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Any Possible Expansion For DL At LAX?  
User currently offlineDL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

Besides the restart of RDU and new service to IAD and Lihue, are there any new destinations or increased frequencies/upgage in equipment for any of the LAX flights this summer?

It seems that most of DL's current expansions are on the east coast, so that leaves me wondering if DL has plans for the west. Some say DL's focus city is doomed, some say its just going through growing pains, some say its doing well, what are DL's and XE's numbers for LAX? Still only around 7-8% of the market share at LAX? What are the current loads like, and what destinations will probably get the axe?

Also, I used to see alot more advertising around town for DL than I do now, what gives?


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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7562 times:



Quoting DL777LAX (Thread starter):
Besides the restart of RDU and new service to IAD and Lihue, are there any new destinations or increased frequencies/upgage in equipment for any of the LAX flights this summer?

KOA

Would love to see Delta reinstate LAX-NRT with the 763..



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7615 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

They would be wise not to. DL's LAX expansion has been an enourmous failure.


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7524 times:

I woulsnt expect much until they get together with NWA. DL has been pulling back from LAX. All the decent performing markets have been served already. Anything new asa stand alone without a merger will probably be poor profit wise.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25393 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

Funny enough even with the 'build up' Delta has not see its market share move much in the last few years. The LAX growth has been more noise (lots of small RJs) then much real substance in seat volume. (remember at one point near all DL LAX flying was on larger 767s and 757s -- now much of it is RJs and 738s.)

DL market share
2005 - 7.51%
2006 - 7.16%
2007 - 7.74%

Besides trimming or axing of many of the new markets, long time route to FLL got the wack this winter also.

Quoting DL777LAX (Thread starter):
Also, I used to see alot more advertising around town for DL than I do now, what gives?

My instincts tell me Jerry Grinstein was very much behind the LAX push, and now with him out the network spotlight has shifted away especially result of the many less then stellar route darts which were thrown. Basically LA is quietly fading away again.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7517 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
DL's LAX expansion has been an enourmous failure.

i wouldn't say this but DL has to have more NB a/c to make it work.
DL is pretty much doing what they have to keep LA off there back. if and when DL merges with NW i see a new hub at LAX. As off right now DL will wait to merge then i will be they really build up LAX like they have with JFK.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25393 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7498 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 5):
As off right now DL will wait to merge then i will be they really build up LAX like they have with JFK.

Very much doubt it - NWA is rather a very minor player in CA and quite small at LAX itself. (~3 market share)

Facility wise however this would be interesting as NWA has ownership stake in the consortium behind T-2 which I dont see it giving up (its a profitable venture) so LAWA might finaly get its wish and see DL consolidate over and vacate T-5.



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User currently offlinePDXBJV From Turkey, joined Apr 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

What about AF's new service to LHR? I thought that DL was code sharing, and then in a few years would run it on its own metal?? Or did I misunderstand???? Possible lol


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7454 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Very much doubt it - NWA is rather a very minor player in CA and quite small at LAX itself. (~3 market share)

Facility wise however this would be interesting as NWA has ownership stake in the consortium behind T-2 which I dont see it giving up (its a profitable venture) so LAWA might finaly get its wish and see DL consolidate over and vacate T-5.

and then what? DL will keep flying XXX-XXX-NRT-Asia? please.........I understand that NW is very small in LA but my point was there will be free a/c from CVG/MEM and SLC (when the new 90s get there) and DL has already said they will fly trans-pac from LA. DL will not piss away LAX. I would most on here really know why DL is flying the routes they are from LA with RJs. To keep T5 (and T6 gates) so that later on they can build LAX for T-pac flights when they get the A/C.

Also why did DL ask to fly to SIN/SYD? (i still think ATL-SYD/SIN will work) but most on here say it will be from LAX.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7447 times:



Quoting PDXBJV (Reply 7):
What about AF's new service to LHR? I thought that DL was code sharing, and then in a few years would run it on its own metal?? Or did I misunderstand???? Possible lol

right now DL is code-sharing I'm not sure if DL will take over this flight. When DL builds there hub there i could see DL take this one over from AF.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
Would love to see Delta reinstate LAX-NRT with the 763..

might be a 744



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User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7439 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Facility wise however this would be interesting as NWA has ownership stake in the consortium behind T-2 which I dont see it giving up (its a profitable venture) so LAWA might finaly get its wish and see DL consolidate over and vacate T-5.

Great point. To make enough space for DL, who will need to vacate at T-2? Or could the DL/NW/KL/AF co-op be in T-2 and T-3? Maybe they can build a corridor between T-2 and T-3 similar to UA's T-6 and T-7.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7430 times:



Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 10):
Great point. To make enough space for DL, who will need to vacate at T-2? Or could the DL/NW/KL/AF co-op be in T-2 and T-3? Maybe they can build a corridor between T-2 and T-3 similar to UA's T-6 and T-7.

tell you the truth i could see NW leasing there gates in T2 to VX or AM then DL getting there gates in T6.
maybe AF/KL could also lease there gates and move to T6.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25393 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7386 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):
might be a 744

NWA already operates LAX-NRT with a 744. Its sole LAX-Asia flight it has been able to sustain over the years.

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 10):
who will need to vacate at T-2?

Carriers like NZ, VS, Avianca, Aviacsa, TACA, Westjet etc are tenants which LAX-Two Corp can eventual move out as their individual leases expire.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
To keep T5 (and T6 gates)

Speaking of which - the LAWA case against DL will be going to trial in NY starting in March.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
Also why did DL ask to fly to SIN/SYD?

Got a source for such DOT applications?



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7331 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
NWA already operates LAX-NRT with a 744. Its sole LAX-Asia flight it has been able to sustain over the years.

that was my point

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):


Got a source for such DOT applications?

got the words right out of GGs mouth
http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlan...ries/2007/04/30/daily3.html?page=3
wants HKG/NRT(2nd daily flight my guess is out of JFK)SIN and SYD

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Speaking of which - the LAWA case against DL will be going to trial in NY starting in March.

what a waste of time on LAWA's part.....DL will win.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25393 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7309 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 13):
what a waste of time on LAWA's part.....DL will win.

While DL has managed to stall things thru one legal maneuver after another, at the end of the day the landlord will always win the war and have the last laugh.
Pretty dumb moves in my opinion to alienate the airport authority. DL needs LAWA much more then LAWA needs DL.

Btw - DL caved in to LAWA along with AA, CO, NW and UA will be paying the city its demanded higher rates retro to 2006.
LAX - 5 Major Airlines Settle Rental Dispute (by LAXintl Jan 30 2008 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

Does anyone know...

How many gates does NW have at T2?

How many gates does DL have at 5 & T6?

Thanks


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7134 times:



Quoting Klkla (Reply 15):
How many gates does DL have at 5 & T6?

11 gates in T5 and 4(?) in T6

Quoting Klkla (Reply 15):

How many gates does NW have at T2?

3 i think



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7097 times:



Quoting Klkla (Reply 15):
How many gates does NW have at T2?

DL has 13 gates in T5 and 3 gates in T6 (61, 63, 65).


User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

The possilbe NW & DL merger could make things interesting. NWA does have a profitable deal with T-2, but Delta has more space at T-5 and T-6. I wonder if a merged NW/DL could keep ownership of T-2, but rent out the gates to someone else.

CO & UA will make this interesting as well. Will CO & UA move out of T-6? If they could- the new DL/NW & AF/KLM could renovate T-6, clean up T-5, and make it a combined Skyteam facility. They could have a Business Class Lounge, in addition to a club lounge (CRC or Worldclub). Between the combined NWA/DL, AF/KLM, Aeromexico, Korean, China Southern, Alitalia- they would have service to:

CDG
LHR
AMS
NRT
MEX (and other Mexican Cities)
FCO
ICN
CAN

I wouldn't be shocked to see service announced to SYD, SIN, and HKG

Domestically:

JFK
BOS
MSP
DTW
CVG
MEM
ATL
SLC
HNL
OGG
SEA
FLL

They could expand RJ service, as feed for all of this.

And - with a combined T-5 & T-6, provide a pleasent airport experience


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25393 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7080 times:



Quoting Klkla (Reply 15):
How many gates does NW have at T2?

T-2 is all common use. Being one of the 3 owners of the facility it gets priority gating rights over other non owner tenants.

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 18):
I wonder if a merged NW/DL could keep ownership of T-2, but rent out the gates to someone else.

Not possible. This is the reason why Air Canada has never collocated with UA (as it has done in many US cities) at LAX as it must continue to utilize the facility to retain its ownership stake.

T-2 however is worth large sums of money (Hawaiian's Air stake was valued at several hundred million during its BK process) but at the same time also generates many million in annual revenue also. So if NW were to leave it would have to walk away from its cash generating ownership position and instead become a simply a tenant as DL is.

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 18):
Will CO & UA move out of T-6?

As is, the United operation requires use of T-6 as there are not enough gates, so any combined CO+UA operation would certainly need to retain the T-6 gates. Also dont forget T-6 represents about 50% of United international customs accessible gates.



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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7074 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
T-2 however is worth large sums of money (Hawaiian's Air stake was valued at several hundred million during its BK process) but at the same time also generates many million in annual revenue also. So if NW were to leave it would have to walk away from its cash generating ownership position and instead become a simply a tenant as DL is.

So- could they sell the asset to raise cash?


User currently offlineSdexplorer00 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7060 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):

I want to see proof that the LAX expansions has been such a failure as some of you claim. Sure there have been routes that didn't work and there have been many more that have. That is natural when building up a new hub. LAX is where JFK was years ago when it was being built up by Delta. Right now, the focus is just on developing an early feed for when the international network really builds. I can tell you for sure (from internal sources) that LAX will still be a MAJOR focus for Delta this year.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6143 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7056 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):

Yeah, there is a little airline with a Eskimo on its tail that would still love to get its hands on that terminal.

ha ha!

ASSFOA



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7040 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
Would love to see Delta reinstate LAX-NRT with the 763..

Isn't that too long for a '67?
How about a SYD or AKL flight?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25393 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7022 times:



Quoting Jrlander (Reply 20):
So- could they sell the asset to raise cash?

Suppose so, however once they are done paying off the bonds on the facility doubt they would have much left (which I presume is why neither NW, AC or HA sold theirs stake during the respective bankruptcies).

Basically right now NW gains several tens of millions per year in revenue off the facility, but buy selling it would all of a sudden be now spending millions in added rentals to LAWA.

In other words akin to you selling an apartment building which you live in earning a decent income on but still owe a mortgage on to now renting yourself and paying some elses mortgage.



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25 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : yes hmmmm makes alot of sence to me sell it and bring DTW,MSP,HNL,MEM,NRT and IND(?) flights all into T5/6 and sell there part in T2. Hell they can u
26 LAXintl : Amen to that. AS really could use larger space at LAX and has continued to show its dedication to the city with even Bill Ayer paying a visit to the
27 DeltaL1011man : how about how they are bring RDU back and adding two Hawaii flights and the fact that they haven't even came close to the end of the list yet. I will
28 Delta4eva : No, not really. Most of DL's LAX expansion has been in the past 18 months or so. As far as increased market share, these things take time. Also, much
29 Post contains images Sdexplorer00 : You're right, 10 discontinued flights is absolutely not an indication of failure. First many of these were done as ExpressJet at risk flights and sec
30 ERJ170 : Wait wait wait! What? When? times? for real??? well alright then! this is excellent!
31 Klkla : This being the case my guess would be the following: After the merger DL will offer to give up all rights to T2 as a settlement for keeping all of T5
32 LAXintl : I love all you Delta Kool Air drinkers. May all your wishes come true in LA, however Delta is vastly underestimating if they can simply walk in and ma
33 MAH4546 : RDULAX will operate non-stop again for peak summer travel, 05JUN08 through 25AUG08. Correction: Nevermind, appears to be year-round.[Edited 2008-02-09
34 ERJ170 : I wish they would invest in the route by making it flights at decent times.. .. but oh well.. better than nothing.. and no one else seems to want to
35 Delta4eva : I can't help but to be optimistic about DL's attempts to diversify their network. Even though DL may be my airline of choice, I support all airlines'
36 LAXintl : The two really have nothing to with each other. T-5 is a LAWA owned facility, while T-2 is the only privately owned consortium terminal at LAX which
37 Deltal1011man : I think they have one 747 gate at the end of T5 LAX is the number 1 O&D airport in the world I'm am pretty sure that if little old ATL can handle 2 a
38 Sdexplorer00 : You say Kool Aid drinkers but still offer nothing more than opinions pushed off as fact. I still have not seen you demonstrate proof of Delta bleedin
39 Klkla : LAWA wants better usage of the gates at LAX as you know. They have wanted to make T5 a mixed use terminal but Delta will keep this tied up in the cou
40 LAXintl : Some of you guys look at DL's LAX moves and see genius at work and inspiring optimism, I see the carriers yo-yo like scheduling practices as signs of
41 28thguy : It seems to me that expanding LAX may be part of the rationale of DL/NW merger. NW has a strong frequent flyer base in Asia which could be targeted to
42 77411 : Lets see what shakes out in the next year your so with mergers. Because the big airline with the two AA's on the tail may swallow the little Eskimo.
43 DeltaL1011man : i don't think that will happen. I think DL will only add HKG and wait till they get ATL-PEK and DTW-PEK befor they ask or add PEK/PVG/CAN to LAX. Hav
44 A380US : I dont think so Also how many aircraft do they they have on order that can be moved to LAX?
45 MAH4546 : I love how people are already talking about DL-NW like it's a done deal. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. The next month or so are going
46 Jetdeltamsy : Delta expands and contracts at LAX like the wind. When they think they can make money, they pile on the service. When things slow down, they pull bac
47 DeltaL1011man : well if they pull the A332s and 744s mostly out of NRT (aka no more NRT-PVG on a 744) and base the few 763ERs DL isn't sending on TATL flights then i
48 A380US : What are you talking about?
49 Post contains links DeltaL1011man : Delta-Northwest May Announce Merger Next Week PT 2 (by Srbmod Feb 9 2008 in Civil Aviation) the WSJ has said its pretty much done
50 MAH4546 : Regardless of what the WSJ says, it's not done until its done. This is going to be a long and arduous process, and it doesn't happen overnight. And o
51 DeltaL1011man : lets see DL stock is 18.19 and AMR is 15.65. now IF i understand this right what DL will do is offer 1 share of DL stock for 1 share of NW stock. So
52 Kaitak744 : I think T5/T6 is a MUCH better combination for SkyTeam than T3/T2. Reason: T3 would have to completely demolished. Not practical to renovate it. Duri
53 A380US : I understood that i meant DL doesnt have A330's or 747's in NRT (or at all for that matter)
54 Post contains links MAH4546 : You are way over-simplifying things. The short version of the story is this: AA can outbid Delta. They have the money too. Will Northwest agree to it
55 DeltaL1011man : no no no i mean NRT-Asia flights with 737/757/767/A32S over 744/777/A330 ok so what you are saying DL will want to swap stock with NW and AA will com
56 MAH4546 : It's a possibility. There are also ways to structure a merger involving stock swap between NW/AA with terms that are more favorable than a DL/NW merg
57 DeltaL1011man : thanks MAH4546 for clearing it up for me see I think AA has already had there "merger mania" back in 2001 with TWA. That is why i think they will sit
58 MAH4546 : AA's position as the world's largest airline is in jeopardy and they aren't going to sit and watch somebody else take it away. I entirely think AA is
59 WeAreUnited : When is SEA going mainline?
60 ASMD11 : SEA went mainline and was up to 4 flights a day on DL, but the mainline flight has been dropped and it's back to 3 daily, looks to stay that way thro
61 Sdexplorer00 : This was discussed with all station managers at the Flight Plan 2008 meetings and LAX is poised for significant growth this year. Once again, Glen Ha
62 LawnDart : Interesting conversation about what AA would do. Does AA really think being the largest is that important, or does breadth of service coverage matter
63 LAXintl : Nope, here were the 2007 market share numbers for the top-3 UA - 19.43% AA - 16.83% WN - 12.44%
64 FlyASAGuy2005 : I would have to agree with that. Post Leo Mullin, they finally realized they don't have to be the #1 player in many of the markets they serve to be s
65 Sdexplorer00 : OK percents were wrong, but as I said, still very fragmented. No dominant carrier, not even one with 20% marketshare. You still fail to make your cas
66 Kohflot : So which routes from LAX have been "masterful" and successful? And what measure are you determining success by?
67 Sdexplorer00 : I wasn't specificly refering to LAX when mentioning Glen Haustein. He is one of the most respected network guys in the industry and was specificly re
68 LAXintl : See here is the problem with those market share numbers and why DL has a hard time trying to 'rebuild' much of a LA presence. The 3 carriers AA, UA an
69 Sdexplorer00 : Once again, you are looking only at domestic growth and share. Delta is not trying to compete with WN at LAX. Delta is not trying to make LAX a domes
70 Sdexplorer00 : Richard Anderson describing LAX operations on the Q4 2007 Earnings call: "a lot of the flying that we were doing there to feed our Mexico operations a
71 LAXintl : Well its clear we disagree. Where you see a opportunity, I see a brick wall waiting. International expansion is fraught with difficulty just as much a
72 Klkla : Experimenting? Absolutely! How else do you know if something will work unless you try it. Some of the routes have been very successful. I fly the LAX
73 DeltaL1011man : don't forget about SLC........it is DL's west coast hub (right now)
74 Post contains images Kohflot : Anti-Delta or just realistic? How many routes were started under the Delta brand from LAX and how many of those are still around? When Frontier's att
75 LAXdude1023 : Ahh yes. How soon I forget that the DL fanboyz are the most defensive on A.net. DL's expansion at LAX has been a disaster and a failure. There is NO
76 Sdexplorer00 : OK, I'll have to agree with you on that one. "How many routes were started under the Delta brand from LAX and how many of those are still around?" Hm
77 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : ugh..... I'll say it one more time k? LAX=JFK 5 years ago I know DL should be able to come in and start a hub over night and can't have any bad route
78 DeltaL1011man : wait CAN? or SAN?
79 Bobnwa : I don't think you understand how a stock swap would work. The NWA stock was selling for $18.44 on friday and DL and AA were 18.19 and 15.16. for a st
80 LAXintl : You mean to tell me DL's management really has a dart board in ATL with a map on it, and really has been scheduling the LA flying based on that as ru
81 Sdexplorer00 : OK, TIJ was a disaster, SAN is a different story. It started out as a disaster being at the wrong time to make connections in LAX. When the time was
82 LAXdude1023 : How is that not proof? That of the destinations they started, they ended up canceling, lets list them: TIJ OKC ICT YVR SAN FLL MFE RDU CMH I know I m
83 MAH4546 : How could you forget the cardinal rule: Nothing Delta does is ever wrong.
84 RwSEA : Well, it's now down to 3x daily RJ service, and no plans for mainline this summer (yet). I don't see how DL expects to make a successful run at this
85 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Oh yes, how could I possibly forget.
86 Sdexplorer00 : No I don't!. I think that anytime you are building up a new hub, there are going to be hits and misses. A "disaster" as you call it is a complete los
87 LAXdude1023 : However when you have just as many misses as you have hits and when your hits are decreasing in service, I consider that to be a failure. I dont reca
88 LAXintl : Yes add CZM(did it even start?), BZE, PSP, MGA, LIR for routes that are gone, While off the top of my head, GUA and plenty of Mexico RJ destination ar
89 Sdexplorer00 : MAN comes to mind. And once again, there has been an overall increase in service and marketshare at LAX, be it modest but still growth. That is my po
90 Klkla : While SLC is definitely in the Western U.S. it is not on the West Coast. Also, it doesn't have the facilities at this time to handle a large internat
91 LAXdude1023 : I am being objective. I really dont care if you think I am or not.
93 MAH4546 : This argument is absolutely pointless. Regardless of risk or no risk, loss or no loss, "experimenting," or not, the fact is this: those "no risk" rou
94 Sdexplorer00 : And I can't believe people who think their arm chair quaterbacking is more valid than Glen Hauenstein's who is one of the most sucessful network guys
95 Modesto2 : Just a few points of clarification... RDU and CMH are not gone. Check the summer schedule. LIR is still in the summer schedule.
96 FreequentFlier : Some people on here are WAY too impressed by any gain in market share. That DL added roughly 50 new flights a day to LAX and didn't gain even a full p
97 Post contains images Ocracoke : And here I always thought that the cardinal rule was that nothing that AA does in MIA is ever wrong. FLL-LAX is a route DL has been flying for quite
98 DeltaL1011man : and was stopped due to high fuel cost.........I think it will be back They still have LAX-TPA don't they (737-832?)
99 Modesto2 : Yes, they still operate 2x daily LAX-TPA and 2x daily LAX-MCO with 738s.
100 MasseyBrown : I could never figure out why DL walked away from their LAX-MEX route. Maybe it was a Mullen cut; done before Grinstein could stop it. They were a smal
101 Aaway : Late to the party (as usual), but I'll copy some comments I added in another thread that briefly discussed this topic: IMO, a combined DL-NW @ LAX wil
102 Post contains images UAL777UK : From an outsider all I see if DL ramping up ops at LAX, then taking them away. As a passenger am I going to be using them in the LAX market if thats
103 LAXdude1023 : That is exactly how I look at it. LAX is my hometown airport and I have absolutely no interest in DL for that reason. If DL could successfully make L
104 Klkla : It's not completely useless at all. Delta was able to experiment using someone elses aircraft that were under utilized. There is nothing wrong with e
105 LAXintl : No quite a bit of the flying was on mainline aircraft (MGA,BZE,LIR,CZM,FLL,CMH,RDU etc) while other good chunk was on RJ flying (all the Mexico stuff
106 DL777LAX : I'm going to disagree with you here, because DL could have formed a nice top dog type of situation, with a combined DL/AM essentially owning LAX-MEX.
107 LAXdude1023 : UA made LAX-OKC and LAX-ICT work great. OKC went up to 2x daily. Very true. I am a travel consultant by trade and I can tell you that the good majori
108 Klkla : It depends on where they are going. As an example I fly to Europe avg 3 times a year, South America avg. 10 times a year and Asia once or twice a yea
109 LAXintl : Sure its ludicrous. SWA is stuck at its ~12% as it simply cannot expand beyond its 115 or so daily flights at LAX due lack of facilities. However SWA
110 Klkla : Your attempt to hijack the thread at any expense to prove you're 'right' is what is ludicrous. The topic of this thread is "Any Possible Expansion Fo
111 Jetlanta : Not to disagree with you my friend, but it says a lot more about the ability of the ERJ-145 to succeed in this fuel environment than it does about th
112 FreequentFlier : I don't know what the "should" part is. But it's only natural to add market share when you expand the number of flights you have in a particular city
113 LawnDart : The name of this post is: Any Possible Expansion For DL At LAX? The answer, based on what Delta has done, or attempted to do, over the past year, woul
114 Exusair : I agree with Kikla about not chasing SWA around in a race to the bottom. DL will not compete with SWA at LAX, that is not their business model. Look a
115 Klkla : "0" is he answer because it would be listed on the carrier providing the actual service's market share.
116 Post contains images Sdexplorer00 :
117 Ocracoke : It will be interesting to watch what you have to say in the other (LCC big announcement in LAX tomorrow) thread. I wonder if you will say the same th
118 Post contains images OA412 : Sadly, I think we all know the answer to your question.
119 MAH4546 : JetBlue isn't entering a new market. They already are well entrenched in Los Angeles and are doing nothing more than opening a new airport pair in a
120 LAXintl : Indeed, I will praise B6 as it was a matter of time it showed up at LAX (has been having on/off conversations for a couple years now) as it has both
121 UAL777UK : Well you keep on telling yourself that and I am sure it will become true. Your so right about the number one status.
122 Sydscott : Three points for you to consider from afar; 1. None of the Foreign Carriers need to have the breadth of service that DL has. That is what alliances a
123 Bobnwa : I would love to see the numbers that would verify that point.
124 WorldTraveler : Talking about DL’s LAX expansion as a failure misses the point about what DL’s expansion was primarily intended to do – preserve its gates at LA
125 LAXintl : Yes - a common facility paid for, and used by United. No CO has its own facilities under rent from LAWA. Doubt it -- As is UA runs out of gates certa
126 Klkla : Are you disputing the math? Do you have some factual basis for disagreeing? I probably should have specified American carriers and the most connectio
127 LawnDart : LAX is, in fact, a new market for JetBlue. Oh, crap...here we go with the "American carriers can't compete with foreign carriers"... BS...big time BS
128 MAH4546 : It's a new airport. It is not a new market. Markets can have multiple airports, as LA does.
129 Sydscott : Where did I say that? I said people are willing to pay for comfort in long haul flights which is absolutely true when you look at the expansion strat
130 Bobnwa : Do you know that for a fact or is that your opinion? Seems highly unlikely to me.
131 WorldTraveler : Bob, listen to DL's 4th quarter earnings conference call. One of the execs was asked about LAX capacity. He basically said that as a result of the agr
132 LAXintl : As MAH4546 says, LAX is a new airport but not a new market for Jetblue. Matter of fact, B6 has vigorously been competing in the LAX market for many y
133 STT757 : There was no spat, Expressjet's costs are too high (especially with today's oil prices). So when an opt out for CO came up CO opted out of several co
134 Bobnwa : OK, I did listen, but i do not agree with your interpretaion of what the Delta executive said. I think that is soley your interpretation.
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