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Aerogal And Air Peru Not Flying To MIA Anymore  
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5807 times:

Why?

I read in a spanish site Aerogal was looking for "suitable aircraft" and were suing the lessor they had contracted for the 737-400s (that never arrived) but... what was so wrong with the 732s that they had to suspend the route, at least temporarily?

How about Air Peru?

Talk about coincidence, the last 2 new airlines at Miami and both start and suspend the route at almost the same time

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5714 times:
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I don't think a 732 has the range to fly nonstop from Peru to MIA. It would have to stop in Panama City at least, if they have ADV versions of the 732's.

What kind of aircraft was Air Peru going to use?


User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5703 times:

Air Peru has a B757-200; Aerogal's 737-200 may be weight restricted at the Quito departure

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4549 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5602 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
I don't think a 732 has the range to fly nonstop from Peru to MIA

LIM-MIA does not look comfortable for any 732 fully packed.
The range of the 732 is established between 1900nm - 2300nm and LIM-MIA is 2267nm purely as straight line.
As a side note, NK flies FLL-LIM daily with 319.




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Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 2):
Aerogal's 737-200 may be weight restricted at the Quito departure

The route is 2K GYE-MIA.
No payload restrictions in Guayaquil.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

AeroGal's Miami service is suspended because Ryanair failed to deliver the 737-400s needed to fly the route, and AeroGal's 732s were just not working at all. They are aiming to resume Miami service in April, and are actively seeking a replacement aircraft.

Air Peru's service to Miami and Washington Dulles has yet to even launch. I don't know what's going on with that project, they've been quiet lately.

[Edited 2008-02-10 19:20:09]


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User currently offlineAndahuailas From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5560 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Air Peru's service to Miami and Washington Dulles has yet to even launch. I don't know what's going on with that project, they've been quiet lately.

They did launch LIM-MIA and LIM-IAD in December, however it was discontinued a couple of weeks later. I believe it was due to extremely low loads. Domestic service was due to start in January. Its February and nothing. It doesn't surprise me considering Primaris Airlines record of promises. ( Its shareholder and owner of the 757 they flew)


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5556 times:



Quoting Andahuailas (Reply 5):

They did launch LIM-MIA and LIM-IAD in December, however it was discontinued a couple of weeks later. I believe it was due to extremely low loads. Domestic service was due to start in January. Its February and nothing. It doesn't surprise me considering Primaris Airlines record of promises.

I'd assume loads would be low because neither Air Peru nor Primaris have authorization form the U.S. government to fly scheduled service between the U.S. and Peru. Are you sure it launched? If it did, it wasn't a scheduled service.



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User currently offlineAndahuailas From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

it was scheduled charters

User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

Good luck to both carriers...Aerogal perhaps has more chance once they get the right a/c type. Air Peru will succeed by selling cheap fares to VFR paxs...no US business traveler would risk to fly on such a venture. Besides LAN and AA there are no reliable options from Peru to MIA. NK's service is OK if you do not care about food, TV and First Class on a 5 1/2hr flight...NK's connecting options out of FLL are somewhat limited compared to MIA Airport. In MIA and the US no one has ever heard about Air Peru, their website is not even working...very few know about AeroGal.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25768 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

The Primaris 757 painted in Air Peru colors is flying other charters these days. Aicraft happens to be in JFK today parked on one cargo ramps.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Air Peru's service to Miami and Washington Dulles has yet to even launch. I don't know what's going on with that project, they've been quiet lately.

IIRC it used to appear at the Miami airport's website, landing somewhere around 3pm.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 8):
Good luck to both carriers...Aerogal perhaps has more chance once they get the right a/c type. Air Peru will succeed by selling cheap fares to VFR paxs...no US business traveler would risk to fly on such a venture. Besides LAN and AA there are no reliable options from Peru to MIA. NK's service is OK if you do not care about food, TV and First Class on a 5 1/2hr flight...NK's connecting options out of FLL are somewhat limited compared to MIA Airport. In MIA and the US no one has ever heard about Air Peru, their website is not even working...very few know about AeroGal.

Air Peru's website was working before with some information about the company and IIRC the flight to Miami. Now it redirects you to a "new website" that doesn't exist. The old website I think now states Air Peru is focusing on domestic flights or something like that, so it seems it was one very short lived operation.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
The Primaris 757 painted in Air Peru colors is flying other charters these days. Aicraft happens to be in JFK today parked on one cargo ramps.

Thanks for that.

Is this aircraft flying out of FLL? I think Primaris flew charters down to S. America using that plane.


Anyone knows how the loads were on that Aerogal flight? I guess not that great if they pulled it. I've never flown on a 732 so I can't compared if there's that much noticeable diff. from.. say the A320 that Saeta used to operate Ecuador-Miami

[Edited 2008-02-11 10:20:25]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5349 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
Anyone knows how the loads were on that Aerogal flight?

Poor, but given that they only had a roughly eight week window between when the flight was announced and it launched, that was tottally expected.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
I guess not that great if they pulled it.

Loads had nothing to do with pulling the route. They pulled it because of the extremely high operating costs of the 732 on the route and the fact that Ryanair has failed to deliver the 737-400s they need for the route.

It will be interesting to see how serious they are about coming back to MIA.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Air Peru's service to Miami and Washington Dulles has yet to even launch. I don't know what's going on with that project, they've been quiet lately.

IIRC it used to appear at the Miami airport's website, landing somewhere around 3pm.

Yes, as somebody corrected me, they did launch service to Miami and Washington. However, they were charter flights, not regularly scheduled. That right there explains one reason for quick failure. Combined with the fact that the flights were announced about three weeks before they launched.



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5319 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Loads had nothing to do with pulling the route. They pulled it because of the extremely high operating costs of the 732 on the route and the fact that Ryanair has failed to deliver the 737-400s they need for the route.

But is "extremely high" accurate? There have been many airlines operating 732s to Miami. There's Avior, Cayman, Skyking, reently Aviacsa, etc and the aircraft type didn't seem to be a problem.

Could it be there's AA and LAN and they don't leave room for a third airline? Back in the 90s both Saeta and Ecuatoriana were flying from Ecuador to Miami along with probably AA as well. I would've thought the touristic/economic growth since then would make this Aerogal flight a good business proposition.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5301 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 12):
But is "extremely high" accurate? There have been many airlines operating 732s to Miami. There's Avior, Cayman, Skyking, reently Aviacsa, etc and the aircraft type didn't seem to be a problem.

Flying a 732 on MIA-GYE can be a problem. That's a long stretch for a small plane. This isn't a short hop to the Cayman Islands or Barcelona on the Caribbean coast, we are talking about a flight that is about as long as Miami-Phoenix. The 732 absolutely kills the economics of operating the route.

The 734 that AeroGal was acquring were not perfect for the route either, but that is why they were going to fit them in a low-density configuration so that the aircraft could perform better.



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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1185 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5284 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 8):
Good luck to both carriers...Aerogal perhaps has more chance once they get the right a/c type. Air Peru will succeed by selling cheap fares to VFR paxs...no US business traveler would risk to fly on such a venture. Besides LAN and AA there are no reliable options from Peru to MIA. NK's service is OK if you do not care about food, TV and First Class on a 5 1/2hr flight...NK's connecting options out of FLL are somewhat limited compared to MIA Airport. In MIA and the US no one has ever heard about Air Peru, their website is not even working...very few know about AeroGal.

Personally (my opinion), I think an airline named "Air Peru" is doomed. We used to have AeroPeru and it eventually failed, and was not well regarded due to its inefficiency, old planes, unreliable service, etc. People will think it's the rebirth of the old airline, or some may not even know the difference.
Besides that, anyone can fly to MIA from LIM on AA, LAN, Taca, or Copa (connecting service on the last two), and others will go to the US on CO or DL via other gateways. I think this venture will fail, especially if it's in the hands of an operator out of Peru. That, again, is my own opinion.
I'm peruvian and had not heard of Air Peru.

FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7694 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

MAH4546

Do you mean Ryan Air or Ryan International.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4549 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5205 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 8):
NK's connecting options out of FLL are somewhat limited compared to MIA Airport

NK LIM-FLL and vice versa should be focusing mainly into the O&D traffic for Peru - South Florida over connections.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

Wasn't there an effort by the Peruvian government to boot foreign carriers like LAN or Taca previously (in order to protect domestic airlines)? If so how did those airlines ended up running out of LIM after all?

User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5128 times:



Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 14):
think this venture will fail, especially if it's in the hands of an operator out of Peru. That, again, is my own opinion.



Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 14):
anyone can fly to MIA from LIM on AA, LAN, Taca, or Copa (connecting service on the last two), and others will go to the US on CO or DL via other gateways.

FLY2LIM, in my opinion has "stated" out Air Peru's recipe for failure. Couldn't have said it better. On a side note, I've noticed that LAN (JFK/LIM) are heavily discounted...........price war???? Anyway, saludos!

A300 AMERICAN


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1185 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5117 times:



Quoting Vincewy (Reply 17):
Wasn't there an effort by the Peruvian government to boot foreign carriers like LAN or Taca previously (in order to protect domestic airlines)? If so how did those airlines ended up running out of LIM after all?

This may be a case of Lan and Taca outsmarting the Peruvian government, something anyone can do, lol. Actually, Lan and Taca both operate "Peruvian" subsidiaries called Lan Peru and Taca Peru and operate domestically as well as internationally. Peru would be a disaster (as far as air service) if these two companies weren't involved.

Quoting A300 American (Reply 18):
FLY2LIM, in my opinion has "stated" out Air Peru's recipe for failure. Couldn't have said it better. On a side note, I've noticed that LAN (JFK/LIM) are heavily discounted...........price war???? Anyway, saludos!

A300 AMERICAN

Saludos amigo, I would venture to guess that prices are down because it's, technically, low season. High season is May to August and November to January, roughly.

FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5056 times:



Quoting A300 American (Reply 18):

I don't see what's so wrong with the name Air Peru. As a non Peruvian to me it sounds exotic enough to get attention. But I guess native peruvians will associate the name with bad service or something ??


Ditto for the defunt AeroPeru name, logo, and livery. I miss it.

There was talk on here of AeroCondor wanting to lease some 762s supposedly to start ops in early 2007 to Miami, and here we are in 2008.


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1185 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5021 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 20):
I don't see what's so wrong with the name Air Peru. As a non Peruvian to me it sounds exotic enough to get attention. But I guess native peruvians will associate the name with bad service or something ??


Ditto for the defunt AeroPeru name, logo, and livery. I miss it.

There was talk on here of AeroCondor wanting to lease some 762s supposedly to start ops in early 2007 to Miami, and here we are in 2008.

How successful would an operation be in the US with a name like Eastern, Pan American, National, People Express, and so on? Why have airlines moved away from that and created the likes of Jet Blue, Frontier, Virgin? I know that some of the carriers I mentioned exist in some capacity, but they are not nearly as successful as they could be, or as the other ones have been.

AeroPeru was a government run airline for most of its existence. It was renowned as being inefficient, corrupt, and having a poor maintenance record. The stories of stranded passengers and poor quality of service are well known to peruvians. Besides that, the name is actually in English, if you think about it. While most people won't care, some will resent having an airline that represents Peru to be named in a language other than Spanish. But that's not an important point. I think that trying to "revive" a name is a mistake. That's my opinion.

FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4990 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 20):
But I guess native peruvians will associate the name with bad service or something ??

YEP!! And as FLY2LIM stated, it just brings back memories of "retarded" management. Peru doesn't have a FLAG CARRIER (wholly owned and run by Peruvians). AeroCondor comes close, but they are too small (no international destinations on their website)...........and yes, they did plan on flying to Miami (757 I believe), nothing ever happened. Market just isn't there. LAN PERU is the only large "carrier" that can SOMEWHAT state they are a flag carrier, but they are Chilean. Great service though ! STAT PERU is owned by a foreigner (from what I understand is doing very well....... but again, isn't wholly Peruvian).

To sum up, the Peruvian people are already "flooded" with carrier choices to fly out of the country:

AMERICAN
TACA
COPA
CONTINENTAL
DELTA
LAN
GOL (still?)
KLM
IBERIA
SPIRIT
AERO MEXICO
AIR CANADA
AEROLINEAS ARGENTINA
AVIANCA

I could be missing an airline or two, but where is there room for another???


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1185 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4926 times:



Quoting A300 American (Reply 22):
YEP!! And as FLY2LIM stated, it just brings back memories of "retarded" management. Peru doesn't have a FLAG CARRIER (wholly owned and run by Peruvians). AeroCondor comes close, but they are too small (no international destinations on their website)...........and yes, they did plan on flying to Miami (757 I believe), nothing ever happened. Market just isn't there. LAN PERU is the only large "carrier" that can SOMEWHAT state they are a flag carrier, but they are Chilean. Great service though ! STAT PERU is owned by a foreigner (from what I understand is doing very well....... but again, isn't wholly Peruvian).

To sum up, the Peruvian people are already "flooded" with carrier choices to fly out of the country:

AMERICAN
TACA
COPA
CONTINENTAL
DELTA
LAN
GOL (still?)
KLM
IBERIA
SPIRIT
AERO MEXICO
AIR CANADA
AEROLINEAS ARGENTINA
AVIANCA

I could be missing an airline or two, but where is there room for another???

A couple of points. First, Star Peru doesn't even fly international, if I'm not mistaken. As far as there being room for another, I have a wild dream of seeing EK fly from DBX via either Brasil or Argentina through to LIM. That would be cool.

FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4905 times:

EMIRATES?? Apart from the mines in the mountains (raw material), why would they even come to LIM? I think the chances of AA getting A330s is more likely than EK coming to LIM. BUT yeah, that would be something to see. Should an interest in South America come to EK, it would be for business and I think Santiago would stand a better chance of seeing en EK plane.

25 SKY1 : This is out of topic, but I think EK is going to keep the GRU route and they will wait & see. Maybe they want to make GRU its particular South Americ
26 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Based on the discussion attached below, they will drop G3 LIM-GRU. G3 LIM-SCL-EZE-GRU will continue up in service. However, these schedules are still
27 FLY2LIM : I said WILD DREAM, and maybe they could start marketing the beauty and culture of Peru to the people of the UAE. No, this would mess up my wild dream
28 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Ok so it can't even have the name Peru? I find that rather strange and kinda exaggerated... and Air Peru, that's in english As an aviation enthusiast
29 Orion737 : I failt to see how AeroGal could not make Miami with room to spare. Braathens sued to make Oslo to the Canaries non-stop!
30 A300 American : While I would LOVE to see many more carriers in LIM, I just don't see it happening. What would be increible to see is A380 come in from Europe. Who k
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