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SQ A380 Rotation To LHR  
User currently offlineKubik From Croatia, joined Apr 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 14238 times:

Hi all,

just want to ask it it is known if SQ will be rotatiting all 3 A380 on its sheduled trips to LHR.

Kubik

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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 14243 times:

From what I understand yes - but that's only information that I have got from on here so take it with a health warning.

On a similar subject has MSN006 been spotted back at TLS yet as it's due for delivery in about 2 weeks time?


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3083 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 14148 times:

yes, the flight coming from LHR to SIN, will land shortly after the A380 LHR flight is due to depart, so it cannot be done on a 2 aircraft rotation, the flight will continue to SYD and return well in time for the LHR departure. This is the only way they can have daily flights with only 3 aircraft.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 14116 times:
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Schedules confirmed!!!

SQ-322 SIN-LHR 23:30 05:55+1 380 From March 18, 2008
SQ-317 LHR-SIN 11:55 07:45+1 380 From March 18, 2008

Regards,

Gerard

[Edited 2008-02-11 06:11:37]


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User currently offlineSeansasLCY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 890 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13867 times:



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 3):
Schedules confirmed!!!

SQ-322 SIN-LHR 23:30 05:55+1 380 From March 18, 2008
SQ-317 LHR-SIN 11:55 07:45+1 380 From March 18, 2008

Those schedules start from March 19, 2008 on March 18 the flight is different:


SQ 319 London

(LHR - Heathrow) 18:55 (18 Mar)

Singapore (SIN - Changi Intl) 15:35 (19 Mar) Nonstop (A380)


User currently offlineFinkenwerder From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13814 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
On a similar subject has MSN006 been spotted back at TLS yet as it's due for delivery in about 2 weeks time?

Still here....


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13815 times:

This is how i believe it will work:
at some random moment in time...
SKA is en route from SIN to LHR
SKB is en route from LHR to SIN
SKC is somewhere between SIN and SYD

for the rotation, it will probably be two rotating between SIN and LHR, and one going back and forth between Sydney and Singapore
two are needed for a daily service to LHR since the route is too long obviously for one to make 2 visits within 48hours
and the third is to establish the link from Sydney to LHR, i believe this is why the are waiting for their third A380 to start the LHR daily service

please correct if i am wrong, but i believe this makes sense

btw, are both A380s operational? are they switching between them on the Sydney service or is it now twice daily on an A380? i remember reading that SKA was taking a break when SKB was brought into service...



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12806 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13787 times:
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Is there still a restriction on which runway an A380 can use at LHR? I believe when the A380 visited last year that it had to land on 27L (while normal landings were operating on 27R).

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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13571 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
Is there still a restriction on which runway an A380 can use at LHR? I believe when the A380 visited last year that it had to land on 27L (while normal landings were operating on 27R).

Is there a significant technical difference between the two runways? Or maybe they did it that way so more people could watch the A380s first landing at LHR? Or 27L is closer to the A380 dedicated gates? I don't know, just asking...

If there was a technical reason, it will likely land on 27L again unless some changes were made to the runway i suppose...



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13504 times:



Quoting Finkenwerder (Reply 5):
Still here....

Thanks, do you know what sort of shape she's in - ie does she look likely to be ready for delivery as expected?


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12806 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13478 times:
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Quoting Ramzi (Reply 8):
Is there a significant technical difference between the two runways?

I think, at the time of its first visit, only 27L/09R had the A380 modifications completed.

Quoting Ramzi (Reply 8):
Or maybe they did it that way so more people could watch the A380s first landing at LHR?

This would not even be considered by the BAA. no 

Quoting Ramzi (Reply 8):
Or 27L is closer to the A380 dedicated gates?

It is for the T3 gates, which is where I imagine SQ will park. Both runways are about the same distance from T5. In normal operations, closeness of the gates to the landing runway is not a consideraiton.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13359 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
Is there still a restriction on which runway an A380 can use at LHR? I believe when the A380 visited last year that it had to land on 27L (while normal landings were operating on 27R).

I would like to think that the A380 can land on either of the runways without any restrictions and that all work has been completed. But of course this is BAA we are talking about here, so anything is possible!


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13285 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
Quoting Ramzi (Reply 8):
Or maybe they did it that way so more people could watch the A380s first landing at LHR?

This would not even be considered by the BAA. no

Didn't no much about BA i admit...

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
closeness of the gates to the landing runway is not a consideraiton.

I know, I was just thinking of any possibilities...

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 11):
I would like to think that the A380 can land on either of the runways without any restrictions and that all work has been completed. But of course this is BAA we are talking about here, so anything is possible!

I guess that should answer your question then  Wink



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13206 times:

Quoting Ramzi (Reply 8):
Is there a significant technical difference between the two runways?

Yes one has
27
L
in big white letters painted on it and some skid marks in the grass near the runway, and the other has
27
R


What I think they will do is use the takeoff runway for landing the A380 so there should be no interruption to the arrivals or departures.

[Edited 2008-02-11 09:28:50]


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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13168 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
Yes one has
27
L
big white letters painted on it, and the other has
27
R

i actually meant differences in the structures... obviously they wouldn't prefer one over the other for the A380 if the only difference was and L as opposed to an R  Wink

Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
What I think they will do is use the takeoff runway for landing the A380 so there should be no interruption to the arrivals or departures.

Why so? The A380 *is* an arrival itself, and using the take-off runway would interrupt departures, woudln''t it? The A380 is a normal passenger aircraft when it arrives at Heathrow, if it should land on a runway not usually used for landing, it would be for technical reasons, ex: Not long enough, not wide enough.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13077 times:



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 14):
Why so? The A380 *is* an arrival itself, and using the take-off runway would interrupt departures, woudln''t it? The A380 is a normal passenger aircraft when it arrives at Heathrow, if it should land on a runway not usually used for landing, it would be for technical reasons, ex: Not long enough, not wide enough.

The A380 needs additional spacing behind it at the moment for landing under the interim wake turbulence recommendations, putting it on the arrival runway means no aircraft will be behind it, an it can touch down between departures as you can depart aircraft either side of the landing A380 without needing to wait.

Many airports do this for a variety at reasons, at HKG the departure runway is normally used for cargo and business jet arrivals.



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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12971 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 15):
The A380 needs additional spacing behind it at the moment for landing under the interim wake turbulence recommendations, putting it on the arrival runway means no aircraft will be behind it, an it can touch down between departures as you can depart aircraft either side of the landing A380 without needing to wait.

Never new that. Interesting. Then I guess that's probably the reason. Thanks for the info.  Smile



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12809 times:



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 8):
Or maybe they did it that way so more people could watch the A380s first landing at LHR? Or 27L is closer to the A380 dedicated gates? I don't know, just asking...

27L is closer, and the taxiway work on the south side had been completed at that time.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
This would not even be considered by the BAA.

Actually, it was considered. There's more room around Hatton Cross than around the 27R threshold. Police and safety barriers were deployed around the Hatton Cross area to maintain crowd control. There was no room for this on the perimeter road by the 27R threshold.

Quoting Ramzi (Reply 12):
Didn't no much about BA i admit...

BA = British Airways PLC.
BAA = BAA Limited (formerly known as 'BAA Plc' and before that, 'British Airports Authority'.) These folk own/manage the airport. They are owned by Grupo Ferrovial S.A., a Spanish real-estate, construction and infrastructure company.


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12750 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 17):
BA = British Airways PLC.
BAA = BAA Limited (formerly known as 'BAA Plc' and before that, 'British Airports Authority'.) These folk own/manage the airport. They are owned by Grupo Ferrovial S.A., a Spanish real-estate, construction and infrastructure company.

Didn't notice the last 'A'. Thanks for the info  Smile



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User currently offlineKubik From Croatia, joined Apr 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11888 times:



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 6):
This is how i believe it will work:
at some random moment in time...
SKA is en route from SIN to LHR
SKB is en route from LHR to SIN
SKC is somewhere between SIN and SYD



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 6):
for the rotation, it will probably be two rotating between SIN and LHR, and one going back and forth between Sydney and Singapore

If ths is the case does SQ know which birds will be sent on runs to LHR and which one will be sent to SYD?


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11613 times:



Quoting Kubik (Reply 19):
If ths is the case does SQ know which birds will be sent on runs to LHR and which one will be sent to SYD?

I honestly don't know. It could be SKA and SKC rotating to LHR since SKB is now doing Sydney and theres no reason to change that. Or maybe it will be a more complex rotation so that people flying SYD - LHR don't have to switch planes, in which case you will see a different A380 everyday. All the same, you'll know on day 3, if it's the same one that was there on day one, they're probably rotating two planes to LHR and one to SYD, if its a third, then all three are rotating all around.
Even if you don't go down there to spot, im sure there'll be many photos posted here  Smile
Sorry i can't help more than that...

Oh, and SQ definitely know, its us who dont  Wink



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11528 times:

I'm writing an essay so I'll be quick so hopefully this helps you guys in some way.

SQ221 departs SIN 2015, arrives SYD 0645 +1
SQ222 departs SYD 1655, arrives SIN 2150
SQ322 departs SIN 2320, arrives LHR 0525 +1
SQ317 departs LHR 1100, arrives SIN 0740 +1 and then rests.



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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11331 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 21):
I'm writing an essay so I'll be quick so hopefully this helps you guys in some way.

SQ221 departs SIN 2015, arrives SYD 0645 +1
SQ222 departs SYD 1655, arrives SIN 2150
SQ322 departs SIN 2320, arrives LHR 0525 +1
SQ317 departs LHR 1100, arrives SIN 0740 +1 and then rests.

Thanks, that helps.  Smile

Kubik, all three A380s will be rotating to LHR. There will be a different one there everyday, then on day four the pattern repeats.

In more detail: SKB will depart to SYD right before SKA reaches SIN from SYD. SKA will then continue to LHR and back. Right after SKA arrives, SKC will start its round. Once this whole routine is started, all three planes will be constantly busy at different points in the SIN-SYD-SIN-LHR-SIN route.



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User currently offlineJcf5002 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10532 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
Yes one has
27
L
in big white letters painted on it and some skid marks in the grass near the runway, and the other has
27
R

Wow... he went there...



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User currently offlineBOACVC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 618 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10360 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 21):
SQ221 departs SIN 2015, arrives SYD 0645 1
SQ222 departs SYD 1655, arrives SIN 2150
SQ322 departs SIN 2320, arrives LHR 0525 1
SQ317 departs LHR 1100, arrives SIN 0740 1 and then rests.

so, if I had to fly the kangaroo route, say (ex-USA, to LHR, then to SYD through SIN), could I "stay" on the same aircraft all the way ? Would continuing passengers be expected to disembark in SIN and then reboard once the aircraft is cleaned?

I do hope the seats are of good quality cloth, or have tough resistance to wear and tear of passengers on those long flights as they sleep and toss and turn.

What are the actual flight times in air on these routes ?

BOACVC10



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25 Singapore_Air : Yes, you would stay on the same aircraft SQ222->SQ322. Passengers would disembark as they would on any other non-direct flight while the aircraft is
26 JohnClipper : Yes, I noticed this last Friday at HKG - nice to have a dual arrivals on the 25s (saw Dragonair B744F and CX B777) land parallel.
27 CXfirst : you'll get off and all that, but you'll board the same plane, but it will be treated as a different flight. Just like any other flights, you will get
28 Kubik : Another question, does anyone know which of those 3 planes arrives as a first comercial service to LHR? Will it be 9V-SKA, 9-SKB or 9V-SKC? Kubik[Edit
29 Post contains images Ramzi : I believe only SQ know that. Any reason you want to know the exact one?
30 Kubik : Human curiosity and want to know what would be flying over my house that day. Kubik
31 02hilliert : As far as I was aware, A380 movements will continue to exclusively use 27L. The reason for this is that while both runways are capable of handling th
32 Scbriml : Is 27L now available for landings after BA038 went for a little drive over the grass?
33 02hilliert : yes it is, normal operations now at LHR i believe
34 Post contains images Ramzi : Go to LHR that day and see for yourself, I'll be waiting for you to tell me which one it was.
35 Post contains images Kubik : Ramzi, I sure will be out there watching this bird. Than I will tell you. Kubik
36 Rivet42 : ... no-one will know for sure until it has taken off. Hopefully somone in SIN will upate a.net, otherwise you can monitor the openATC website or one
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