socalatc (Reply 9):
Im wondering if Alaska could have given them to QX or if QX would have to apply for them like any other airline??

QX could operate at SNA tomorrow if it wished as long as parking is available at is proposed times. Commuter ops, and those aircraft which can qualify for class E ops (exempt for being below 93.5cnel) do not count towards the 85 daily Class-A operations at the airport, however due count towards the annual passenger cap which is getting dangerously close to being reached.



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