B773A346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 77 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3390 times:
I was wondering what exact types of B777 does United Airlines have. What would be the approx age of the UA 777 that operate on tranatlantic route ?
Eg. The route LHR - LAX is operated by B777 ? Its a Long Haul flight (11hrs 10min) . Are those aircrafts very old and how would the cabins be ? Can they be compared to BA and VS who operate the same route ?
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8804 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3235 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2): UA took delivery of their first 777A models back in 1994-95. I think they flew DEN-IAD-LHR for their first route.
Beat me to it. First flight of the Triple-7 was on June 12, 1994. I believe it was in April 1995 when they took delivery. AA took delivery around the same time IIRC. Both airlines I think were the launch customer...
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VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6618 posts, RR: 17 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3216 times:
I do not know how typical they were but I have checked out the UA aircraft operating into LHR on 1 and 2 February primarily on west coast routes.
On 1 February UA934/931 (LAX-LHR-SFO) was operated by N206UA, a 722ER delivered to UA in May 1999. On that same day UA930/955 (SFO-LHR-LAX) was operated by N797UA, another 772ER delivered to UA in February 1998.
On 2 February UA928/955 (ORD-LHR-SFO) was operated by N783UA, a 722ER delivered to UA in February1997. On that same day UA930/935 (SFO-LHR-LAX) was operated by N227UA, another 772ER delivered to UA in January 2002.
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3173 times:
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3): AA took delivery around the same time IIRC. Both airlines I think were the launch customer...
No..no no no...AA didnt get their first 777s until 1999 ordered in 1998. Crandall was playing hardball with the APA and wouldnt order any new aircraft in the mid 1990s until there was a new contract. That didnt occur until 1997. The 737-800s also arrived at AA the same time as the 777s. In 1998 AMR got the ERJ, 738 and 777 all as a result of the 1997 contract.
UA's A models are crappy, with poor range. Most designed as a domestic DC-10 replacement
SRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 252 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3128 times:
Quoting B773A346 (Thread starter): how would the cabins be ? Can they be compared to BA and VS who operate the same route ?
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5): UA's A models are crappy, with poor range. Most designed as a domestic DC-10 replacement
UA's T7s are, arguably, the best cabins in the UA fleet. PTVs (no AVOD) and a nice ride. The T7s beat out the 744s only becaus they have PTVs in coach. I also like the fact that UA uses 2-5-2 on the T7s, rather than 3-3-3. If you can get in the 2 seat areas in E+, it is one of the best American carrier Y experiences.
That being said UA, and all other American carriers, are NOT comparable to BA or VS which, IMHO, have far superior products.
Seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3099 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5): UA's A models are crappy, with poor range. Most designed as a domestic DC-10 replacement
No aircraft with the safety record and modern cabin of the 777 is "crappy."
Poor range compared to a 772ER or a DC-10-30, but way better range than a DC-10-10. The 772As are perfectly comfortable on routes up to about 4000 nm, which includes IAD- and ORD-Europe. They're also fine on Hawaii routes. They only run into trouble on West Coast-Europe or transpacific, although they can perform those missions too with a restricted payload.
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BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1702 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3058 times:
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8): Why does the age of the aircraft matter? The 777, whether delivered new in 1995 for 2007, is still a reputable, modern aircraft.
Actually, the 777-200ER delivered in 2007 will differ from 777-200ER delivered in 1997 in lower empty weight, which would result in greater range. After all the improvements Boeing engineers implemented, 2007 777-200ER is a more capable frame than her 10-year old sister.
Originally, 77E was advertised as a 13,900km plane. After all improvements, it's range went up to somewhere around 14,400km.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22024 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3013 times:
Search and you would find right on United's web site;
Quote: United Fleet Facts
United has one of the youngest fleets in the industry
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
Quoting B773A346 (Thread starter): Are those aircrafts very old and how would the cabins be ? Can they be compared to BA and VS who operate the same route ?
Given how long aircraft fly for, none of them can be considered "very old"
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2877 times:
Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 7): No aircraft with the safety record and modern cabin of the 777 is "crappy."
I mean UA has a subfleet of 777s that cannot fly every 777 mission...it makes fleet planning more restrictive....i didnt mean they are crappy looking, though they use to be.
Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2856 times:
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 9): Actually, the 777-200ER delivered in 2007 will differ from 777-200ER delivered in 1997 in lower empty weight, which would result in greater range. After all the improvements Boeing engineers implemented, 2007 777-200ER is a more capable frame than her 10-year old sister.
You obviously missed my point. The oldest UA 777 is still a safe, capable, and modern plane. Yes, they're different from the newer builds, but that is beside the point.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2834 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 12):
I mean UA has a subfleet of 777s that cannot fly every 777 mission...it makes fleet planning more restrictive....
United has so many 777s that they can justify it. Remember, some of their 772As are actually 2-class domestic aircraft used for flights to Hawai'i
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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22024 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2818 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 12): I mean UA has a subfleet of 777s that cannot fly every 777 mission...it makes fleet planning more restrictive....
Lets look at from a finance point of view -- aircraft and engine manufacturers charge by weight capability.
The UA baseline 772A models are cheaper to acquire and much more suitable for East Coast - Europe hops then the higher weight and higher powered AA 777s for instance that run back and forth JFK-LHR.
Basically why pay many many millions more for 'too much' of an airplane one would does not require for the mission it operates.
Let me put this in a more personal perspective. I was involved in the procurement of A320 family aircraft by an operator in recent years. Airbus offers various take off weight options. Initially they proposed the 77,000kgs max take off weight option version (which happens to be the highest), after working thru numbers it became clear the airline would rarely require such weight capabilities as most of its stage lenghts were in the ~2hr range, with longest one just over 4hours. Based on this it became clear a lower weight version of 73,500kgs MTOW was more then suitable for the airline, and this version was nearly 7% cheaper to acquire. Additionally the lower weight version was cheaper to operate based on host of factors including maintenance and engine accruals, overflight and landing fee's etc..
Simply put it would have been very foolish to needlessly pay for too much of an airplane that would not be required on nearly any mission for this carrier -- basically it would be paying a penalty on ever leg the higher powered and weight capable aircraft operated.
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EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2792 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15): Basically why pay many many millions more for 'too much' of an airplane one would does not require for the mission it operates.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2738 times:
Quoting B773A346 (Thread starter): I was wondering what exact types of B777 does United Airlines have
19 777-222
33 777-222ER
Quoting B773A346 (Thread starter): What would be the approx age of the UA 777 that operate on tranatlantic route ?
The 777-222s were delivered between 06/26/95 and 08/30/00 and fly routes from the east coast and the midwest to Europe as well as (there are 6 aircraft that have a 2-class interior) US to Hawaii.
The 777-222ERs were delivered between 03/07/97 and 03/07/02 and fly the transpacific routes as well as west coast to Europe and IAD-KWI. 15 or 16 of them are in the XP configuration which has the crew rest in the cargo hold.
Every once in a while you will see a 222 fly SEA-NRT and the ERs fly routes that the 222 can handle all all the time but in general the above is where UA uses its 777s on.
Quoting B773A346 (Thread starter): Are those aircrafts very old and how would the cabins be ?
None of the 777s have been through the refurbishment program yet but there are (with the exception being the 6 2-Class aircraft) PTVs (8 or 9 video channels, 20 audio, airshow, and of course channel 9) at every seat. Lie flat seats in first class and extra room in economy plus.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8804 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5): No..no no no...AA didnt get their first 777s until 1999 ordered in 1998. Crandall was playing hardball with the APA and wouldnt order any new aircraft in the mid 1990s until there was a new contract. That didnt occur until 1997. The 737-800s also arrived at AA the same time as the 777s. In 1998 AMR got the ERJ, 738 and 777 all as a result of the 1997 contract.
Oh, I remember seeing a documentary in 1995 about the Triple-7 and it mentioned that UA and AA would take the first deliveries (I guess that's wrong then). I remember seeing another documentary about AA's 777, and it was an actual flight: AA 78 from DFW-LHR. I guess that one was much later, like in 1998 or 1999...
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