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New Incident In Bolivia (LPB)  
User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 743 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

A 727-200 CP 2462 with around 85 pax on board from CBB overran the runway at LPB today.

All pax safe, however the airport is closed (one runway only) .

Possible reasons: Ice/Hail on the runway.

I will post news when available.

This incident comes shortly after the LB incident at TDD (see previous posts) and caused real concern in Bolivia regarding safety of air transport. To worsen, we have no trains, and roads are in terrible conditions due to the floods.

I guess we need to start thinking of using blimps for commercial pax transport  Smile

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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5940 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2490 times:
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I guess statiatics are coming home to roost, at "El Lloyd"


MGGS
User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 743 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Well for sure one detail is important : The airline involved today was 5L = Aero Sur.

I tried to post this thread many times and it was always blocked as I had to read the new rules first, so at the end I forgot to mention this time the mishap happened to 5L.

Back to aviation: It is a serious problem because the airport of LPB had to be closed - with only one runway no choice - and what now. It´s raining, snowing, hailing, roads are bad, so how do you get to/from LPB without a plane?

We are not thinking of what airline it strikes. We´re thinking of how it affects movements within Bolivia and abroad.

Maybe really, our authorities will finally (like in Brazil: make it happen then we´ll think) decide to modernize our aviation.

"El Lloyd"... by the way, is targeting to have their fantastically retro-painted B-727-200 CP 1366 in the air in a few days if not hours.

Aerolineas Sudamericanas is helping out LB to fit the gap of their mishapped aircraft at TDD, whereas I must also give a big hand to 5L for helping out LB and their stranded pax after the incident at TDD.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Bolivian aviation is not having an easy year so far. Thank God it was not LAB, another accident could spell disaster for that airline. I hope things get better down there.

[Edited 2008-02-08 18:49:19]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

This is the aircraft involved.


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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 743 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

A message to thread moderators: Is it possible to add to the title the fact it was an 5L aircraft involved? This way we avoid misleading comments as "it was an 5L aircraft" ?

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5940 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
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Quoting 123 (Reply 2):
tried to post this thread many times and it was always blocked as I had to read the new rules first, so at the end I forgot to mention this time the mishap happened to 5L.

My mistake then. My apologies to El Lloyd.



MGGS
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Anybody know the status of that 727??? is it going to fly again??

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2176 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
Anybody know the status of that 727??? is it going to fly again??

According to aviation-safety.net the damage is minor.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Anyone has information on 5L punctuality? I have a business trip planned to LPB and would need to use 5L for the run LPB-GRU and then connect to KL GRU-AMS so would like to know whether 5L has been punctual. Apparently 5L rotates B727, B737 and B757 to GRU, correct?

Tks,


User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 743 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 1805 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 9):
Anyone has information on 5L punctuality? I have a business trip planned to LPB and would need to use 5L for the run LPB-GRU

Basically 5L praise themselves as being utmost ontime, yet my logbook (business traveller....) shows the contrary.

However, flights --)) to GRU are generally on time or +30 minutes delayed, that should be within tollerable limits.

As you would be in international transit you would not have to worry about the endless queues at inmigration at GRU. Safety control is done, but it´s easy and fast.

Other than 5L from LPB to GRU you really have no reasonable choice. Gol leaves sometime in the night from VVI via Campo Grande to GRU (loooong trip) and PZ/JJ via CBB would be the next best choice, yet it ould mean a night at GRU.

At GRU international airport between the terminals you have a possibility to spend a few hours at the Fast Sleep Hotel. It´s OK for a few hours, not for 24 hours....

Rgds 123


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1595 times:



Quoting 123 (Reply 10):
As you would be in international transit you would not have to worry about the endless queues at inmigration at GRU. Safety control is done, but it´s easy and fast.

GRU could have some immigration queues only in the early morning when plenty of interncontinental flights arrive, but would never be more than 45 minutes waiting time. 5L arrives at about 3pm so it wont be a problem as at this time immigration is very quick.

Why do you mean I will be in transit only? I would not be allowed to check my luggage from 5L to KL therefore would have to clear immigration, claim luggage and do another check in with KLM...I dont even think 5L and KLM have interline agreement and there is the problem that 5L tickets are not available in Amadeus for issuing of travel agents.

Quoting 123 (Reply 10):
Other than 5L from LPB to GRU you really have no reasonable choice.

Agree.

Quoting 123 (Reply 10):
At GRU international airport between the terminals you have a possibility to spend a few hours at the Fast Sleep Hotel.

There is another Fast Sleet Hotel in the transit area plus airlines lounges and the usual American Express lounge before immigration.. Since I will be flying KL business class I prefer their lounge which is managed by AF. In the case of longer waits there is also the option of nearby Marriot Hotel and Caesar Business, located 5min drive from GRU. I am I am very familiar with GRU and use it frequently

Quoting 123 (Reply 10):
Basically 5L praise themselves as being utmost ontime, yet my logbook (business traveller....) shows the contrary.

However, flights --)) to GRU are generally on time or +30 minutes delayed, that should be within tollerable limits.

Thanks for this important information.

Rgs,


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