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Air France A320 In DTW Today  
User currently offlineORDZW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9710 times:

I was in DTW today and happened to see an Air France A320 taxiing by the terminal.

After further research, I discovered that it arrived from YYZ and continued to ROW.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR383V

I am assuming that it is flying to its final resting place, or possibly being stored before someone else picks it up. Anyone know anything about previous stops or the future of this aircraft?

Unusual to see an international narrow-body in DTW!


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User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9448 times:

I saw it parked on A6 (YYZ T3) last night and was wondering what was going on. Just odd to see. I see from your flighaware link that there is another today.

User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9430 times:

Anyone know the serial number?

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

My guess would be that this is one of the older A320-100s being retired.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9398 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
My guess would be that this is one of the older A320-100s being retired.

What would be the age?



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9383 times:

The first A320 delivered to AF was F-GFKA on 3/26/1988.

User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9322 times:



Quoting ORDZW (Thread starter):
I am assuming that it is flying to its final resting place, or possibly being stored before someone else picks it up.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
My guess would be that this is one of the older A320-100s being retired.

Which would lead me in asking why an airline would use airports such as DTW and YYZ for ferry flights? Not to mention why YYZ and then a short hop to DTW? I would assume that they used YYZ for a fuel/tech stop and then DTW to clear customs?



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User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9161 times:

I have flown on F-GFKA five times. It used to be called "Ville de Paris" when Air France named their A320 fleet after European cities. I believe the city names have now disappeared on most if not all of their A320s. I still find it sad that AF doesn't name their planes like their partner KL does or like most other major European carriers: LH, SK, OS, SR, AZ, IB and TP.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9116 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
My guess would be that this is one of the older A320-100s being retired.

That would be mine assumption, too.



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9089 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 6):
Which would lead me in asking why an airline would use airports such as DTW and YYZ for ferry flights?

Using airports served by an airline (or its partners) makes ground handling easier (no need to contract ground handling XYZ at airport 123).
Also, using these airports makes exchanging crew of the ferry flight easier: No need to shuttle the crews to a remote airport.
Overall, it might be worth the higher fees imposed by those airports.
-HT



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User currently offlinePlobax From France, joined Jan 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8712 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 9):

yeah, probably these guys at Air France are not completely stupid. They manage to run a big airline and make profits.


User currently offlineLHRlocal From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

Why do airlines seem to retire all their aircraft in the US? I cant think of any storage sights in Europe like Mojave etc off the top of my head.... Surely if theres money to be made on spare parts etc it would make sense to have somewhere like that in Europe? Anybody know the reason?

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8526 times:



Quoting LHRlocal (Reply 11):
Why do airlines seem to retire all their aircraft in the US? I cant think of any storage sights in Europe like Mojave etc off the top of my head.... Surely if theres money to be made on spare parts etc it would make sense to have somewhere like that in Europe? Anybody know the reason?

A small hint: How is the typical weather at the place you live in ? And then think of how the typical weather is in a desert ...

Voila !
There hardly is a place in Europe that is dry year round and moisture is a stored aircraft's worst enemy.

Just think of all the military aircraft stored on AMARC (or whatever this is called at present), part of (and annex to) DM (Davis-Monthan) AFB in Tucson, AZ ...
That location was selected specifically fot the weather.
-HT



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8194 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
My guess would be that this is one of the older A320-100s being retired.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
The first A320 delivered to AF was F-GFKA on 3/26/1988.

The first A320-100 delivered to AF is indeed F-GFKA (msn 5). It is also the very first A320 delivered to an airline and to operate a commercial flight.
However, Air France is currently operating two even older A320-100 : F-GFKQ (msn 2) and F-GGEG (msn 3). They operated their first flight sooner than KA as they were used by Airbus for tests fights before being delivered to AF (KQ) and IT (Air Inter, EG).

The A320 seen at DTW, on its way to ROW is most probably an Orly-based aircraft, ex-Air Inter.

[Edited 2008-02-08 13:24:36]

User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

The aircraft in question is F-GHQA (msn 33), not the historic "KA". It is, perhaps surprisingly, a -211. All 13 AF -111s remain in service for now (out of interest, wehn does AF plan to withdraw the -100s?), and are now the only ones in the world flying since BA retired theirs last year.

However, I heard that F-GHQA is merely changing operator and not heading to the Budweiser plant (yet). Can anyone confirm?

Saludos!

ZXV



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6138 times:



Quoting LVZXV (Reply 14):
However, I heard that F-GHQA is merely changing operator and not heading to the Budweiser plant (yet).

That is soo funny. I just came across another thread about the status of some 777s and there someone also referred to Budweiser cans when they were discussing the fate of the BA 777 which was involved in the crash landing this year.

What is it with out of service aircraft and Budweiser?

A388 Big grin Big grin


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

A320 from AF??? could it be a plane from Guadeloupe-Martinque doing the MIA-SDQ route getting there repair in YYZ by AC or in DTW by NW ???

User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5896 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 12):
A small hint: How is the typical weather at the place you live in ? And then think of how the typical weather is in a desert ...

Voila !
There hardly is a place in Europe that is dry year round and moisture is a stored aircraft's worst enemy.

But surely the Middle East, even given the political situation in much of it, can offer cheaper rates. If I were an enterprising person I'd set up in the UAE (Not Dubai, perhaps Sharjah) or try to use, ironically Dawson's field as a Mojave of the Middle East. That is what I've always wondered about.



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User currently offlineMohunk From United States of America, joined May 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5834 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
What is it with out of service aircraft and Budweiser?


Aluminum planes turned into aluminum beer cans


User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5555 times:



Quoting Mohunk (Reply 18):
Aluminum planes turned into aluminum beer cans

Although as has been discussed before this doesn't actually happen. Different qualities / types of metal.

Interesting to note a whole slew of planes flying into RSW recently. UA 733 and 752, US 320 and 319.

Retirement?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...7/history/20080207/1303Z/KDEN/KROW

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...1/history/20080207/0315Z/KDEN/KROW

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...3/history/20080202/0318Z/KCLT/KROW

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...1/history/20080201/0203Z/KCLT/KROW



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User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5210 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
What is it with out of service aircraft and Budweiser?

They are both useless and of no value?



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User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5126 times:



Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 19):
Interesting to note a whole slew of planes flying into RSW recently. UA 733 and 752, US 320 and 319.

Retirement?

I assume you meant ROW? I did not look at the flightaware links you posted.

Don't know about UA aircraft, but IIRC US are going there to be repainted. It appears that US is using primarily ROW & ARA for repainting as well as MIA and (LCW?) Lake Charles, LA. on occasion.


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5103 times:



Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 19):
Although as has been discussed before this doesn't actually happen. Different qualities / types of metal.

Interesting to note a whole slew of planes flying into RSW recently. UA 733 and 752, US 320 and 319.

Retirement?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...7/history/20080207/1303Z/KDEN/KROW

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...1/history/20080207/0315Z/KDEN/KROW

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...3/history/20080202/0318Z/KCLT/KROW

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U.../KROW

I would bet that it is just parking planes for a few months as it is the slow season. Airlines typically pull down capacity this time of year.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4995 times:



Quoting LVZXV (Reply 14):
The aircraft in question is F-GHQA (msn 33)

As I mentioned in the reply 13, F-GHQA is an Orly-based aircraft and though not a -100, this is the very first A320-200 delivered to Air Inter in December 1988.

It was sent to ROW to be stored, probably before changing operator.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4920 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 9):
Using airports served by an airline (or its partners) makes ground handling easier (no need to contract ground handling XYZ at airport 123).
Also, using these airports makes exchanging crew of the ferry flight easier: No need to shuttle the crews to a remote airport.
Overall, it might be worth the higher fees imposed by those airports.

I can see that. Would be interesting if someone could provide some more detailed information how a ferry flight such as this goes through the planning stages and actual flight. Any links for something to read on the subject?



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25 PHLapproach : That's what I had assumed. Repainting for someone if it is leaving AF's fleet. Many people spray at Dean Baldwin (ROW). US, WN, AA just to name a few
26 HT : Nothing at hand at the moment. Sorry. Interesting idea. Might "Sand storms" have a negative influence here when setting up an aircraft storage center
27 DHR : The aircraft is being stored pending re-lease with a new operator. MSN 36 should be joining it soon as well if they don't find a new operator. Both ai
28 Jonathan-l : Isn't the storage process very heavy and a deterrent to a quick un-storage?
29 ReidYYZ : As stated before for existing ground handling reasons, it was only for a crew rest overnight. It arrived sometime duringthe day on the 6th and left i
30 Post contains links and images FlySSC : Not really viewed as a "bastard". AF and IT (Air Inter) merged 11 years ago. Since then, avionics, galleys, seats etc... have been modified to AF sta
31 Breiz : I hope one of them can be donated to the Musée de l'Air at Le Bourget.
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